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derekm

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I don't know why I bother....

I can't even read this guys stuff without getting infuriated.

How is it that he can spread such lies and deceit, and still look at himself in the mirror?

Every time I read something in the press from him, I feel sick.


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said by derekm See Profile :

I can't even read this guys stuff without getting infuriated.

How is it that he can spread such lies and deceit, and still look at himself in the mirror?

Every time I read something in the press from him, I feel sick.
Are you referring to Bibic or Karl?
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reply to derekm
Part of the problem is 'his' solution to congestion.
He assumes that Bell manages all the highways in Canada:

quote:
So what do you do? You build a couple of extra lanes for one, you expand the infrastructure. As well, you do things like have bus lanes that allow buses, taxis and cars with more than three passengers to travel on them so that they get faster service than if you choose to drive your Escalade and you're alone on the highway.
When you have companies like TekSavvy with their own highways, why should Bell dictate the flow of traffic on Teksavvy's users? Only because they're afraid of competition, and have to put spin on it. These 'bus lanes' as he puts it, are they defined as to who's busses they are? I.E. Bell Canada's busses only ?
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nasadude

join:2001-10-05
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reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by derekm See Profile :

I can't even read this guys stuff without getting infuriated.

How is it that he can spread such lies and deceit, and still look at himself in the mirror?

Every time I read something in the press from him, I feel sick.
Are you referring to Bibic or Karl?
if you think Karl is lying and deceitful, why are you here so much?

Do you envision yourself as keeping him "honest"?


MooJohn

join:2005-12-18
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reply to derekm
Mr. Bibic probably has a business management degree, which teaches that perception is more important than reality. He's been taught that he can do anything he wants as long as he puts a good face on it for the public.

How else can anyone claim that P2P is just "a high bandwidth use technology" while his platform is "content-distribution network technology"? Wow, his is plainly better now!

BTW, someone should tell him that there are many interstate highways that were once two lanes that now have 10-12 lanes in each direction.
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reply to nasadude
said by nasadude See Profile :

if you think Karl is lying and deceitful, why are you here so much?
In journalism, honesty and transparency can only be measured by the editor's neutrality, however forced it may be. DSLR is a great resource. That doesn't mean it can't be better. IMO, Karl stooped to the same blatant "spin" (and advocacy) as the Madeconian cab driver. It doesn't reflect well on what is a terrific site.

Mark


nasadude

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said by amigo_boy See Profile :

...IMO, Karl stooped to the same blatant "spin" (and advocacy) as the Madeconian cab driver. ...

Mark

maybe you can help me see the light and point out Karl's "blatant spin".

btw, spin and advocacy are somewhat different; advocacy puts forth an honest argument; spin tries to convince the listener that black is really white.


amigo_boy

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said by nasadude See Profile :

btw, spin and advocacy are somewhat different; advocacy puts forth an honest argument; spin tries to convince the listener that black is really white.
Baghdad Bob was an advocate for Saddam's government. Do you really see a difference?

I think DSLR readers are capable of forming their own conclusions. The fact that news has to be presented to with a [desired] conclusion is troubling. That always makes me question the conclusion. I guess it's even ironic coming from someone who considers themself a "question authority" type.

Mark


digitalfreak

join:2005-12-09
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said by amigo_boy See Profile :

said by nasadude See Profile :

btw, spin and advocacy are somewhat different; advocacy puts forth an honest argument; spin tries to convince the listener that black is really white.
Baghdad Bob was an advocate for Saddam's government. Do you really see a difference?

I think DSLR readers are capable of forming their own conclusions. The fact that news has to be presented to with a [desired] conclusion is troubling. That always makes me question the conclusion. I guess it's even ironic coming from someone who considers themself a "question authority" type.

Mark
Considering your pro-corporate, anti-consumer views, it's not surprising you're complaining about this.


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said by digitalfreak See Profile :

Considering your pro-corporate, anti-consumer views, it's not surprising you're complaining about this.
I "spun advocacy" for the low-use consumer. I guess it was the wrong consumer. (Human nature again? Don't gore my ox?).

I wouldn't say I'm pro corporate. In the case of ISPs who control infrastructure, I'd place them under regulation like public utilities. It seems pointless to apply free market terms to them (about not reinvesting in infrastructure, shareholders reaping too much reward, losing business as a result) when there's virtually no competition.

Mark

Mark

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join:2005-12-31
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reply to amigo_boy
said by amigo_boy See Profile :

IMO, Karl stooped to the same blatant "spin" (and advocacy) as the Madeconian cab driver. It doesn't reflect well on what is a terrific site.
IMO, Karl is what makes this a terrific site. Karl is probing issues and bringing up questions that just aren't covered anywhere else. And it's a great launchpad for all the back and forth in the followup posts.

There's plenty of outlets that don't invite critical thinking. And those outlets aren't nearly as thriving as this one.


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reply to amigo_boy
They are regulated (DSL and cable service is regulated so that it must be offered to wholesalers), which is why the case is before the CRTC.

There are three questions posed to the CRTC, really, far as I can tell:

1) Under the current regulations, is Bell allowed to throttle wholesalers?

2) Does Bell's use of DPI violate PIPEDA and other privacy laws?

3) Does Bell's behaviour violate anti-competition laws?

nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
reply to amigo_boy
I'm still waiting for the examples of Karl's "blatant spin".


derekm

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reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Are you referring to Bibic or Karl?
Even though your remark was tongue-in-cheek, and witty, it seems like people think that I actually meant Karl.

It is Bibic that makes me want to empty the contents of my stomach through my mouth/nose.
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