| What a moronic analogy what would have happened if Revision3 had "been an airport using BitTorrent to distribute approaches to the runaway?" What a moronic analogy. Like an airport approach control system would use bittorrent to manage a REALTIME process like landing airplanes. The CEO of Revision3 is REALLY reaching there to make his case.
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 kapilThe Kapil
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If airports are using bit torrent for a mission critical task, we have a whole other set of issues to deal with that have nothing to do with the RIAA.
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 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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kudos:4 | reply to fAcEtIOUs
Runway approaches can change as construction, etc is done. I highly doubt he meant it was for real-time landings. |
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Remember that BitTorrent is only used by people who are into collecting Linux ISOs. |
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1 edit | said by battleop:Remember that BitTorrent is only used by people who are into collecting Linux ISOs. Sure. Just like the only people who use their connection to download anything but the weather forecast are thieves. |
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by SilverSurfer1:said by battleop:Remember that BitTorrent is only used by people who are into collecting Linux ISOs. Sure. Just like the only people who use their connection to download anything but the weather forecast are thieves. Does that mean Media Defender will target this site next? |
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said by SilverSurfer1:said by battleop:Remember that BitTorrent is only used by people who are into collecting Linux ISOs. Sure. Just like the only people who use their connection to download anything but the weather forecast are thieves. In the world according to TK... |
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 paintrefTrainPlane Simulation Addict
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Houston, TX
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said by fAcEtIOUs:what would have happened if Revision3 had "been an airport using BitTorrent to distribute approaches to the runaway?" What a moronic analogy. Like an airport approach control system would use bittorrent to manage a REALTIME process like landing airplanes. The CEO of Revision3 is REALLY reaching there to make his case. What this means is, airport charts. Each airport has a set of whats known as SIDS and STARS (Basically, Departure and Arrival Procedures) which pilots follow using a chart (Example: »204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0805/05461BEAUMONT.PDF)
Most modern airliners however, come with an option called the Electronic flight bag (EFB) which essentially is part of the aircraft electronic systems, preloaded with charts that the pilots can call up as a reference while departing or landing at a given airport.
Actually, an airplane can land itself too...its called ILS (Instrument Landing System), its part of the autopilot system on an aircraft. Usually, ILS is used in poor visibility conditions, where the pilots cannot see the runway. |
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kudos:1 | reply to Matt
With Media Defender you just never know.Maybe they were part of the last DDOS against this site?Who knows.They seem to be able to do anything they want without regard for the law.A DDOS is illegal in the US.Why are they allowed to do it? |
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It's not about airports using bittorrent for a mission critical task. His point is that if you allow this type of vigilantism then sooner or later it will be a mission critical system.
Try this on for size: What if an airport/hospital/fire department/etc/etc had obtained their internet connectivity from the same provider as Revision3 and said provider went down due to this denial of service attack aimed at one of it's customers? It's not exactly hard to imagine smaller POPs/regional ISPs having a hard time coping with this type of attack.
Media Defender should consider that before they launch DoS attacks. The damage might extend quite a bit beyond their intended target and have consequences beyond anything they might have considered. |
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| said by Crookshanks:...Try this on for size: What if an airport/hospital/fire department/etc/etc had obtained their internet connectivity from the same provider as Revision3 and said provider went down due to this denial of service attack aimed at one of it's customers? It's not exactly hard to imagine smaller POPs/regional ISPs having a hard time coping with this type of attack. Bingo, the side effect of the side effect! |
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join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
kudos:5 | reply to paintref
said by paintref:said by fAcEtIOUs:what would have happened if Revision3 had "been an airport using BitTorrent to distribute approaches to the runaway?" What a moronic analogy. Like an airport approach control system would use bittorrent to manage a REALTIME process like landing airplanes. The CEO of Revision3 is REALLY reaching there to make his case. What this means is, airport charts. Each airport has a set of whats known as SIDS and STARS (Basically, Departure and Arrival Procedures) which pilots follow using a chart (Example: » 204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0805/05461BEAUMONT.PDF) Most modern airliners however, come with an option called the Electronic flight bag (EFB) which essentially is part of the aircraft electronic systems, preloaded with charts that the pilots can call up as a reference while departing or landing at a given airport. Actually, an airplane can land itself too...its called ILS (Instrument Landing System), its part of the autopilot system on an aircraft. Usually, ILS is used in poor visibility conditions, where the pilots cannot see the runway. While I don't usually think the same way as TK, I do have to question anyone thinking of using the internet for mission-critical data, and airports, nuclear power plants, military planning and execution, and things like that fall into the same category. There must be massive redundancy and security built into such systems.
For point of reference, ILS will bring an aircraft down to a decision point, at which, if the pilot still cannot land visually, he executes a missed approach and either tries again, or finds some other place to land.
I don't think there's any flight system that will bring you to a wheels down landing unless there's no alternative (like a shuttle landing). Certainly not one used where there are civilian passengers. |
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kapilThe Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | reply to Crookshanks
I think my record of being a bleeding heart liberal and defender of all progressive causes is quite clear on this site.
However, if we're going to ostracize "them" for going off the deep end we sure the hell should make sure that we're not doing the same.
This yes/no, all/nothing, white/black thinking is killing this country!
I'm not going to defend the actions of Media Defender or RIAA as they are pretty indefensible. However, there's something to be said about crying wolf/Godwin'ing at every opportunity.
Claiming that the setback suffered by Revision3 is somehow similar to anything have to do with planes or airports is dishonest...and a bit of a stretch.
Hyperbole is a spice best used sparingly. Outright lying by trying to connect two rather disjointed scenarios lessens our credibility...and the next time "they" want to berate us for creating a storm where there isn't one about net neutrality, copyright reform etc., we will have one less leg to stand on.
If a hospital or any other business is running a mission critical network and doesn't have redundant routes to the interweb, those in charge of the said network should be fired immediately. What fool would run a critical service without having redundancy and disaster recovery plans in place?
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paintrefTrainPlane Simulation Addict
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Houston, TX
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said by birdfeedr:For point of reference, ILS will bring an aircraft down to a decision point, at which, if the pilot still cannot land visually, he executes a missed approach and either tries again, or finds some other place to land. I don't think there's any flight system that will bring you to a wheels down landing unless there's no alternative (like a shuttle landing). Certainly not one used where there are civilian passengers. There is such a thing as autoland on an aircraft.
"In aviation, autoland describes a system that fully automates the landing phase of an aircraft's flight, with the human crew merely supervising the process.
Autoland systems were designed to make landing possible in visibility too poor to permit any form of visual landing, although they can be used at any level of visibility. They are usually used when visibility is less than 600 metres RVR and/or in adverse weather conditions, although limitations do apply for most aircraft for example, for a B747-400 the limitations are a maximum headwind of 25 kts, a maximum tailwind of 10 kts, a maximum crosswind component of 25 kts, and a maximum crosswind with one engine inoperative of five knots. They may also include automatic braking to a full stop once the aircraft is on the ground, in conjunction with the autobrake system, and sometimes auto deployment of spoilers and thrust reversers."
Taken from: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoland
Please note that I am not a pilot, I am just an aviation enthusiast that enjoys learning about various aspects of aviation. |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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said by battleop:Remember that BitTorrent is only used by people who are into collecting Linux ISOs. *snicker*
My nominee for post of the week. |
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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | said by jester121:said by battleop:Remember that BitTorrent is only used by people who are into collecting Linux ISOs. *snicker* My nominee for post of the week. Likewise!
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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said by kapil:Oh Lawd! Could it be that you and I agree on something? If airports are using bit torrent for a mission critical task, we have a whole other set of issues to deal with that have nothing to do with the RIAA. Yes, that was a reach statement if I ever heard one! NO system in any airport would ever base its functionality on Bit Torrent, thats just absurd. I understand the guy is pissed, but saying things like that will only hurt him in the long run.
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birdfeedrPremium,MVM
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Warwick, RI
kudos:5 | reply to paintref
You learn something new if you pay attention. Cat 3 installation is not so common, but they do exist.
I've bookmarked the page to begin my exploration later. I was intimately familiar with ILS in the early 70s. Hey, what do you know, they don't run on tubes any more.  |
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What a moronic response! I wonder what you would think if someone pointed a 9gig pipe in your direction....
I am sure it would be something like "Oh No, somebody is picking on me....MAKE IT STOP."
Again TK, you miss the boat on this one.
Anytime someone breathes the word Torrent, you are on their ass.
One of these days somebody is gonna bust your balls. |
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| said by slimpickinz:I wonder what you would think if someone pointed a 9gig pipe in your direction.... I am sure it would be something like "Oh No, somebody is picking on me....MAKE IT STOP." Again TK, you miss the boat on this one. Anytime someone breathes the word Torrent, you are on their ass. One of these days somebody is gonna bust your balls. But it isn't going to be you, is it?
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