dentman42
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Re: they aren't going after the legal stuff
said by espaeth  :said by maartena :But you should also look at the bigger picture. These days, an average American family has 2 to 3 PC's, sometimes even more. According to Census bureau in August 2000 only 51% of US households had one or more computers, and only 41% of households had Internet access. Granted it's been 8 years, but do you think the other half of the country went out and bought not just 1, but multiple computers *AND* high speed Internet in the last 8 years? Source: » www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/p23-207.pdf Bought? Not necesarilly. Some did, prices have come way down since 2000. But what do you think has happened to all of the computers that have been replaced during that time? Many have been given to friends or relatives who didn't have a computer. I know plenty of people on welfare that have 3 or 4 computers (including laptops) and broadband internet. (And we'll leave the issue of whether welfare should pay for brodband for another topic). And in most cases, those 3 or 4 computers are all better than what I had in 2000 (after all, a 1 GHz machine is pretty well considered obsolete now, but was the top end in 2000). |
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Matt
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said by espaeth :said by Matt :I personally know 4 households that did. Mine went from 1 to 3, so yes. Again, I'm not saying things aren't improving, but we're not to a household average of 1+ computers yet in the US. Heck, according to a study done this year about 20% of US head of households have never sent an email. Source: » newsroom.parksassociates.com/art···_id=5067 What does 20% of households never sending an email have to do with whether the average number of households with more than 1 computer has increased? |
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espaeth
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said by Matt :I personally know 4 households that did. Mine went from 1 to 3, so yes. Again, I'm not saying things aren't improving, but we're not to a household average of 1+ computers yet in the US. Heck, according to a study done this year about 20% of US head of households have never sent an email.
Source: »newsroom.parksassociates.com/art···_id=5067 |
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said by espaeth :said by Matt :Actually, yes. Dell, HP, IBM, Lenovo and Apple have all reported record growth and minus the past couple years, record sales. Many of those sales were to both business and personal customers that already had a computer to begin with. You don't honestly believe we went from an average of 0.5 computers per household to 2+ computers per household in 7 years, do you? I personally know 4 households that did. Mine went from 1 to 3, so yes. |
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espaeth
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said by Matt :Actually, yes. Dell, HP, IBM, Lenovo and Apple have all reported record growth and minus the past couple years, record sales. Many of those sales were to both business and personal customers that already had a computer to begin with. You don't honestly believe we went from an average of 0.5 computers per household to 2+ computers per household in 7 years, do you? |
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espaeth
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said by NOCMan :Once they drive out the competition we'll all get what they want us to have. AOL all over again. What? When did AOL *ever* take over the Internet? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to nasadude
Or continue your Netflix delivery via the USPS. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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said by TKJunkMail :Yes it would. You would just have to pay more for the content is all. EXACTLY!
let me see...download the netflix movie...wait, crap I'm close to the cap.
...may as well get it from TW on pay-per-view. |
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Matt
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said by espaeth :said by maartena :But you should also look at the bigger picture. These days, an average American family has 2 to 3 PC's, sometimes even more. According to Census bureau in August 2000 only 51% of US households had one or more computers, and only 41% of households had Internet access. Granted it's been 8 years, but do you think the other half of the country went out and bought not just 1, but multiple computers *AND* high speed Internet in the last 8 years? (In an economy that has been struggling with the costs of a war and lackluster economic growth) Source: » www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/p23-207.pdf Actually, yes. Dell, HP, IBM, Lenovo and Apple have all reported record growth and minus the past couple years, record sales. |
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said by maartena :But you should also look at the bigger picture. These days, an average American family has 2 to 3 PC's, sometimes even more. According to Census bureau in August 2000 only 51% of US households had one or more computers, and only 41% of households had Internet access. Granted it's been 8 years, but do you think the other half of the country went out and bought not just 1, but multiple computers *AND* high speed Internet in the last 8 years? (In an economy that has been struggling with the costs of a war and lackluster economic growth)
Source: »www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/p23-207.pdf |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | reply to odog
In the future 20 AVERAGE houses are going to demand more bandwidth than the entire internet does today. This is a cash grab fueled by IGNORANCE. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
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said by odog :by a large for every appleTV user or Hulu user.... you've probably got 100+ hardcore BT users eating 100+GB per month. MLB.TV allows you to watch basbeall games live on your comuter. If you use their highest settings( and why wouldn't I on a 15 Mbps conenction ) they stream at 1.4 Mbps. The average MLB team plays 26 games a month. If you watch all 26 games that 48 GB a month. This is LEGITIMATE use. And I'm paying $120 for this. Why should I have to pay more? |
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said by odog :by a large for every appleTV user or Hulu user.... you've probably got 100+ hardcore BT users eating 100+GB per month. What I find ironic is that ISPs have been putting up with bandwidth-hostile P2P applications that are predominantly used for piracy for almost a decade now. When Napster first came out, I thought for sure that all those PCs maxing out their upload around the clock would surely prompt ISPs to start charging by the byte to put a stop to it. Didn't happen.
Now, that we're finally getting reasonable, legal repalcements for those activities (DRM-free music and legal online video rental), they're cracking down on bandwidth usage.
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Re: they aren't going after the legal stuff..NO they aren't
If the primary purpose is to limit competition for video content it will be time to split the pipe from the content providers.
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maartena
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Re: they aren't going after the legal stuff
said by odog :by a large for every appleTV user or Hulu user.... you've probably got 100+ hardcore BT users eating 100+GB per month. You're right on that. But you should also look at the bigger picture. These days, an average American family has 2 to 3 PC's, sometimes even more. With the way the web has been developing over the last few years with online gaming, youtubing, iTunes, and newer services such as the Netflix download service so that you can download you movies instead of waiting for them by mail.... and the fact that simple OS updates are getting bigger and bigger, not only on Windows. The amounts of data that an average family transfers, without even touching on the more shady side of internet, is ever increasing, and with the TV networks now placing full episodes online on their websites, HDTV finally breaking through, 12 Megapixel DSLR camera's (6 Mb per picture) becoming more affordable, VOIP services getting more popular, I don't see only an upwards curve in the amount of LEGAL data we transmit.
Add to that IT professionals such as myself. Last week alone I downloaded three Linux distros on DVD because I wanted to decide which would be best on my laptop. That is 12+ GB right there, and since I used torrents because they are often much faster, I also upload, so say 15 Gb of traffic. Then I downloaded Exchange Server 2007 SP1 from my MSDN subscription, a 5.5 Gb download. I also downloaded OS disks for Server 2008, another 3 Gb right there. Just in 1 week time, because I want to do some testing (I plan to bring online my first Exchange 2007 server, until now I have only done 2003's and I needed to test it first before I order the production software for my client), I have transmitted 25+ Gb of data.
And the rest of this month? Well, OpenSUSE 11 is about to be released, that's 4 Gb right there. But I think I also want the x64 edition, so make that 8 Gb. Oh, and to save everyone's bandwidth I always use torrents on Linux distros, so say 10 Gb because of uploading.
And that's just business, I haven't even started on pleasure yet.....
And did I mention I often have a Dutch TV station streaming into my office?
Time Warner Cable is wanting to cap at 40 Gb. I think that is total bull and that many, many users using 2008's internet will surpass that without a sweat and doing anything illegal.... 100 Gb would be more realistic. |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
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said by NOCMan :Once they drive out the competition we'll all get what they want us to have. AOL all over again. +4 - Exactly. AOhell all over again and a zillion IPs on the Net with the same content of TV programming. |
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Phil
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Camarillo, CA | reply to TKJunkMail
Having to pay more is financial limitation, not a freedom in this sense. No bargain. |
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NOCMan
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Flower Mound, TX | reply to TKJunkMail
What would be the point? Just buy it from the cable company. No need for pesky companies like Netflix.
Once they drive out the competition we'll all get what they want us to have. AOL all over again. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by Phil :Only because these technologies are just emerging and with limited scope. As I've said elsewhere, if Netflix made their entire movie library available online I would stream ALL my movies versus getting the physical DVD via snail-mail. Time Warner's caps would not allow me this freedom. Yes it would. You would just have to pay more for the content is all.
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said by odog :by a large for every appleTV user or Hulu user.... you've probably got 100+ hardcore BT users eating 100+GB per month. You aren't drinking the koolaid. Don't you know that 99% of bittorrent users are only downloading legal content like Linux distros and game patches. 
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