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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1394292"><b>stevech0</b></A> : IP throughput (your useful speed) is abouty 60-70% of the raw wireless bit rate, e.g., the best 11g can do is about 24Mbps.<br><br>11n speed depends on how compatible vendor A and B are if you have mixed vendors in the access point/router and clients, if there are any non-11n clients slowing things, if your hardware and interference condition can permit channel-pair-bonding, and many other factors. It will vary day to day.<br><br>Of course, we all know that speeds well beyond what your Cable Modem or DSL or other means your ISP uses are not important- except for inter-PC data on the LAN. Windows file shares are hard to run at very high speeds due to overhead in windows.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Using a Dell Inspriron laptop, Windows XP, and a Trendnet TEW-664UB USB adaptor on my upper floor and a Trendnet 11n wireless router on my first floor I am seeing Physical Layer Speeds of 270.0 Mbps since I reconfigured my router. <br>I know it is advertised as 300Mbps but I just haven't tweaked that high of speed out of it. <br>It is noticeably faster than my 11g Linksys router (which only showed 54Mbps). <br>Should YOU buy an 11n router? Only if you want higher speeds on your remote device. For under $100.00 you can more than double your speed. I have had this on 24/7 for over 1 week with no loss of 100% signal. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : This charts shows you..<br><br> <IMG SRC="http://pic19.picturetrail.com/VOL1099/4465559/21344768/361480637.jpg"> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1394292"><b>stevech0</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by watchin :</small><br><br>My throughput speed on my laptop is more than doubled (but not 300mbps, only 130mbps). <br> </div>Throughput or wireless connection speed? Quite different.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I just installed a 11n router (TRENDnet) and a TRENDnet adaptor for my laptop. The router cost $27 and the USB adaptor $49. The router is a dual antenna and replaced my Linksys G only router (the TRENDnet is g and n). My throughput speed on my laptop is more than doubled (but not 300mbps, only 130mbps). I know, this is brand new stuff, not New Old Stock or anything. I am using Windows Vista on my main computer which is wired to Comcast cable. Laptop uses XP. It has been stable for several days. The Linksys was stable at 54mbps 24/7 for over 4 years. I am keeping it for a backup. <br>I did try a Dlink 11n router and it would not stay connected. It went back. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : Saw today's Dilbert and thought it was appropriate for this thread.<br><br><br>[att=1]<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/22964757?c=1465069&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDYwMDIwMy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="49389 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=186 SRC="/r0/download/1465069.thumb600~b1278267b6c8856820d9cb6b65d6a67a/dilbert_standards.gif/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : No.<br><br>Esp. don't buy a Netgear WRN2000 because it simply doesn't work.<br><br> I spent days loading wireless drivers and even re-loaded ubuntu... (based on other people's apparent issues)  but to my horror, but not surprise, I have found that my laptop connects at every wireless hotspot and today I connected to a wireless g router without issues.  So it seems I have wasted my money and I cannot get any support from netgear.<br><br>So much for wireless N being backwards compatible...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:44:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : I use both 5.8GHz and DECT 6.0 (1.9GHz) with a N network DECT 6.0 phones seems to work better. A lot of the 5.8GHz are really 2.4GHz even though they claim to be 5.8GHz and some brands go even cheaper and make the 5.8GHz a dual band but not with 2.4GHz and actually 900MHz. You should check the specs or contact the DECT 6.0 phone maker before you shell out money for such a phone.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/823990"><b>PGHammer</b></A> : An additional datapoint:<br><br>I directly replaced my WRT54GS with a WRT310N (there are no N devices on the network), keeping the same security settings and passphrase (different SSID, however).  The same devices connect without issues.  It is for precisely this reason why (barring other issues, such as cross-compatibility) I'd find it incredible to believe that G would work where N (even draft-N) would not.<br><br>The router in question is not a new WRT310N, but a WRT310N that was surplused by a family member I had done some network jobs for when their ISP (VZ) replaced their wired-only DSL router with a wireless-G router.  (The only wireless devices are wireless-N; however, I foresee no issues for the same reason the N router will have no issues with G  devices; backward compatibility.)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:08:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : I only found one manual for a GE DECT and it specifies the 1.9GHz band. <br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvears.com%2Fpdf%2F27907-GE-Manual.pdf&ei=EGeQSp7DO4j-M8n8nbAK&rct=j&q=ge+dect+6.0+phone+manual&usg=AFQjCNFrJzdUtSP7TPe87LXz_ZhLw_yj_Q" >www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w&middot;&middot;&middot;hLw_yj_Q</A><br><br>All of the other online references to GE DECT I looked at (about 10) list DECT 6.0 as the operating frequency.  Again, 1.9G.<br><br>Not trying to pick a fight, just making sure we're all on the same page so someone looking for a phone isn't steered in the wrong direction.  If you want something with no chance of interference, buy an old 900MHz (hard to find any more) or DECT 6.0.  Others can be a problem.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:53:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/823990"><b>PGHammer</b></A> : From the documentation, GE's DECT phone system operates in the 5.8 GHz band (and it's a residential, not business, DECT system aimed expressly at US homes).<br><br>However, the same issue would still occur with traditional 5.8 GHz devices if you have too many on the same channel  (that is why it makes sense to avoid channel 6 with 2.4 GHz N or G, entirely because it's a default setting, and thus often used).]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:41:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/995338"><b>mozerd</b></A> : The original DECT frequency band (1880 MHz&#150;1900 MHz) is used in all countries in Europe. Outside Europe, it is used in most of Asia, Australia and South America<br><br>In the United States, the Federal Communications Commission in 2005 changed channelization and licensing costs in a nearby band (1920 MHz&#150;1930 MHz, or 1.9 GHz), known as Unlicensed Personal Communications Services (UPCS), allowing DECT devices to be sold in the U.S. with only minimal changes. These channels are reserved exclusively for voice communication applications and therefore are less likely to experience interference from other wireless devices such as baby monitors and wireless networks.<br><br>The above is taken from the following link:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Enhanced_Cordless_Telecommunications" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_En&middot;&middot;&middot;ications</A><br><small>--<br>David Mozer<br><A HREF="http://expertoncall.us"> IT-Expert on Call </a><br> Information Technology for Home and Business</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:11:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  PGHammer <A HREF="/useremail/u/823990"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>1.  Are there a lot of DECT cordless phones in the area?  (Most newer DECT phones use the same 5 GHz band that high-band N devices use; the older DECT phones, and most cordless *standard* phones, share the 2.4 GHz band with N and wireless-G.)<br><br>From what the poster with the range-gate issues with N was commenting on, the first (DECT phones and lots of them) is more likely (since his issue was with dual-band N, which was created to avoid a similar issue with older cordless/DECT phone systems in the 2.4 GHz band that is shared with these devices and wireless-G).<br> </div>Not true.<br><br>DECT phones will not interfer with A,B, G or N.  They operate entirely outside of either the 2.4GHz or 5.8GHz bands.<br><br>Cordless phones in the US can operate at 900MHz, 2.4GHz or 5.8GHz, but none are DECT.  <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Enhanced_Cordless_Telecommunications" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_En&middot;&middot;&middot;ications</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.tech-faq.com/cordless-phone-frequencies.shtml" >www.tech-faq.com/cordless-phone-&middot;&middot;&middot;es.shtml</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:20:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/823990"><b>PGHammer</b></A> : If G works where N (especially dual-band N) does not, then there is something decidedly unusual about the area you are in.<br><br>1.  Are there a lot of DECT cordless phones in the area?  (Most newer DECT phones use the same 5 GHz band that high-band N devices use; the older DECT phones, and most cordless *standard* phones, share the 2.4 GHz band with N and wireless-G.)<br><br>2.  How many other wireless-N networks are there within range?  (Multiple N networks operating on the same channel, even with encryption, are going to have crosstalk issues; the same issue applies to G, of course.)<br><br>From what the poster with the range-gate issues with N was commenting on, the first (DECT phones and lots of them) is more likely (since his issue was with dual-band N, which was created to avoid a similar issue with older cordless/DECT phone systems in the 2.4 GHz band that is shared with these devices and wireless-G).]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:08:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/823990"><b>PGHammer</b></A> : If you do local streaming (printing, video, or have NAS), you'd change your tune quickly.  Heck, even simple file-sharing (depending on the file size and type) is a good reason for N.  However, if you are going to deploy N (even draft-N), tther are several things that SHOULD (even MUST) be done.<br><br>1.  Wireless devices - upgrade as many to N as possible (preferably all).  A network is typically only as fast as the slowest connection, and the slowest connections on any N network will be wireless.  However, that connection should be no worse than single-band N, not G, and certainly not B!<br><br>2.  Wired connections - upgrade as many to gigabit as possible; if not possible, upgrade them to wireless-N.  The reasoning is the same as above (the network is only as fast as the slowest connection).<br><br>3.  Any wireless-N router should be, at minimum, dual-band simultaneous (MIMO-N) and have gigabit WAN *and* LAN ports.  USB-based NAS at the router is needed if you have two or fewer wired gigabit devices connected to it; however, it usually isn't if you have three or four.  (Any PC will have more USB ports available, even without external hubs, than USB at the router.  At-the-PC connections also allows the option of external SATA (eSATA) which is far faster than USB for NAS.)<br><br>4.  Last, and far from least; remember the raison d'etre for N.  Wireless-N (compared to wireless-G or any other LAN standard) is all about connection speed *within the LAN*.  Wireless-N (in fact, no LAN standard) can't do anything about external bottlenecks (so not even wired gigabit can ameliorate a server-side bandwidth crunch).<br><br>Recommended residential N router - Linksys by Cisco WRT610N.<br><br>Why this router - First off, it meets alll the requirements I laid down (all wired ports are gigabit, supports MIMO-N); second, it's easy to set up (as are most Linksys routers; I've set up the little-brother WRT160N, which has for some reason given a lot of reviewers pain, and I found it easier than setting up my personal WRT54GS, which I've had for four years); lastly, it's relatively inexpensive (even at full retail, it's almost never $200).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/355864"><b>Mrtchuck</b></A> : Clone may or may not be true as there is a TEW-633GR v 1.1. Also I have both units and as the performance may be similar, the stability is not even close and to me diminishes the minor performance advantage of the DIR-655. I also appreciate the bridge mode (which Dlink dropped) along with my router rarely has to be rebooted. (Only when modem is unresponsive) Of the two units I would suggest the TEW-633GR also.  :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1663628"><b>payBack</b></A> : <div class="bquote">I suggest to buy a Trendnet TEW-633 N router. It has the best performance and stability under $80.<br> </div>As I understand, the TEW-633GR is just a DLink DIR-655 clone:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30308/96/1/6/" >www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/&middot;&middot;&middot;/96/1/6/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1440647"><b>slpip</b></A> : I suggest to buy a Trendnet TEW-633 N router.  It has the best performance and stability under $80.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1502125"><b>Millenniumle</b></A> : Looking for more range, N was worthless for me.  My G equipment I was looking to replace had better reception than the Linksys N equipment.  And I bought the latest and greatest, fancy Dual Band - Range Plus versions.  Both adaptor and router.  And what was their competition, you might ask?  A Road Runner provided Ambit wireless G, cable modem, combo unit.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  nwrickert <A HREF="/useremail/u/1070900"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>For me, there is no benefit.  Most of the traffic is to the internet, with little between LAN machines.  And the bottleneck for internet traffic is the ISP, not the local wireless.<br><br>There might be reasons to buy a router - actually, I did recently buy one.  But going "N" is not a reason, at least not for me.<br> </div>If going with N get a Gig Router do not go with 10/100...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1070900"><b>nwrickert</b></A> : For me, there is no benefit.  Most of the traffic is to the internet, with little between LAN machines.  And the bottleneck for internet traffic is the ISP, not the local wireless.<br><br>There might be reasons to buy a router - actually, I did recently buy one.  But going "N" is not a reason, at least not for me.<br><small>--<br>AT&T dsl; Speedstream 5100b modem; openSuSE 11.0; firefox 3.0.11</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1245628"><b>fonzbear2000</b></A> : Based on my experience of upgrading from G to N: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r22548159-Are-there-any-HIGHLY-rated-wireless-N-routers-for-under-50">Are there any HIGHLY rated wireless N routers for under $50?</A> YES! It is VERY MUCH worth it to upgrade!<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r22511483-Check-this-out!">Check this out!</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  mozerd <A HREF="/useremail/u/995338"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>       :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  tipstir <A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>N1 is really old hardware and that router isn't even a Gig Wireless Router nor that it had USB Storage Feature. I had looked at the internals but that's Intel IXP420 NPU still couple with Atheros 3T3R. How you think that would do more in 2,000 sq house it beyond me. Atheros WPU have been lousy.  <br> </div>I have a small number of <b>N1 Vision</b> systems out there in 3k+ SQ FT size homes doing very well. FYI, each of the <b>N1 Vision</b> version 2000 I have installed certainly do have 1GB WAN Port and 4 1GB LAN ports. USB storage feature is pure CRAP.<br>Next time check your facts before you expose your etc.<br><A HREF="http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=377018">NI Vision Specs</a><br>After landing on the page linked above click the Specs Tab and you will see <br>Ports  &#9;WAN-- 1 Gigabit Port LAN-- 4 Gigabit Ports <br> </div>Belkin N+<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.iteme.com/site/small_images/F5D8235_small.gif"> <br><br>NPU<br>RT2880F 266MHz <br><br>WPU<br>RT2820 2T3R<br><br>RAM 2x16 = 32MB <br>FLASH 8MB<br><br>Gig Switch (does support jumbo frames)<br>Realtek RTL8366SR  832Kbits SRAM Packet Buffer<br><br>USB Storage<br>NEC<br><br>I have check my facts there ..  N1 this one you have?<br><br>N1<br>N1 Vision<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.thg.ru/consumer/novogodnie_podarki_2007_2/images/belkin_n1_vision.jpg"> <br><br>NPU<br>Atheros AR7141 400MHz<br>RAM 16 MB <br>FLASH 8 MB <br><br>WPU<br>Atheros 2T3R design<br><br>GIG Ports<br>Vitesse 7385 (112KB Packet Buffer) <br><br>When you had said N1 this is the one..<br>  <IMG SRC="http://cache.gizmodo.com/images/2006/04/Rendering-N1-Router1.jpg"> <br><br>Outdated 10/100 with Intel NPU..<br><br>Anyway Belkin N+ USB storage isn't crap so you should get your facts on point there.  I have that and no issues with accessing the storage as network attached storage thus on USB.  Just \\ip of the router and that's it or in my case I use Suncross Network Drive Manager..<br><br>main screen<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.suncross.nl/ndm/screenshot01.jpg"> <br><br>configure screen<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.suncross.nl/ndm/screenshot02.jpg"> <br><br>option screen<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.suncross.nl/ndm/screenshot03.jpg"> <br><br>more about this one here<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.suncross.nl/ndm/" >www.suncross.nl/ndm/</A><br><br>Good way to monitor map drives on the network also lets you know when a system map drive is disconnected visually and tries to auto connect to the drive. Not free but you can try it out. Good more for wireless laptops though desktops. I use it on both anyway.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/995338"><b>mozerd</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  tipstir <A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>N1 is really old hardware and that router isn't even a Gig Wireless Router nor that it had USB Storage Feature. I had looked at the internals but that's Intel IXP420 NPU still couple with Atheros 3T3R. How you think that would do more in 2,000 sq house it beyond me. Atheros WPU have been lousy.  <br> </div>I have a small number of <b>N1 Vision</b> systems out there in 3k+ SQ FT size homes doing very well. FYI, each of the <b>N1 Vision</b> version 2000 I have installed certainly do have 1GB WAN Port and 4 1GB LAN ports. USB storage feature is pure CRAP.<br>Next time check your facts before you expose your etc.<br><A HREF="http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=377018">NI Vision Specs</a><br>After landing on the page linked above click the Specs Tab and you will see <br>Ports  &#9;WAN-- 1 Gigabit Port LAN-- 4 Gigabit Ports <br><small>--<br>David Mozer<br><A HREF="http://expertoncall.us"> IT-Expert on Call </a> <br>Information Technology for Home and Business</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : N1 is really old hardware and that router isn't even a Gig Wireless Router nor that it had USB Storage Feature. I had looked at the internals but that's Intel IXP420 NPU still couple with Atheros 3T3R. How you think that would do more in 2,000 sq house it beyond me. Atheros WPU have been lousy.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/995338"><b>mozerd</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by leona949 :</small> The Intell WiFi Link 5100 AGN is not compatiable with an "N" router because it's not an "N" Wireless Notebook Card?</div> The Intell WiFi Link 5100 AGN is supposed to be compatible with the "N" draft standard so it should work with "N" Routers but from my experience with this specific intel implementation it does not work well.<div class="bquote"><small>said by leona949 :</small> If I want to use the technology from an "N" router then I need to replace the Intel WiFi Link 5100 AGN with a matching "N" Wireless Notebook card to go with the Belkin N+?</div>Under Windows, in Device Manager you would disable the Intel WiFi Link 5100AGN. Now you need to make a decision based on whether you have a small home or a larger home.<br><div class="bquote"><small>said by leona949 :</small> If I walk into Fry's or Best Buy, what would I ask to buy?</div> If you have a small home [under 1,500 square feet] then you would buy the  Belkin N+ and the Belkin "N" Wireless Notebook Card. If you have a large home [2,000 or more square feet] then you would buy the Belkin N1 vision and the Belkin "N1" Wireless Notebook Card<br><div class="bquote"><small>said by leona949 :</small> Is this going to cost me $300+?</div> The N+ and N Notebook Card should cost you $200 or less. The N1 Vision and N1 Notebook Card should cost you $300 or less. <div class="bquote"><small>said by leona949 :</small> For the extra cost would I see a difference compare with what I currently have?</div>  Yes, if properly configured then you should see a significant difference.<br><small>--<br>David Mozer<br><A HREF="http://expertoncall.us"> IT-Expert on Call </a> <br>Information Technology for Home and Business</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:31:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : David, you are rediculous.  I read your post three times trying to understand your tech talk.  Here's my translation, please correct me if I'm wrong in SIMPLE English please.<br><br>The Intell WiFi Link 5100 AGN is not compatiable with an "N" router because it's not an "N" Wireless Notebook Card?  If I want to use the technology from an "N" router then I need to replace the Intel WiFi Link 5100 AGN with a matching "N" Wireless Notebook card to go with the Belkin N+?<br><br>If I walk into Fry's or Best Buy, what would I ask to buy?  Belkin N+ and "N" Wireless Notebook Card?  They would understand what I'm talking about? because I sure don't understand what I just wrote.  Is this going to cost me $300+?  For the extra cost would I see a difference compare with what I currently have?  What I have now is a "G" router with an Intell WiFi Link 5100 AGN wireless card in my HP HDX Q9000. <br><br>Thank you.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  mozerd <A HREF="/useremail/u/995338"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by leona949 :</small><br><br>I just bought an HP HDX18 Q9000 which has an Intel WiFi Link 5100 AGN. Would I see a difference if I buy an "N" router? How much of a difference? I do lots of files transfer and downloads, would "N" help?</div>IMO, the Intel WiFi Link 5100 AGN technology will not provide you with long term satisfaction -- so if your objective is [a]performance via greater bandwidth and speed [b] greater range and [c] superior interference handling THEN you need to <b>match</b> technologies being used at the Router and at your HP HDX18 Q9000.<br><br>If you want to take advantage of "N" today then look at <A HREF="http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=459640">the Belkin N+</a> and the matching <A HREF="http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=372032">N Wireless Notebook Card</a> [using <b>2 x 3</b> radios/antennas etc.] or the <A HREF="http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=377018">N1 Vision</a> and the matching <A HREF="http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=273544">N1 Wireless Notebook Card</a> [using <b>3 x 3</b>  radios/antennas etc] <br><br>The KEY phrase is <b>matching</b>. The 2 WiFi Routers and matching Network interfaces I mention above us MIMO technology from a CHIP makes called <b>Ralink</b>. The Ralink MIMO system being used by Belkin in the products I mentioned is decent [not great like Airgo now Qualcomm tech] . The N1 Vision and its <b>matching</b> N1 Wireless Notebook card work better in larger homes because the N1 Vision and its <b>matching</b> N1 Wireless Notebook Card use 3 x 3  radios/antennas etc.<br><br>IF you do NOT <b>match</b> the technologies being used your level of satisfaction with the products will be <b>far</b> less.<br> </div>Atheros N 2T2R and 3T3R MIMO chips are not as stable I have those devices also prior to the Ralink for N.  Marvel N 3T3R MIMO no good. Broadcom N 3T3R MIMO still not convinced, I have that too. I have no issues using Ralink N with Realtek 8190 2T2R adapters.<br><br>Everything has to work together and don't believe you need to buy matching adapters for G or N. I've use Buffalo G/N routers/ap with Belkin and Buffalo adapters they work. I use Buffalo/Belkin/Trendnet adapters with Belkin N+ and works great! None of these adapters have Atheros! Once you introduce Atheros Router/AP issues happen. Still Intel wi-fi works with  Belkin N + without issues. <br><br>I've tested pretty much everything. Again I am not impress with Atheros. ]]></description>
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<title>Re: Should I buy an &#x22;N&#x22; router?</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/995338"><b>mozerd</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by leona949 :</small><br><br>I just bought an HP HDX18 Q9000 which has an Intel WiFi Link 5100 AGN. Would I see a difference if I buy an "N" router? How much of a difference? I do lots of files transfer and downloads, would "N" help?</div>IMO, the Intel WiFi Link 5100 AGN technology will not provide you with long term satisfaction -- so if your objective is [a]performance via greater bandwidth and speed [b] greater range and [c] superior interference handling THEN you need to <b>match</b> technologies being used at the Router and at your HP HDX18 Q9000.<br><br>If you want to take advantage of "N" today then look at <A HREF="http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=459640">the Belkin N+</a> and the matching <A HREF="http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=372032">N Wireless Notebook Card</a> [using <b>2 x 3</b> radios/antennas etc.] or the <A HREF="http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=377018">N1 Vision</a> and the matching <A HREF="http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=273544">N1 Wireless Notebook Card</a> [using <b>3 x 3</b>  radios/antennas etc] <br><br>The KEY phrase is <b>matching</b>. The 2 WiFi Routers and matching Network interfaces I mention above us MIMO technology from a CHIP makes called <b>Ralink</b>. The Ralink MIMO system being used by Belkin in the products I mentioned is decent [not great like Airgo now Qualcomm tech] . The N1 Vision and its <b>matching</b> N1 Wireless Notebook card work better in larger homes because the N1 Vision and its <b>matching</b> N1 Wireless Notebook Card use 3 x 3  radios/antennas etc.<br><br>IF you do NOT <b>match</b> the technologies being used your level of satisfaction with the products will be <b>far</b> less.<br><small>--<br>David Mozer<br><A HREF="http://expertoncall.us"> IT-Expert on Call </a> <br>Information Technology for Home and Business</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : You guys are too technical for me to understand everything that was posted here.  From what I read, it sounds like N doubles G in term of speed if your system uses N? <br><br>I currently have a Netgear WGRg14v6 which I bought in November 2006. I just bought an HP HDX18 Q9000 which has an Intel WiFi Link 5100 AGN. Would I see a difference if I buy an "N" router? How much of a difference? I do lots of files transfer and downloads, would "N" help?  "G" is working for me now, but if I can get better speed, then I don't mind spending an additional $50.<br><br>For the non-tech and newbies, like myself, please reply in simple terms.<br><br>thank you all for taking the time to reply/post.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:21:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : Doesn't have to do 3T3R you can some now like the Belkin N+ Ralink RT2880F uses 2T3R MIMO method.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:45:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/995338"><b>mozerd</b></A> : You should buy "N" if the "N" system you buy incorporates 3 critical technologies.<br><br>Why? without these critical technologies your "N" system [be it a Router or AP or any combination of either] will not give you the performance that you may expect or want.<br><br>The critical technologies are:<br><br>[1] 3x3 MIMO --- 3 transmit | receive radios and 3 antennas [3 of each <u>minimum</u>]<br>[2] Spatial Multiplexing<br>[3] Incorporating ASIC routines that exploit multipath.<br><br>What makes MIMO very special is when [1] is combined with [2] and [3] <b>if</b> its done the right way. There are multiple forms of MIMO and each CHIP promoter has their own unique way of doing MIMO <b>regardless</b> of what you may have read about the standards group have set for 802.11n<br><br>Spatial multiplexing allows for the transmission of multiple distinct data stream's over multiple radios in the same band at the same time, effectively doubling [or tripling or more] data throughput. Think of it as sipping water through two [or more] straws at once. Specifically, devices that exploit MIMO chipset and RF technology transmit two [2 or more] distinct datastreams simultaneously. This is what gives you the bandwidth that needed to Stream HD Video, Listen to digital music, Play online games, Transfer photos and home videos, Handle multiple VoIP phone calls <b>for more than 1 person at the same time</b>.<br><br>Properly implemented MIMO systems divide a data stream into multiple unique streams, each of which is modulated and transmitted through a different radio-antenna chain at the same time in the same frequency channel. By taking advantage of multipath, <b>reflections of the signals</b>, each MIMO receive antenna-radio chain is a linear combination of the multiple transmitted data streams. The data streams are separated at the receiver using proprietary MIMO algorithms that rely on estimates of all channels between each transmitter and each receiver.<br><br>Each multipath route can be treated as a separate channel creating multiple "virtual wires" over which to transmit signals. MIMO employs multiple, spatially separated antennas to take advantage of these "virtual wires" created by multipath and transfer more data. In addition to multiplying throughput, range is increased because of an antenna diversity advantage, since each receive antenna has a measurement of each transmitted data stream.<br><br>IF the "N" system you purchase does not incorporate [1] [2] and [3] I would speculate that YOU will be very unhappy with the performance of the system within a short order of time.<br><br>The only CHIP promoter that I know off that does "N" the correct way -- where you will derive a great deal of satisfaction is Airgo now owned by Qualcomm.<br><A HREF="http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=74">Is Airgo the uncrowned king of 802.11n MIMO?</a><br><br><small>--<br>David Mozer<br><A HREF="http://expertoncall.us"> IT-Expert on Call </a> <br>Information Technology for Home and Business</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : Standard is slated by Sept 2009 for N now.. I did buy another N router as the DIR-655 can't keep a stable N connection or any wireless connection. Still that's a firmware issue or what they're saying at Dlink it's issue with NPU and WPU chip sets being different. I decided to try a another chip set in the past Marvel, Atheros, Broadcom never live up to the promises for N Draft 2.0 mode. Now with Realtek in the wireless N adapter and Ralink PU/WPU for Belkin N+ I don't have the issues I had with Buffalo, Trendnet, Netgear and Dlink N Routers.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  mobiledog <A HREF="/useremail/u/1354022"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>if your network stops when your microwave is on, sell your microwave and upgrade your network to "n".<br><br> </div>That made me chuckle and I heartily agree. <br><br>A couple of years ago, we did a kitchen remodel that included new appliances.  The "old" ones still seemed pretty new to me as the house was new when we moved in and they all still worked fine after 12 years or so.<br><br>My laptop would slow noticeably when the microwave was running.  I assumed that was pretty typical until we installed the new one.  Now, I get no slowing at all.  Makes me wonder how much RF I took to the noggin.<br><br>The whole "Should I buy N?" debate will soon become moot.  Prices are dropping and someday there will actually be a finalized standard.  Right now, though, it's still a valid question.  I appreciate the thoughtful input.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1354022"><b>mobiledog</b></A> : the best bottom line question for home user thinking about moving to "n" is...<br><br>do you have issues with interference with your 802.11 network? <br><br>if your network stops when your microwave is on, sell your microwave and upgrade your network to "n".<br><br>If your neighbor's garage door opener makes your network go wild, upgrade to "n". <br><br>are there specific times of the day that your network appears to struggle to get anything through, either up or downloading? if so, think about trying "n"<br><br>IF you decide to go the "n" route, be sure you are buying the 5GHz flavor, and not the 2.4GHz flavor, and that you get the proper matching PC card for your client devices. <br><br>as far as speed goes, your home network is probably already faster than your home internet connection will be for some time to come so speed is a bad reason to change to "n"... <br><br>hope this helps.<br><small>--<br>Mobiledog, an old timer in wireless and mobile computers</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : Not necessary for mix B/G/N environments are not as worst as you might have thought in the past. Some WNPU chip sets don't play nice or function too well with other brands. Some have some wierd issues as well. That's how show what I mean but owning all 4 from different manufacturers I mixed results.<br><br>Atheros<br>Broadcom<br>Ranlink<br>Realtek<br><br>Worst one on the list above is Atheros chips I have nothing good to say about them. Broadcom, Realtek and Ranlink are just fine. Netgear and Linksys use Broadcom and Belkin Ranlink, Trendent Realtek in wireless adapters. Dlink and Trendent uses the Atheros more. That's where the WLAN and WWAN have the most issues.<br><br>Range and distance<br>Ranlink<br>Realtek<br><br>Steady Connection<br>Ranlink<br>Realtek<br><br>Prone to Overheating<br>Broadcom<br><br>Prone to DNS Replay Issues<br>Atheros<br><br>If you're needs in a router is wireless distance and range you might want to look at the Belkin N+.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1444354"><b>stenman</b></A> : In theory the N router should handle G traffic but in real world tests the G traffic suffered significantly, often more than 50% in mixed environments, and this was worse if the router and the client hardware was from different vendors which is to be expected. The good news is that the client devices are relatively inexpensive. <br><br>A similar problem occurs with Ethernet when there is one computer with Jumbo frames enabled and others sharing the router or switch do not.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 15:48:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : So yes Wireless N router can be used either G/N or just plain wired only..<br><br>G/N-WLAN/WWAN LAN/WAN 10/100/1000 Ports<br>1. DIR-655 A3/1.22B05 firmware<br>2. DIR-655 A4/1.22B05 firmware<br>3. WRT-310N (used with dd-wrt v24/sp2/11650 firmware)<br>4. WNR-854T <br><br>G/N-WLAN/WWAN LAN/WAN 10/100 Ports<br>3. TEW-652BP v1.01 (used with dir-615 c1/3.01 modded firmware)<br>4. WNR-834Bv2 (used with dd-wrt v24/sp2/11650 firmware)<br><br>Notes: <br><br>DD-WRT <br>WRT-310N and WNR-834Bv2 needs special firmware to first be installed. WNR-834Bv2 needs 11650mini.ck flashed first then 11650std.bin.  WRT-310N needs mini.bin then the std.bin flashed.<br><br>TEW-652BP stock firmware 1.10.8 it's okay but limited. So a header files was put onto the DIR-615 C1/3.01 firmware so you can flash the 652BRP to a DLINK firmware. So you have WAN port speed 10/auto/10/100/100 instead of not having that option. <br><br>This router it pron to heat so it has a bad case design where the air vents on the bottom. You would need to stand it up on it's side leaving the bottom part exposed.  Even though you can mount it on the wall the air vents would be blocked and causes the unit to over heat.<br><br>DD-WRT firmware is WIP (work in progress)<br>Latest firmware can be found here for DD-WRT<br>&raquo;<small>ftp</small>://<A HREF="ftp://dd-wrt.com/others/eko/V24_TNG/svn11650/">dd-wrt.com/others/eko/V24_TNG/svn11650/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : Well our ISP is the same so the UP speed is now more that what is offered. Another time would be to test as I am back on home base now. I was just accessing wireless he runs a Active Directory 2003 domain in the house. Soon after typing the above he lost the internet but the ISP was at fault this time..         ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : That shows the speed of his ISP - irrelevant.  Do some peer transfers and measure with Q-Check or some other throughput utility.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : Today I am off site at friends house using his wireless WRN-854T wireless N, been a a few hours still connected no drops in N.<br><br>Speed: TX: 150 Mbps / Rx:300 Mbps<br>Signal Strength: 80%<br>Link Quality: 100%<br><br>I use N at home about 98% is wireless N. Here with him 0% he's still running G even though he also has Linksys WRT-310N I just had installed the updated DD-WRT onto it. Going to use that as wireless drop or Hotspot. With my own N laptop I've been testing out some of his gear to see how well it performs are not. I ran some speedtest from my own..<br><br>Tested usng Wireless N<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.speedtest.net/result/425644410.png"> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1627018"><b>ccotton</b></A> : FYI-  802.11n is still under draft development but WiFi Certified draft products are being sold.  802.11n is still being ratified. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : Ah, MIMO.  I thought you were talking about something else entirely - something unique to certain routers or specifically to N.  <br><br>Personally, if inter-node throughput was a big priority, I'd check Small Net Builder or Tom's Hardware to see how the unit performed before buying.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1227963"><b>ccbadd</b></A> : I don't have any test data to link to just some protocol info:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/7131#toc0" >zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/7131#toc0</A><br><br>Here is a quote from the link that references the feature:<br><br>"The transmitting WLAN device actually splits a data stream into multiple parts, called spatial streams, and transmits each spatial stream through separate antennas to corresponding antennas on the receiving end. The current 802.11n draft provides for up to four spatial streams, even though compliant hardware is not required to support that many."]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : That's good info.  Do you have any links to objective tests?  Specific models you recommend?  We can put them in the FAQ for reference.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1227963"><b>ccbadd</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Yes, that's what I'm saying.<br><br>If the hardware (CPU/RAM) of the G router is a bottleneck - that is, it can't process the bits quickly enough and the N router has more internal horsepower, then it's conceivable that you could see improvement.<br>...<br>In neither of those cases would the N spec in and of itself help.  A more robust G router would produce the same results.<br> </div>This is not true.  Draft N 2.0 with two or more antennas create spacial zones with full G speeds.  Look at it like two to four g routers back to back covering a 90 degree zone to fill all 360 degrees.  Each zone can send and receive concurrently with the other zones with no radio impact.  It's kind of like the move from hub's to switches with copper.  So, if the clients are connecting to different zones, they are not sharing airtime, therefore, performance IS increased.  The amount of increase will depend on the specs of the router, but most Draft N will perform much better then a G router.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : Yes, that's what I'm saying.<br><br>If the hardware (CPU/RAM) of the G router is a bottleneck - that is, it can't process the bits quickly enough and the N router has more internal horsepower, then it's conceivable that you could see improvement.<br><br>If the radio on the G router were so crappy or degraded that it was slowing things down due to retransmitted packets, then it's again conceivable that a new router could help.<br><br>In neither of those cases would the N spec in and of itself help.  A more robust G router would produce the same results.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1029728"><b>pdp76</b></A> : So are you saying that if I'm, for example getting 3Mbps when I'm simultaneously transferring between 2 wireless G clients through my current G router,I will also see 3Mbps when I do the same transfer with the same G clients through an N router? <br><br>edit: This is what I'm referring to "Adding an N router will not let you stream any faster between G clients"]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : I'll try it a different way:<br><br>Adding an N router will not let you stream any faster between G clients.  Its theoretical maximum throughput - 80 or 108 or 300mbps or whatever it's rated for - has no impact on its global throughput ability.  That's all hardware.<br><br>Some routers give you the ability to limit bandwidth to some clients to prevent them from starving the connection or allow you to give priority to some clients, but that's a whole different conversation.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:50:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1029728"><b>pdp76</b></A> : I'm not really concerned about wired speeds so the broadband internet connection is not a factor.  I also understand the max throughput to a single G client will be dictated by the fact it's G, so that doesn't answer my question either.  I'm mainly concerned about the throughput to/from multiple wireless G clients simultaneously on the local LAN/WLAN.<br><br>You mention that throughput to multiple clients it is most likely hardware dependent, which I alluded to as well in my original post.  So to rephrase my question, is 802.11n technology able to "distribute" its practical max of 80Mbps or so evenly across multiple G clients (i.e. 20Mbps or so to 4x G clients simultaneously), or is that aspect completely hardware dependent?  If it is completely hardware dependent, which N routers out there do this the best?  Are we entering the realm of MIMO here?<br><br>The bare minimum I'd like to see is streaming from one wireless G client to another wireless client G, through the N router, with roughly 15Mbps throughput.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : The theoretical maximum wireless throughput will be limited by your G clients.  An N router will not change that - LAN to LAN or LAN to WAN.<br><br>The ability of the router to handle multiple heavy-use clients is based on the router's RAM, CPU and firmware and bottlenecked by your Internet connection speed.<br><br>Given your circumstances, the only advantages to buying N might be gigabit Ethernet ports and ability to upgrade the clients later.  By that time, though, routers will probably be cheaper and have more features if history is any guide.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1029728"><b>pdp76</b></A> : My G router is starting to get flaky, I think it's time to get a new one.  Just like many others, I only have G clients, namely: 2x laptops, 1x "bridge" (buffalo ethernet client), PS3, Wii, and iPod touch.<br><br>Obviously I'm not going to get N speeds on any individual client (duh...) but what I'm wondering is if the N bandwidth will be shared across all G clients.<br><br>For example, G only gets a max of 20Mbps in practice, so if I had 2 G clients connected to the same G router running full speed, I'd theoretically get somewhere around 10Mbps to each client.  I know it's not this simple, but just for discussions sake...<br><br>Now N has a max of around 80Mbps in practice... would I theoretically be able to achieve more than 10Mbps per G client if I had 2 or more G clients connected?  If the answer is yes but dependent on which N router, could anyone give any suggestions on which router?<br><br>To sum up, I'm just wondering if it's worth it to get an N router from this point of view.  I don't think I'll be getting any N clients anytime soon, but if an N router can improve the aggregate throughput of all my G clients, I'd be willing to consider one.  Thanks!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : Great! Cisco Aironet cards are great also! Anyway I hope you continue with IT (information technology) I had started when I was 17 years old and been at it ever since..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  magic108 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1614791"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Really damn good card.<br>This is coming form a 14 year old,<br> </div>My 14 year-old would lose his network if he talked like that.<br>;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1614791"><b>magic108</b></A> : I have a DIR 615 from dlink, its N and I used a N card with it. It worked great, but it wasnt gigabit. It was 40 bucks so cant complain, but 3 month later i replaced it with a 4300 which is for gaming with gigabit, plus most of my stuff is G anyways. You cant go wrong with DIR 615 though for a cheap solution. Now I use a cisco aironet A/G card. Really damn good card.<br>This is coming form a 14 year old, with a few years of networking experience running an office network for family.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : You need wireless access point up there to help out the main wireless router. Don't get fooled by the claims of what Wireless N can do as it really can do it. I ran some test myself and found G wireless access points overlapping on Channel 6 could cover the house more than using N. Once you had you add N to the mix using another wireless N access point then you can overlap channel 6. Each access point needs it's own wireless channel to work.<br><br>Weak areas needs wireless access point. You could use WDS (100% wireless device) connected to wired wireless access point. This WDS would be used if you don't want to run LAN cable from the main to the wireless access point to the 3rd. I've tried this works great!<br><br>Best N Router right now that works as Router or WAP is the NetGear WRN834Bv2 don't use DD-WRT with it if you plan on using it as WAP in N only mode 40Hz. DD-WRT has lousy N only results. But DD-WRT as a wired router would be ideal.<br><br>Or stick with the netgear firmware.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : Probably not.<br><br>The most important variable isn't G or N, it's how much radio signal is getting to the client (and back, but since you're using the "weak" signal as measured by the client as a reference point, we'll focus on that).<br><br>A typical router antenna configuration produces a signal pattern that looks something like a doughnut.  You can angle the doughnut my moving the antenna, assuming it's external, and sometimes that will help.<br><br>Obstacles and the composition of them makes a big difference.  Old lathe & plaster construction attenuates the signal more than modern drywall.<br><br>Interference and reflected signal can hurt range.  This is where N has an advantage over G, but only if the G devices are not MIMO and both ends of the equation are N.<br><br>Throw in some variability between brands or even within a model and it makes performance predictions pretty scary.  In short, 802.11N will not by itself provide a magic fix.  I can help in some cases. <br><small>--<br>To you, I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the loyal opposition.  -- Woody Allen, <i>Stardust Memories</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Okay, so 130M or so for the N router- how about if a router is on the ground floor, would it happily work through to the 3rd floor of a house? My current G router doesn't. Just says the signal is `very weak` and fails to make a usable connection of any sort. <br><br>Kris ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : G and N which one? What are your needs? Can you live with 30mbps or better yet real world 130M for N. I say N is the way to go. Sure you won't get 300mbps as they tell you on the box, although the chips on the router is suppose to go that high but after you factor in all the signal crap then you're looking at 65mbps to 150mbps (300Mbps) for N. G is standard rates of that are much lower, but most users don't mine it.<br><br>I run both G and N, I use two different access points to manage both.  Most DLINK wireless router with N still use mix mode G/N to give you N. Some don't like Trendnet TEW-654BRP]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I am new to this and I have a simple question, I want to know what type of router I need, my neighbor across the street is going to let me jump off his wireless signal, but when I tried his signal was not strong enough! He lives about 500Ft. away across from me. What router do we need? a g, g+, n or what? please help... Thanks!!!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/750874"><b>slam5</b></A> : N ver G. You should consider a few factors.  First, do you have any clients that support only b/g?  How wireless friendly is your place(how many wireless router is around you)?  n has mimo and that is a big bonus over g in radio noisy envirnoment. now the big question is how many g or b clients you got.  imo, b is a standard that should be phrased out.  i once had a client who has no connection upstairs when the router is set for b/g.  once it was set for g only, it was more stable.  i suspect if you have a mixed envirnoment, the same result may apply.  Regardless, I think you should switch to a n router.  it definitely is future proof for sure for $ 30 or so.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/878241"><b>JohnInSJ</b></A> :  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Anybody used a N router that really preforms as it claims? <hr></blockquote><br>You mean, anyone other then myself, and all of the various testing sites?<br><br>For example, the dir-655 marketingspeak says "delivers up to 14x faster speeds* and 6x farther range* than 802.11g"<br><br>What I see in my install is it has about 2x the range and 2.5x the speed of a linksys wrt54cg router with an external omni-directional antenna in the same location. Compared to the same g router without the external omni it delivers out of the box (thanks to its much better set of three antennas) about 4x the range (or a 4x better signal at the same range) and 5x the speed (measured via iperf)<br><br>So I'd say its performing as claimed.<br><br>What are you selling?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1604932"><b>fp_goodwill</b></A> : Haha just read this sticky.<br><br>In my experience, surprisingly most N routers are not performing that well- some even fall short behind those G routers (the greatest range so far I got is from Buffalo WHR-HP-G54). However speed claims seems to be a bit more real- considering if you have similar signal coverage, N seems really gives better speed (if you have an N client of course :P)<br><br>Anybody used a N router that really preforms as it claims? (something like 3x range of a G router...) <br><small>--<br>Need a router? <A HREF="http://stores.ebay.com/feppaspot">Visit our store!</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/911537"><b>dellsweig</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  jlsohio <A HREF="/useremail/u/737941"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I switched to Linksys WRT310N router. So far I like it. It installed in a few minutes, no issues.<br><br>I also purchased a wireless adapter for my laptop. I'm getting speeds of 130Mbps. The range is excellent.<br><br>My two cents.<br> </div>Do you know if the 310 slows it's N connection to G speeds in a mixed environment?? I have both G and N clients.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/737941"><b>jlsohio</b></A> : I switched to Linksys WRT310N router. So far I like it. It installed in a few minutes, no issues.<br><br>I also purchased a wireless adapter for my laptop. I'm getting speeds of 130Mbps. The range is excellent.<br><br>My two cents.<br><small>--<br>I need speed...</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/823990"><b>PGHammer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Scot :</small><br><br>My existing laptop is 802.11g, although I have never actually used its wireless capabilities.<br><br>I am in the process of buying a new one that is 802.11n (and apparently 802.11g backward compatible) which I would like to use wireless.<br><br>If I buy an 802.11g modem router, am I right in thinking that I could link both laptops to it, the old one wired and the new one wireless ?<br><br>But if I buy an 802.11n modem router, would I only be able to link the new laptop to it ?<br> </div>I've owned my current router (the same model as yours, incidentally; the WRT54GS) for three years, but the household just bought its first laptop - an older (used) Gateway Solo 600 that supports wireless-b or wired built-in. Laptops and even desktops can be adapted to connect wirelessly (USB-based wireless adapters will work with either, for example); at most, any home LAN needs (truly) but one wired-only computer (the administrator's station); the remaining clients can all be wireless otherwise.<br>  However, I strongly suggest that all wireless clients support wireless-g at minimum, but for reasons of security, rather than speed or range. For non-gaming connectivity (even downloads from Microsoft or some other source) even b is certainly fast enough.  However, wireless-b connectivity on older laptops has issues with even the moldy-oldie WEP encryption, let alone WPA.  Wireless-g, however, due primarily to the inclusion of flash memory on most modern PC cards and USB adapters, is usually not prone to this problem.  Also, all N routers will also support wireless-g (Linksys' own N routers will also support SpeedBoosted g), so you don't have to upgrade right away (just make sure the router itself is configured to support both g and N).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/878241"><b>JohnInSJ</b></A> : Most (all?) n routers can do mixed mode n/g (ie, they accept g clients) - however having both n and g clients tends to slow down the n client a bit.<br><br>This is not unlike when g came out, and could accept plain old 802.11 clients, but doing that would slow down the g clients.<br><br>Just make sure whatever you pick supports mixed g/n clients.<br><small>--<br>My place : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.schettino.us" >www.schettino.us</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : My existing laptop is 802.11g, although I have never actually used its wireless capabilities.<br><br>I am in the process of buying a new one that is 802.11n (and apparently 802.11g backward compatible) which I would like to use wireless.<br><br>If I buy an 802.11g modem router, am I right in thinking that I could link both laptops to it, the old one wired and the new one wireless ?<br><br>But if I buy an 802.11n modem router, would I only be able to link the new laptop to it ?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/675418"><b>jsciii</b></A> : Here's a real world example.<br><br>My son lives about 200 yards down the road.  Since I have SpeakEasy, I have excellent DSL service which I share with him.<br><br>My set up was to use a LinkSys WRT45GL running OpenWRT with the power set to maximum and a pair of +7 Db antennas.  The result, he could receive a signal in most parts of his house and he had acceptable speed both up and down using his HP laptop's built-in G adapter.<br><br>I had resisted draft N because the adapters are expensive even if the price of the routers has come down.  But TigerDirect has D-Link Range Extender DWA-142 adapters for $29, so I bought several of those and a DIR-625 D-Link Range Extender router.<br><br>The LinkSys +7 Db antennas wouldn't fit on the DIR-625, so I used the stock antennas.<br><br>The result.... No Signal at all with N!<br><br>Through last night, D-Link had a $20 rebate on their ANS24-0700 antennas, so I ordered a pair.  we'll see if that helps.<br><br>But for now, my recommendation for improving range is to:<br><br>1) Stay with G<br>2) Install OpenWRT so you can turn the power up<br>3) Buy good antennas when they are on sale.<br><br>Good luck,<br>Jamie]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I have to neighboring houses that we own. One house we have the linksys wireless g router (the one with speedbooster), forget the model, and the adapters to go with it. In that house, the computers were one room apart from each other so signal strength was not an issue and it was working perfect. <br><br>I just moved into the house nextdoor. Older house with more walls and interference. Computers were on opposite sides of the house this time. Figured I'd buy the linksys router because of how good a service it was giving me in the other house. Well, I was getting NO signal to both computers at all.  Had another friend try out his router he brought over (forget the name) and got the same results. Did some research and found the N routers. Purchased the belkin n1 with the adapters and now both computers have perfect signals.. $269 is a little pricey but at least I know I wont ever have problems losing my signal.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1452877"><b>Eug</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  andyi <A HREF="/useremail/u/1573889"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I would buy N because prices have come down significantly and they are at the same price level as G now (in the $35-$40).</div>I just bought a g wireless router for CAD$19.99 new on sale at a major electronics chain. <A HREF="http://trendnet.com/products/proddetail.asp?prod=105_TEW-452BRP&cat=67">TRENDnet TEW-452BRP</a>.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Cutter59 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1574733"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I recently switched from a Linksys G router to a Belkin N-Vision router. I have 3 Windows PC's and 3 Macs.  The macs have an internal card that supports N.  With the new Belkin router I am clocking speeds of 103 mbps/sec.  That is a significant step up from the max of 54 mbps/sec offered by G.  At this point my Windows PC's have seen no slowdown.  In fact they are slightly faster.  An N router can make sense as long as your devices make use of N as is the case with my Macs.</div>You won't get 54 Mbps with standard 802.11g wireless. More like 20-something. ie. Your n network is 4X as fast as a g network.<br><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://everythingapple.blogspot.com/">Everything Apple</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1574733"><b>Cutter59</b></A> : I recently switched from a Linksys G router to a Belkin N-Vision router. I have 3 Windows PC's and 3 Macs.  The macs have an internal card that supports N.  With the new Belkin router I am clocking speeds of 103 mbps/sec.  That is a significant step up from the max of 54 mbps/sec offered by G.  At this point my Windows PC's have seen no slowdown.  In fact they are slightly faster.  An N router can make sense as long as your devices make use of N as is the case with my Macs.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1573889"><b>andyi</b></A> : I would buy N because prices have come down significantly and they are at the same price level as G now (in the $35-$40).<br><br>At the same time, N is backward compatible with G devices and provides higher throughput and longer range.  Moving files over wireless will be faster than G.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1218837679/ref=sr_nr_p_36_1?ie=UTF8&rs=172282&keywords=N%20router&bbn=172282&rnid=386442011&rh=n%3A172282%2Ck%3AN%20router%2Cp_36%3A2500-4999" >www.amazon.com/s/qid=1218837679/&middot;&middot;&middot;500-4999</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : Eug interesting layout there.. I doodle this from my job one day, I should get around making it into Network drawing<br><br><A HREF="http://www.techspot.com/gallery/data/501/tipstirnetwork.jpg">My Network Layout</a>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1452877"><b>Eug</b></A> : 802.11n may be useful for some people, but it's moot for me. I have 6 wireless-capable computers in the house right now, as well as an Xbox 360 and an iPhone, and none actually support n. All are g/b (or a/g/b) or b-only.<br><br>I'll probably get n hardware later, but I'd rather wait for the prices to drop and the n standard to actually be approved before I start investing in it. By that time I might even actually own an n-capable computer. ;) In the meantime I can purchase three or four 802.11g routers for the price of just one 802.11n router.<br><br>P.S. My current setup actually consists of four 802.11g routers, all bridged through powerline networking. (My network topology map is <A HREF="http://www.eugbanana.com/files/Apple/Networking/TopologyHDX101.gif">here</a>. There are three routers in that map, but I also have a fourth one off the top of the picture at the end of the backyard.) One might argue that a high-end 802.11n router might be able to reach further than my 802.11g routers, but I doubt it, since part of the issue is my receiving hardware. My iPhone for example isn't likely to benefit that much from a stronger source signal since the iPhone itself can't supply a huge amount of power to WiFi. Battery life is precious. So even if n routers can go further, my existing hardware would still necessitate multiple routers. And like I said, none of my existing wireless clients are 802.11n capable anyway.<br><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://everythingapple.blogspot.com/">Everything Apple</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1109005"><b>tipstir</b></A> : N routers after they get out of the Pre-Draft mode will give you 600Mbps, but 4th Gen of N for business is at 869mbps. Right now for the money you better of with N, but N wit wired 10/100/1000mbps is the way to go. All N routers will still do G. I doing G until N becomes more standard and out of the draft. Going from 100mbps for wired LAN to 1000Mbps is a huge jump. Still some devices just can't do GIG Ports, so you need to have mix bag of tricks. Next mix 100mbps with 1000Mbps on the same switch. So you would need to buy two switches on for 10/100 connected to router port 4 and another one for 10/100/1000 connected to the Router port 1. <br><br>I know some here don't like DLINK, I prefer DLINK routers. DIR-655 is rock solid. But I won't buy there switches as then tend to overheat. My choice would be NETGEAR PROSAFE or the rounded white ones GS series.<br><br>LINKSYS new black disc routers have some issues, so I'll won't recommend them also seem slower than DLINK in test.<br><br> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1239892"><b>kenz</b></A> : There is no good single answer to that question. The answer depends on a number of factors, the primary one being how valuable to you is the added range and bandwidth offered with the N router.<br><br>N is obviously more expensive. A decent model will set you back $100 or more. You are considering the bleeding edge which tends to run up costs. Do you already have a G network up and running? G remains the sweet spot.<br><br>Also consider throughput you need to get your day to day work done. If you are only using the router for internet access then your ISP bandwidth and other remote servers/routers will be the limiting elements, not the wireless router you choose. For example, my ISP usually provides about 3 MB access bandwidth--far less than the throughput provided on a wireless G router. It would make little sense to go with N in this case.<br><br>On the other hand, if you have a server in your network which you access for fileshares etc. then it could be a different story. You may need the bandwidth that N provides, depending on what you are doing with the server and how many clients you are supporting on the wireless network.<br><br>I have considered upgrading to N, but see no real value to spend the additional $$ needed to do so. My G wireless subnet is working just fine for what I am using it for. It provides reliable service at reasonable throughput. The router that I use USR WRT5461 was purchased on sale for $9.99 with rebate. Really a no-brainer at the time. Most of my network remains wired. I use only 2 clients at most on my wireless subnet. The cheap G router works perfectly in my case.<br><br>So what are your circunstances? Budget restrictions? throughput requirements? range requirements?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/181110"><b>Snakeoil</b></A> : I just brought a WRT160N router. The only reason was so my Wii had an internet connection.<br><br>The Wii found the hot spot and was easy to get to connect.<br><br>Not sure how it will be for computing, but I might try it in a few months. My network is currently a combo network and power line.<br><small>--<br>Omne initium est difficile</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/878241"><b>JohnInSJ</b></A> : Can you define "stinks"? The dlink I reported in my post above performed exactly to specs and expected throughput/range, for example.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1450062"><b>SkyBlue</b></A> : I have tried Netgear wireless N 2 models 360 = stinks<br><br>"            Linksys wireless N 3 different product = Stinks<br><br>"            D-Link Wireless products 2 models = Stinks<br><br>"            Wireless N USB adapters D-Link/Linksys/Netgear = Stinks.<br><br>I could give you all the model #'s but if you are looking for a more comprehensive test try it yourself.<br><br>If you still want model #'s let me know & I will give you all the info.<br><br>I bough them and returned them to the store and told them they stink.<br><br>----------------------------<br><br>If you are not sure. If they are good do what I did buy and try and then post your conclusions.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1394292"><b>stevech0</b></A> : From the manufacturers' viewpoint, the 11n w-routers are great. Gets more sales going becuase the w-router market was saturated with 11g products. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/878241"><b>JohnInSJ</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  SkyBlue <A HREF="/useremail/u/1450062"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I have found "N" Routers stink.<br><br>I have tried several and in most cases the devices either connects G rather than N.<br><br> </div>As helpful as this post was, it would *really* help if you told us which models you tried, what the environment was (mixed N/G/B, N -only, etc) and what testing you performed*. Saying "they stink" isn't very scientific, and hardly repeatable.<br><br>* for example, I have found that B & G routers stink, Powerline HD stinks, switches stink, laptops stink, desktops stink, vista stinks, etc. But without specific details, those are hardly helpful to anyone else. They're all true statements, too. Just try and prove me wrong!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1450062"><b>SkyBlue</b></A> : I have found "N" Routers stink.<br><br>I have tried several and in most cases the devices either connects G rather than N.<br><br>I made it connect to the N standard and got lousy unreliable signal/throughput.<br><br>IMO "N" standard or Routers/Cards are not ready for prime time.<br><br>IMO & Experience G using Atheros chipset seems to be a hair better than Broadcom.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1508345"><b>DaveCinSL1</b></A> : well unless people buy a multi in multi out wireless adapter to go along with the Pre N it's a moot point.  I would recommend PreN phase 2 as this will be the approved standard around 7 2009  the first poll had over 12,000 negative responses to the standard the second had less than 25% of the responses meaning that it's not going to change again. so feel free to buy N phase 2  it's going to be the standard just remember to also buy an N adapter or multi antennea adapter  I use a linksys WRT54GX4  MIMO G router  when I get a round tuit I'll get a multi antennea adapter  right now I have 54G thru 3 walls and they are OLD lath and plaster walls  I also have a version 1 wrt54g with open sourced firmware but it's been so long since I played with it I forgot whose  lol  <br><small>--<br>H/P system with a WD caviar 250G HDD added wireless networked using a "G" Linksys WRT54GX4 (srx400) router tweaked firefox mem settings and Dr TCP</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/431519"><b>Anav</b></A> : Good to hear!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/878241"><b>JohnInSJ</b></A> : I run a mixed N and G environment - I have 2 G routers, and a Dlink 655, all within 10 feet of each other.<br><br>The Gs are not degraded. At the same location, 25' and 2 drywalls from the AP, a G based card got 60%, "good" signal and 12-18Mb/sec throughput. Swapping it for an N card signal is 92-96%, "Excellent" - speed is 240-300 at the link layer, and throughput is 30-40Mb/sec (as measured by iperf) across the wireless link.<br><br>Range out to the farthest unit is only 50' and one exterior wall + 2 drywall... G is poor, 20-30%, N is Good to Very Good, 70-80%, speeds are 20-25Mbit for N, and 8-10Mbit for G. (Note G was there before, tested G before and after installing N, G performance identical - still use several G units in the house talking to a Linksys G router, without issues. N is used for higher speed HD Media streaming.)<br><br>I've done the site survey, there are 4 other G networks at 10-20% signal, and one at about 50% - I put my three networks such that they don't overlap each other (much)<br><br>My results in a residential single family home (but tightly packed homes!) have been pretty positive - more throughput (not 20X, but a solid 10-20Mbit more) and about the same signal boost as moving everything halfway closer to the AP.<br><br>This is all draft 2.0 stuff, perhaps thats better then the first wave of attempts?<br><small>--<br>My place : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.schettino.us" >www.schettino.us</A></small>]]></description>
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<title>Re: Should I buy an &#x22;N&#x22; router?</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/431519"><b>Anav</b></A> : The problem with N, is that approval has been given to systems that seriously degrade standard G units without appropriate safeguards.  The standards to prevent this were either poorly written or not enforced.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:54:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : Gigabit wired ports is obviously a big plus for some.  Can you expound a bit on the extended range of the wireless?  I see conflicting reports and have no experience to reference.<br><br>How much of an increase did you see? What's the RF landscape like there? ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:18:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/878241"><b>JohnInSJ</b></A> : I dunno guys.<br><br>I find if you get recent, tri-antenna routers with recent client adapters, you'll get real-world improvements in range and speed, even in crowded signal areas (like my house.) - even single band N routers. Will you see "300Mbit?" only at the link level... but real throughput is 50% higher or better then 11g all else equal, in my home anyway.<br><br>Toss in gigabit (wired) router capabilities and for the price, the value isn't bad. <br><br>There, now the three of us have posted the same positions here that we've posted in every other N topic here at DSL ;)<br><small>--<br>My place : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.schettino.us" >www.schettino.us</A></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:01:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20600203</link>
<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/431519"><b>Anav</b></A> : The originator posted a question to which he already knew the answer, or he was giving us a big clue.  NO!<br><br>The answer is NO, if you have not done any research and thus are asking, and if you have done your research then you NO the answer already (as per stevo).]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 08:53:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1394292"><b>stevech0</b></A> : in my opinion, you SHOULD buy an 11n router if you wish to fatten the profits of you local retailer and you don't have expectations for a good benefit for your $.<br><br>You should NOT buy 11n client devices that match the vendor/vintage of W-router, since it's moot that they too are 11n compatible if the w-router is lame.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:06:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<link>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20595872</link>
<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : Seems like we get this question a lot, along with frequent misconceptions about range and speed.  I'd like to tap the extant brain trust for some content then sticky it for newcomers to see.<br><br>So, please post your technical rationale for or against buying 802.11N.  State any assumptions - upgrade vs. buy new, for example - brand preferences (tell us why, though) and personal observations.<br><br>Thank you.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:59:21 EDT</pubDate>
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