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Re: And all this time..... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20600785 en Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:00:01 EDT Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:00:01 EDT Re: And all this time..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20600785 Jason Levine : We are concerned about the artists. However, that doesn't mean we can't disagree with a ridiculous opinion that an artist has or an outrageous proposal that an artist makes.

Common Carrier law states that the ISPs aren't responsible for illegal actions taken on their lines provided that they take reasonable steps to stop those actions once alerted to it. So if a file is being shared illegally, the recording industry notifies the ISP (via a DMCA letter - the one good part of the DMCA) and the ISP then takes down the material. ISP is in the clear. (Of course, the poster can protest the letter, etc, but the important part is that the ISP doesn't have any liability.)

If we drop common carrier status, then not only will the ISPs have to pay the music industry money for piracy that goes over their lines, but they'll need to pay the movie industry. And TV industry. And book industry (might be scanned books). And software industry. As the fines pile up, ISPs will eventually be forced to shut down.

And it's not just ISPs. Website operators will be forced to shut down. Let's say someone makes a post here and includes an MP3 of a copyrighted song. Justin would get a DMCA letter telling him to take it down. He would (I'm guessing) and all would be fine.

Without common carrier, though, Justin would be liable for anything anyone posted. If I posted an MP3 illegally here, he could be facing multi-million dollar fines. The prospect of some random user causing you huge financial difficulty or even bankruptcy would result in many websites closing down.
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said by ykronic

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I thought Bono was the only reason I hated U2

Now that clears the bases, amen brother!

No dogs or pretentious wannabe Irish "rock stars" allowed

No offense intended to the Irish in general :D
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said by ykronic

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I thought Bono was the only reason I hated U2

When I want Bono's opinion, I'll dictate it too him. Let's give Bono and U2 what they want--no more market here. Why is Bono always here asking for money? Europe not supporting his "charity" called DATA that some have called a big scam. "Sorry, but you're on the bottom of the shelf in the backroom because you just pissed off your biggest market. Oh, I heard your venues won't let you sing there anymore. Sucks, huh?"

Bono is a self-absorbed, greedy a@@. U2 took down all the fansites already causing them grief and outrage. Fans are fickle. Piss them off once, they forgive some. Piss them off big time, they don't forget.
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said by TK Junk Mail

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And I thought everyone here was concerned about THE ARTISTS getting their money. Well here is one who is and still people aren't happy. Maybe, just maybe, people want their music for free, and they don't care if ANYONE gets paid for it.

That clown is just another middle man trying to soak up money without contributing anything to the art.
The only people losing money due to piracy are the Recording Industry pricks. The majority of artists barely see a fraction of the revenue from record sales, and rely on concerts and Tshirt sales to make their money, which piracy actually HELPS because piracy is in essence free worldwide distribution and promotion of the band and its songs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20598651 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:59:23 EDT Re: And all this time..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20598613 TK Junk Mail :

said by MysticGogeta

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One word describes him. GREEDY

And I thought everyone here was concerned about THE ARTISTS getting their money. Well here is one who is and still people aren't happy. Maybe, just maybe, people want their music for free, and they don't care if ANYONE gets paid for it.
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said by MysticGogeta

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One word describes him. GREEDY

I can think of quite a few words to describe him, and lets just say Greedy is the most flattering.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20597894 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:26:25 EDT Re: And all this time..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20597441 MysticGogeta : One word describes him. GREEDY ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20597441 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:52:43 EDT Re: And all this time..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20596765 backness : Let's also not forget that U2 has one of the highest concert incomes in the business.

I think they are top 10 if not top 5 for income from concerts

Cry me a river]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20596765 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:43:34 EDT Re: And all this time..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20596603 james :

said by ykronic

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I thought Bono was the only reason I hated U2

That and that "Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah" song. Helloooo helloooo? That's a perfect example of why the music industry is "failing".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20596603 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:14:28 EDT Re: And all this time..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20596428 kamm :

said by ykronic

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I thought Bono was the only reason I hated U2

:D :D :D

I second this, completely agree. I always knew Bono is just, well, a successful musician who somehow thinks he's also smart, important etc so I always felt he's kinda fake but never imagined they are this huge phonies.

Well, wake me up again when he scores some grad paper or posts a great recipe or anything useful. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20596428 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:42:58 EDT And all this time..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20596281 ykronic : I thought Bono was the only reason I hated U2]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20596281 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:17:08 EDT