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Re: With a cap of course... CARBQ!!!!!!!!!!! marshmallows? Or.. Burn baby burn let that sucker burn!!
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 CheesePremium
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said by nasadude:said by wifi4milez:.. and thats precisely why the caps are being implemented. .. caps are being implemented for the sole reason of sucking more money out of existing customers. stopping p2p and illegal downloading is a red herring. Caps are being implemented to get more money out of the top 1 percent of the people who use XXXgb a month. |
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Laguna Hills, CA | reply to wifi4milez
That's because most sites are small...most people don't go to most sites. They frequent large ones and large ones have plenty of capacity. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to BF69
Comcast hopes you will afford Comcast PPV-VOD instead (which is the real point of having the caps) |
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said by wifi4milez:said by Matt:Actually, no it does not. Being able to download them faster allows things like instant start to watch the movie while it's downloading, or gives you the ability to start watching the movie faster if you have to download the whole thing ... if I can download a movie in 20-30 minutes, rather than 24 hours, that's a better product to me. A higher speed allows this. Incorrect. The "instant start" thing that Netlfix offers has nothing to do with your bandwidth. They basically have a (very limited) selection of movies queued up on the head end of their network of servers. When you select instant start, they stream that particular title directly to you instead of waiting for it to download. As long as you have enough bandwidth to support a video stream (anything much above 1.5Mbps will work fine) you are in good shape. Ah no. Netflix uses clusters not "head ends" to stream video to you , And They are working on HD streaming , soon that would blow the 1.5 mbit idea out of the water.
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I run freenx to workstations of homes uers a lot. When I have to send scripts or file transfers to and from it maxes out the connection easily. A lot of my customers have 7/1.5 dsl circuits now.
While just normal work flow works well moving big excel sheets and other heavy technical pdfs and the like result in saturating thier pipes pretty much 50% of the time.
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said by BosstonesOwn:said by wifi4milez:said by Matt:Actually, no it does not. Being able to download them faster allows things like instant start to watch the movie while it's downloading, or gives you the ability to start watching the movie faster if you have to download the whole thing ... if I can download a movie in 20-30 minutes, rather than 24 hours, that's a better product to me. A higher speed allows this. Incorrect. The "instant start" thing that Netlfix offers has nothing to do with your bandwidth. They basically have a (very limited) selection of movies queued up on the head end of their network of servers. When you select instant start, they stream that particular title directly to you instead of waiting for it to download. As long as you have enough bandwidth to support a video stream (anything much above 1.5Mbps will work fine) you are in good shape. Ah no. Netflix uses clusters not "head ends" to stream video to you , And They are working on HD streaming , soon that would blow the 1.5 mbit idea out of the water. You clearly dont understand what the term "head end" means. I never said the used "head end", I said they use servers (yes, clusters!) at their head end to deliver the content. Yawn......
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That isn't always possible as there are more people telecommuting from other states and even other countries. In that situation a point to point line isn't really an option. |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by nanoflower:That isn't always possible as there are more people telecommuting from other states and even other countries. In that situation a point to point line isn't really an option. As has already been pointed out, 99% of corporate applications run fine on a dial up connection let alone a high speed line. If the remote worker absolutely "needed" a very high capacity connection in order use a given program (CAD, 3D modeling, etc.) the company would either need to purchase a private line or simply give him a copy of the software.
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | reply to BosstonesOwn
Right, the difference between file transfers and remote control is pretty apparent. I was just confused how RDP screen draws could saturate OP's dad's pipe. |
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join:2007-06-12
Rego Park, NY
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So, what's the point of a 50 Mbit pipe if it's capped, throttled, and now, delayed during peak hours? Nada, Zilch. When I pay $150/month for a 50 Mbit pipe (which BTW is almost 1/2 the price of a full dedicated T1), I don't expect to have my data being delayed and throttled, or touched in any way. $150 is quite a lot to pay for an internet connection. And yes, I use BitTorrent. Tough. It's not Comcast's decision to make on what protocols I use (HINT: They're "Protocol agnostic" now, innit?). So what's the deal now? And please stop implying that anyone using BitTorrent is a robber. You could've said the same for FTP back in the 90's, so anyone who suggests this should promptly shut up and leave the conversation to people who know what they're talking about. |
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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| said by a333:So, what's the point of a 50 Mbit pipe if it's capped, throttled, and now, delayed during peak hours? Nada, Zilch. When I pay $150/month for a 50 Mbit pipe (which BTW is almost 1/2 the price of a full dedicated T1), I don't expect to have my data being delayed and throttled, or touched in any way. The difference is a T1 will be 1.544mbps 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The 50mbps connection at least has a fighting chance of hitting its top speed sometimes, and being substantially faster (even when throttled) than a T1 nearly all the time. |
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a333A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12
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1 edit | Yes, and that speed is both UP and DOWN, besides having MUCH better latency. That's not really my point. I'm merely trying to say that $150/month is DEFINITELY not a normal amount to pay for internet, and people generally sign up for this plan under the impression that it's targeted at heavy downloaders/pirates/whatever you want to label them. If this was 1/2 the $150 price tag, many wouldn't complain, as quite a few of Comcast's existing higher tiers are in the $70 range. But, at $150, I dunno, but IMHO, you are paying a premium for internet, and should get what you pay for.
Also, BitTorrent is not used by thieves only, just wanted to inject some common sense into the proceedings.. |
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What they're using is not RDP, but it's some other remote desktop solution. I don't know why it uses up so much bandwidth, but it does. When he works remotely, it's almost like being right in front of his workstation.
I totally agree though that if it was some sort of CAD or rendering software, that shouldn't be done over a remote connection, but he doesn't use any of those things.
Now, he travels frequently and for security reasons, doesn't keep any company data on his laptop that isn't necessary. Unfortunately using the VPN is just too slow for anything other than email/intranet/small data transfers. He has a lot of data on his personal workstation that he needs to access frequently, sometimes on a weekend, sometimes just to finish up something he was working on at the office.
Clearly this isn't something that the average user would be doing, but I think it shows that there definitely is a market for higher speed network connections.
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Unfortunately the underlying technology is failed....you can only bond so many channels together, which is what DOCSIS 3.0 does..there are limitations inherit in DOCSIS 3.0, sure nobody needs the speed now, but within 5 years it will be DOCSIS 4.x bla bla bla....trying to keep up with FTTP....run MTF run.... |
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said by wifi4milez:said by nasadude:said by wifi4milez:.. and thats precisely why the caps are being implemented. .. caps are being implemented for the sole reason of sucking more money out of existing customers. stopping p2p and illegal downloading is a red herring. Thats your opinion, however my statement that most sites cant be accessed any faster (on a 50Mbps connection) is an irrefutable fact. Each time DSLR reports about faster internet speeds there is inevitably an avalanche of "now I can reach the cap faster" posts. I am simply looking to point out that with the exception of piracy, most "normal" websites will behave in the same manor, and thus your caps wont be reached any quicker. Many of us have SEVERAL people pulling data at the SAME time, so your argument is short sighted and doesn't think further ahead than simply getting email and browsing by 1 person. Silly rabbit! |
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Microsoft virtual earth uses quite a bit when you are browsing around the large cities with lots of skyscraper models |
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Re: With a cap of course... said by BF69:said by Amr:50Mbps with a cap of 250GB...horrible. Just because you have 50 Mbps does that mean you have to download 24/7 at that speed? Isn't the benefit of having that speed is to download FASTER not MORE? Sorry but you could download 8 GB a day and still not go over your cap. Exactly how many GB a day do you intend to downloading LEGALLY? At least half their customers don't even download that in a month. What maybe 10-15% at best download that much in a week? I'm going to point something out to you. If you can download a file 5X faster wouldn't that mean you would have 5X more free time on the web to do other things such as download another Video?
I don't think you realize file size on HD content. Have you looked at the size of a full Blu Ray movie?
Your looking at 20GB easy and the fact is HDTV's are so much more affordable and sales are going up and up. Not to mention gas prices on the rise.
Its only a matter of time before downloading vs driving to the rental store or waiting for a video in the mail will be eliminated.
If I had the bandwidth to simply stream and download a full 1080P HD rental movie I'd probably download 3 or 4 a week. Even at 20GB thats 80GB per week at a cost of say $2.50 per rental so $10 bucks a week. Christ I'd have that tied up driving to the rental place to pick them up.
Not to mention people that actually network and have more than one user on there setup. What happens when dad likes to download HD movies, Mom likes to stream here TV series, daughter likes Itunes, and there son likes porn?
Anyone that doesn't see overall usage going up and up is a naive fool.
As bandwidth gets faster and faster the options you have to do something increase. Why else would everyone's overall usage have went up and caps become a problem all of the sudden?
P2P has been around for quite some time so don't blame torrents for the problem. People downloaded/uploaded just as much via P2P before Torrents were invented. |
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join:2002-12-23
West Palm Beach, FL | reply to wifi4milez
Wifi, why all this talk about how it's not needed? You're right, you don't need a 50mbps connection to watch ONE streaming movie or download ONE program (service pack, anyone?). But, this is especially useful for homes with multiple computers and users.
Having a fatter pipe is not necessarily about accessing "my favorite site" faster or downloading grandmas email faster. For me, and I'm sure many others, it would help out with issues around the home where one person is saturating the pipe (for whatever reason) and it affects other people. It's all about multitasking. I want to download high def trailers from Apple while the latest service pack downloads and my wife streams an xbox movie in the living room.
For me personally, the best example that comes to mind right away is when I'm playing a game online and my wife decides to upload pictures to our website or walmart, etc. My latency goes through the roof until the transfer is done. And please don't talk to me about QOS... I don't want to have to manage my traffic. Having enough bandwidth so I don't have to worry about it is what it's all about.
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