 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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Re: With a cap of course... Thats almost irrelevant. You will be hard pressed to find a site on the internet that can serve data at that rate. In fact, one of the only things you can do "full throttle" is steal content, and thats precisely why the caps are being implemented. Email and websurfing wont be any faster on a 50Mbps connection than they will be on a 3Mbps connection in most cases.
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| said by wifi4milez:.. and thats precisely why the caps are being implemented. .. caps are being implemented for the sole reason of sucking more money out of existing customers. stopping p2p and illegal downloading is a red herring. |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by nasadude:said by wifi4milez:.. and thats precisely why the caps are being implemented. .. caps are being implemented for the sole reason of sucking more money out of existing customers. stopping p2p and illegal downloading is a red herring. Thats your opinion, however my statement that most sites cant be accessed any faster (on a 50Mbps connection) is an irrefutable fact. Each time DSLR reports about faster internet speeds there is inevitably an avalanche of "now I can reach the cap faster" posts. I am simply looking to point out that with the exception of piracy, most "normal" websites will behave in the same manor, and thus your caps wont be reached any quicker.
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Actually that's false.
More and more website are pushing multimedia through their websites. Sites like hulu, netflix, joost and others are letting people watch full movies on the internet.
Games are more bandwidth intensive as well. Let's not forget things like xbox live marketplace where you can also purchase and download movies and shows and watch them in high def.
So no, high bandwidth usage isn't for only stealing content.
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kudos:12 | said by scrummie02:Actually that's false. More and more website are pushing multimedia through their websites. Sites like hulu, netflix, joost and others are letting people watch full movies on the internet. Games are more bandwidth intensive as well. Let's not forget things like xbox live marketplace where you can also purchase and download movies and shows and watch them in high def. So no, high bandwidth usage isn't for only stealing content. I agree. I can tell the difference in my 15Mbps connection and a Time Warner 5Mbps connection ... even though latency is about the same. |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | reply to scrummie02
said by scrummie02:Actually that's false. More and more website are pushing multimedia through their websites. Sites like hulu, netflix, joost and others are letting people watch full movies on the internet. Games are more bandwidth intensive as well. Let's not forget things like xbox live marketplace where you can also purchase and download movies and shows and watch them in high def. So no, high bandwidth usage isn't for only stealing content. Well, you raise an interesting argument. First let me say that when it comes to streaming content, you can only watch that content as fast as it is meant to be displayed. This means that even if you have a 10Gbps pipe the movie wont play any faster, so there will be no difference between between 3Mbps end user or a 50Mbps end user. Yes, sites are pushing more media content from their websites but unless you want to watch/listen to it in "fast forward mode" the extra bandwidth wont do anything for you. Neflix, Joost, and Hulu will provide exactly the same end user experience whether you have a 50Mbps connection or a 3Mbps connection (aside from the content loading slightly quicker).
Contrary to popular belief, online games hardly use any bandwidth. In fact, most dont use much more than a few VoIP calls worth at a given time (if that). Again, an online player with a 50Mbps connection wont notice any difference over that of a 768k player. With online games, its latency that matters and bandwidth has absolutely nothing to do with it.
As for purchasing/downloading HD movies from places like Xbox live, that too is irrelevant. To begin with, you need to pay for that content so its not like you are going to be downloading 24/7. Secondly, you plan on watching those movies at some point, right? The fact remains that a 2 hour HD movie will still take 2 hours to watch, regardless of how long it takes you to download it. Also, the Xbox site (and the Xbox itself) might not even be able to properly manage a 100Mbps request at this point in time (since nobody has them yet), so the who argument is moot.
Dont get me wrong, having more bandwidth is a good thing. My point is that other than people who are pirating (fill in the blank), the vast majority of end users wont be reaching their caps any quicker than they are now. The infrastructure of most sites simply wont allow it.
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I can download video content at that speed from LEGAL pay sites.
Your comment is ignorant. |
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said by wifi4milez:Thats almost irrelevant. You will be hard pressed to find a site on the internet that can serve data at that rate. In fact, one of the only things you can do "full throttle" is steal content, and thats precisely why the caps are being implemented. Email and websurfing wont be any faster on a 50Mbps connection than they will be on a 3Mbps connection in most cases. Doesn't anyone have a family or perhaps a roommate or two? This does not have to be just one computer utilizing this bandwidth. Geez, it only takes a couple of teenagers to bog down a network. This increased bandwidth may not be necessary for a single user, but anyone with a home network and multiple users might find the increases to be a godsend. |
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | said by jmn1207:said by wifi4milez:Thats almost irrelevant. You will be hard pressed to find a site on the internet that can serve data at that rate. In fact, one of the only things you can do "full throttle" is steal content, and thats precisely why the caps are being implemented. Email and websurfing wont be any faster on a 50Mbps connection than they will be on a 3Mbps connection in most cases. Doesn't anyone have a family or perhaps a roommate or two? This does not have to be just one computer utilizing this bandwidth. Geez, it only takes a couple of teenagers to bog down a network. This increased bandwidth may not be necessary for a single user, but anyone with a home network and multiple users might find the increases to be a godsend. That's what I was thinking. YouTube, gaming, VoIP, and horribly inefficient sites like Facebook and MySpace ... having more bandwidth helps.
Not to mention upstarts like Hulu, the DTV Roku, AppleTV, etc. |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | reply to jmn1207
said by jmn1207:Geez, it only takes a couple of teenagers to bog down a network. No question, but if you review my original statement I said that this shouldnt effect anyone NOT stealing content. What exactly is it you think the teenagers who "bog down the network" are doing?? (Hint: Its not homework!)
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to Sturm
said by Sturm :
I can download video content at that speed from LEGAL pay sites.
Your comment is ignorant.
Yes you can, but you will need to pay for it so you wont leave you connection running 24/7 like people do with Bit Torrent. Also, unless you are unemployed you can only watch so many movies in a given period of time. There comes a point that the number of movies you can download exceeds the amount of free time you have to watch them. This effectively negates any "benefit" you gain from downloading them quicker.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | said by wifi4milez:said by Sturm :
I can download video content at that speed from LEGAL pay sites.
Your comment is ignorant.
Yes you can, but you will need to pay for it so you wont leave you connection running 24/7 like people do with Bit Torrent. Also, unless you are unemployed you can only watch so many movies in a given period of time. There comes a point that the number of movies you can download exceeds the amount of free time you have to watch them. This effectively negates any "benefit" you gain from downloading them quicker. Actually, no it does not. Being able to download them faster allows things like instant start to watch the movie while it's downloading, or gives you the ability to start watching the movie faster if you have to download the whole thing ... if I can download a movie in 20-30 minutes, rather than 24 hours, that's a better product to me. A higher speed allows this. |
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Online gaming barely takes up any bandwidth, latency is far more important
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Not true, I can access content on Steam at my full speed allowed by Comcast. Whenever I buy a new game from them and start the download, I max out (way over 3) the entire transfer.
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said by wifi4milez:said by jmn1207:Geez, it only takes a couple of teenagers to bog down a network. No question, but if you review my original statement I said that this shouldnt effect anyone NOT stealing content. What exactly is it you think the teenagers who "bog down the network" are doing?? (Hint: Its not homework!) and its idiotic generalizations like this that irritates those of us who actually have large pipes and use them.
This is blatant trolling and fear mongering at its best.
Teens use the net for far more than P2P and the sites they visit are media rich and require bandwidth. There is also a CRAPLOAD of music radio they listen to.
Please stop trying to insinuate that any user who actually uses more than 3mbps must be stealing or doing illegal activities its simply not true.
The proliferation of internet attached devices these days ensures that just about everyone in the house can be doing something that involves communicating to out side the home. And said communication can be bandwidth intensive. |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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said by Matt:Actually, no it does not. Being able to download them faster allows things like instant start to watch the movie while it's downloading, or gives you the ability to start watching the movie faster if you have to download the whole thing ... if I can download a movie in 20-30 minutes, rather than 24 hours, that's a better product to me. A higher speed allows this. Incorrect. The "instant start" thing that Netlfix offers has nothing to do with your bandwidth. They basically have a (very limited) selection of movies queued up on the head end of their network of servers. When you select instant start, they stream that particular title directly to you instead of waiting for it to download. As long as you have enough bandwidth to support a video stream (anything much above 1.5Mbps will work fine) you are in good shape.
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How about this scenerio: My father often works from home and uses a secure remote desktop solution to access his workstation at the office. Their bandwidth is such that he is easily able to max out the 6 megabit connection at our home. Even at 6 megabits, there still is a lot of compression going on to make remote desktop usable for him. Now, at 50 megabits or 100, less compression would be used, and he'd still be using a significant amount of bandwidth, although he probably wouldn't be maxing out our connection. Imagine if two people ran a remote desktop from our connection. That would really slow it all down.
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said by wifi4milez:In fact, one of the only things you can do "full throttle" is steal copy content, and thats precisely why the caps are being implemented. Fixed it for you.
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to danclan
said by danclan:Teens use the net for far more than P2P and the sites they visit are media rich and require bandwidth. You crack me up! You are either:
1) A teen yourself who happens to be the minority by not using P2P 24/7
2) A person who has absolutely no idea what teens actually do on the internet
said by danclan:There is also a CRAPLOAD of music radio they listen to. Riiiiight, since internet radio requires a 50Mbps connection in order to work? Thats news to me!
said by danclan:Please stop trying to insinuate that any user who actually uses more than 3mbps must be stealing or doing illegal activities its simply not true. I never once said that. All I said was that most users who arent doing any pirating wouldnt notice much difference between a 3Mbps connection and 50Mbps connection (because the infrastructure isnt currently set up for it). I always welcome people to challenge my assertions, but please actually read my comments first m'kay?
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said by wifi4milez:said by scrummie02:Actually that's false. More and more website are pushing multimedia through their websites. Sites like hulu, netflix, joost and others are letting people watch full movies on the internet. Games are more bandwidth intensive as well. Let's not forget things like xbox live marketplace where you can also purchase and download movies and shows and watch them in high def. So no, high bandwidth usage isn't for only stealing content. Well, you raise an interesting argument. First let me say that when it comes to streaming content, you can only watch that content as fast as it is meant to be displayed. This means that even if you have a 10Gbps pipe the movie wont play any faster, so there will be no difference between between 3Mbps end user or a 50Mbps end user. Yes, sites are pushing more media content from their websites but unless you want to watch/listen to it in "fast forward mode" the extra bandwidth wont do anything for you. Neflix, Joost, and Hulu will provide exactly the same end user experience whether you have a 50Mbps connection or a 3Mbps connection (aside from the content loading slightly quicker). Contrary to popular belief, online games hardly use any bandwidth. In fact, most dont use much more than a few VoIP calls worth at a given time (if that). Again, an online player with a 50Mbps connection wont notice any difference over that of a 768k player. With online games, its latency that matters and bandwidth has absolutely nothing to do with it. As for purchasing/downloading HD movies from places like Xbox live, that too is irrelevant. To begin with, you need to pay for that content so its not like you are going to be downloading 24/7. Secondly, you plan on watching those movies at some point, right? The fact remains that a 2 hour HD movie will still take 2 hours to watch, regardless of how long it takes you to download it. Also, the Xbox site (and the Xbox itself) might not even be able to properly manage a 100Mbps request at this point in time (since nobody has them yet), so the who argument is moot. Dont get me wrong, having more bandwidth is a good thing. My point is that other than people who are pirating (fill in the blank), the vast majority of end users wont be reaching their caps any quicker than they are now. The infrastructure of most sites simply wont allow it. there's a difference between watching a movie on a 50mbps pipe and 3mbps pipe. Just like you cant stream a 196mb 2minute 30 second movie trailer from www.apple.com/trailers @ 1080p on a 3mbps pipe unless you sit there and wait like 7 minutes or so for it to load. You wouldnt be able to stream a whole movie @1080p. The reason for this is the same reason you cant really stream a movie file while on dialup unless you sit there and wait for like an hour (not enough bandwidth).
If you think 1080p is big, wait until the new hd resolutions come out which are even larger.
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