world domination in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20611299 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:11:04 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:11:04 EDT Re: world domination http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20614514 herdfan :
said by nanoflower See Profile :

They may go after DirecTV once their agreement comes to an end.
Not a chance. Remember, DirecTV now owns ReplayTV's IP. Replay owns as many patents for DVR tech as TiVo does, so DirecTV would counter-sue in a minute if TiVo did that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20614514 Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:09:51 EDT Re: world domination http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20614150 Morac :
said by KrK See Profile :

You realize that's just TIVO's side of the story, right?
Yes, but since the courts have sided with TiVo it is now the official story.

said by KrK See Profile :

Basically the TIVO patent is extremely broad; in effect, every DVR that doesn't license from them will be sued. Doesn't matter if you built your own machine from scratch with your own software and if it was being developed concurrently; It matters not.
If you actually read the patent, it is not nearly as broad as you think.

To summarize, the patent covers the case where a MPEG-2 stream is split into audio and video portions and then tagged with a time stamp before it is written to disk. To jump to a location in the video, the time stamp is used to locate the video and audio data which is then merged and output.

The key part of the patent is the Barton Media switch which does the splitting/merging and time stamping. This allows DVR functionality with a low performance computer. The original TiVo's CPU ran at 54 MHz which is not fast enough to provide DVR functionality without the Barton Media Switch.

To work around the patent, all you need to do is not include a media switch. This is what Dish supposedly did in their new software. If that is true, then their new software does not violate TiVo's patent. The problem is that an injunction against Dish is already in effect and to get it lifted they'd need to prove the new software is different enough from the old one.

As for other companies (software and hardware) DVRs running on modern machines have more than enough processing power to provide DVR functionality without a media switch, plus the patent only covers MPEG-2 so things like Windows Media Center aren't covered by the patent.
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said by Morac See Profile :

They sued Dish, because while TiVo and Dish were in good faith negotiations, Dish copied TiVo's designs and came out with their own TiVo.
You realize that's just TIVO's side of the story, right?

Basically the TIVO patent is extremely broad; in effect, every DVR that doesn't license from them will be sued. Doesn't matter if you built your own machine from scratch with your own software and if it was being developed concurrently; It matters not.

DISH will probably end up having to pay TIVO a ton of money, and TIVO will be no better then other patent mills.
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said by Anonymous See Profile :

Yeah but the problem is they think they own the concept of time shifting.

So some company designs and develops a product and TiVO wants to get money off of it.
Actually they don't think they own the concept of time shifting. They own the TimeWarp patent, which is a specific type of time shifting designed to work on devices with very little processing power (this is the Media Switch). You can view the patent (diagrams and all) here.
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said by Dude See Profile :

Hey Tivo came up with something and others wanna copy it. I think they deserve the money
Yeah but the problem is they think they own the concept of time shifting.

So some company designs and develops a product and TiVO wants to get money off of it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20612045 Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:25:03 EDT Re: world domination http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20612041 Hall :
said by Dude See Profile :

Hey Tivo came up with something and others wanna copy it.
Do you know what they came up with ? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20612041 Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:23:48 EDT Re: world domination http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20612030 Dude : Hey Tivo came up with something and others wanna copy it. I think they deserve the money
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said by belawrence See Profile :

Essentially, Tivo believes that anybody who makes something even remotely resembling a DVR is infringing on them. Expect them to start going after everybody else (Motorola, Cisco) once this case concludes, Just like Verizon did after beating Vonage in court.
The difference here is that TiVo has licensing agreements with many other companies (Cisco, Motorola, Sony, Panasonic, Comcast, Cox, DirectTV). So they won't sue them. They sued Dish, because while TiVo and Dish were in good faith negotiations, Dish copied TiVo's designs and came out with their own TiVo.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20611950 Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:51:47 EDT Re: world domination http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20611517 Hall :
said by belawrence See Profile :

Expect them to start going after everybody else (Motorola, Cisco) once this case concludes
Time Warner will be next... They've dumped, or are dumping, their 3rd-party set-top software for DVRs and are writing it themselves. Basically, if your DVR can record a show while you watch another show 'live', you're infringing on TiVo's patent(s) and are in violation. If you don't pay the licensing fee, they're going to sue you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20611517 Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:41:13 EDT Re: world domination http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20611400 Anonymous : I agree. The patent system is flawed. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20611400 Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:11:03 EDT Re: world domination http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20611390 nanoflower : They will not be going after Motorola or Cisco. Those two companies will be using Tivo software for the DVRs so there is no reason for Tivo to go after them. They may go after DirecTV once their agreement comes to an end. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20611390 Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:08:20 EDT world domination http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20611299 belawrence : Essentially, Tivo believes that anybody who makes something even remotely resembling a DVR is infringing on them. Expect them to start going after everybody else (Motorola, Cisco) once this case concludes, Just like Verizon did after beating Vonage in court.
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