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Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial said by rzaruba: quote:
If Morrison paid out $600 or more in a calendar year to anyone, he would need to get a 1099 from them.
If he paid out more than $600, he would have to give them a 1099. He would get the SSN from their W-9. W9 from contractor to company 1099 from company to IRS w/copy to contractor.
You're totally correct. I could type this all day but I doubt if it would help. I'd still confuse the forms in the morning.
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Onion, NJ | reply to Snowy
Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial said by Snowy:said by rzaruba: quote:
If Morrison paid out $600 or more in a calendar year to anyone, he would need to get a 1099 from them.
If he paid out more than $600, he would have to give them a 1099. He would get the SSN from their W-9. W9 from contractor to company 1099 from company to IRS w/copy to contractor. You're totally correct. I could type this all day but I doubt if it would help. I'd still confuse the forms in the morning. Mahalo for the correction! All that being said, online affiliate programs generally ask for the SSN when you sign up.
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Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial quote:
WE Independant Contractors file our 1099's, reporting our 'self-employed' (as Anthony calls it; very important quoting, there) income and in doing so we PAY our taxes and WE use our SSNs...he's not filing pretending to BE us, is he? No.
Angel , you are a JERK.
An IC does not fill out a 1099. The person paying the IC does, because a 1099 is an informational form sent to IRS for matching purposes. The 1099 form requires an SSN, EIN, or TID. The payer frunishes a copy of the 1099 to the IC. |
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Whip
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Califon, NJ | reply to rzaruba
Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial If the independent contractor has a tax identification number, they would not give a ssn.
I work on equipment for a store chain and they only have my business info which does not include my ssn. |
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Onion, NJ | reply to rzaruba
said by rzaruba: The 1099 form requires an SSN, EIN, or TID. The payer furnishes a copy of the 1099 to the IC. said by Whip:If the independent contractor has a tax identification number, they would not give a ssn. I work on equipment for a store chain and they only have my business info which does not include my ssn. Thats what he said.
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Califon, NJ | It was early for me.  |
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Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial I think they are crooked all the way around.
I awoke at 3am like I do most mornings because of a bad back and someone unfortunately left the TV on. I caught the end of the infomercial. I called ordered the cd and book. I was asked to buy other stuff and after several no replies to various offers I was told to watch my email. I received the email sign up for the site..
I receive a phone call from a rep of mr morrison's a few days later. He was selling a training course for $3995 and said that anthony really was looking for people to star in this infomercials that became wealthy off his "system" and that I could cut years off the time it takes to becoming successful if I joined the train program. I said, I don't have the room on my card. He said how much can you put on it? After answering, he said well anthony has a loan program and you can make payments with a down payment of what credit I have left on my card. I said I'm disabled and I can't afford anymore debt. He promised that I could make back the payments in addition to what was charge for the training if you put in the effort. He went on to say if it don't work out you can just dispute the charge with the credit card company and they will drop it and that is what he liked about using credit cards. I said, I don't think so and hung up. High pressure salesman never work on me. Those type salesman just seem to desperate.
I checked out the site after setup. A no thrills site with a few
banners,a bunch of links under categories. I check a few of the links and some couple didn't work. I thought, wow this looks cheap and has bad links to, great. From the affiliate site I make the site look a little better with color and enlarged fonts. I thought, well the deals are what they'll come for, the site will just have to do.
I start advertising with on Google Adwords because they're the best. Well they don't seem to think my sites the best. They wanted the charge $20 a keyword. I fiddled with it a while longer and decided to try Yahoo. Some of the keywords were high also but managed to weed them out and ad a lot more. I got the average down to .20 CPC on one campaign and .15 on the another.
I spent $400 total advertising before I quite and this is why. I sent over 1500 people to my site and according to the affiliate website the click count shows 99% of didn't clicked on anything once at the site. They also claim only a three of them bought anything. My check was less than $30 for two weeks work. I don't believe that 1500 people entered the site looking for something to buy and only a three purchased.
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Mr Morrissison,
If yours is the great program you proclaim. Why not just partner with people earn a percentage of their income? You would earn far more than the $3995.00 |
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A $30 check just might make you one of highest commissioned people outside of morrison's private circus of friends/brother etc...
Be grateful it only cost you ~$400 to figure out the whole thing is just a hustle because if you kept going at that rate your 1st million would have cost you about $7.5M to earn.
What is/was your sites address?
With all the 1000's of people morrison claims are making big money off of his program, not a single one has posted a link to their site. With over 100.,000 people that have viewed this thread, not a single person has ever seen a morrison student site linked to this thread Not one.
Here's a good chance for some exposure if your site is up.
If the site is down, the URL could still be helpful. |
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I think the answer's obvious.
I also think it's sad that most of the people getting taken are like myself, recently unemployed or just hurting financially do to the economy. I guess there's a few people who really believe this site can make "THEM" a millionaire and fall for the $3995 "LESSONS", ouch! I wrote several ads within each campaign and they scored well enough to get the cost per click down low and the number of impression high. Even though I averaged under 20 cents per potential customer entering the site it still didn't pan out. I think I know why. Either most people backed out of the site as soon as they came in or maybe there's a "glitch" in the system. If so, somebody needs to set it straight.
I rather sit in a wheelchair begging for change. I bet I'd get more than 25 dollars or so for every 1500 people that passed by and it wouldn't cost me $400+ to try either!
P.S. Hey MR MORRISON...Did you know that Jesus said, "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Thank God I'm not a rich, because life's really to short and eternal life "could be" way too long! |
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There was no way to figure it out sooner. There's quite the delay on getting paid. If the notification of commissions to be paid where in real time I would have stopped the bleeding much earlier. I've owned a successful business for 10 years. Recently I had to close the doors do to the economy. I guess selling my equipment, tools and companies vehicles with be next. It's a sign of the times and many companies have been doing it around here. Good luck to you and yours.
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| Welcome to the site.
It would make sense for morrison to delay that payment.
morrison can keep the charade in motion, draining his victims for all he can get before the reality of a $30 commission strips away his smile & his professed love of helping people, exposing him for what he really is.
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said by disabledman:....... I receive a phone call from a rep of mr morrison's a few days later. He was selling a training course for $3995 and said that anthony really was looking for people to star in this infomercials that became wealthy off his "system" and that I could cut years off the time it takes to becoming successful if I joined the train program. I said, I don't have the room on my card. He said how much can you put on it? After answering, he said well anthony has a loan program and you can make payments with a down payment of what credit I have left on my card. I said I'm disabled and I can't afford anymore debt. He promised that I could make back the payments in addition to what was charge for the training if you put in the effort. He went on to say if it don't work out you can just dispute the charge with the credit card company and they will drop it and that is what he liked about using credit cards. I said, I don't think so and hung up. High pressure salesman never work on me. Those type salesman just seem to desperate. ... .. A word of caution to consumers.
One of the most vile upsell scam techniques that are being used by numerous get rich internet scams, is "one on one coaching". You will find this tactic in use on various scams such as get rich selling on Ebay, and numerous consumer internet ventures. Once you turn over your name, phone number, and email address, even for a minimal purchase, expect to be called repeatedly and hit with all forms of coaching propositions.
That format is highly prized by scammers because it is essentially an intangible sale, and extremely difficult to dispute after the sale is made. One of the first signs of this approach is when you are asked what your current available credit limit is on your cards. That question is the precursor, and indicative that this tactic is about to be used. Some consumers who fall prey to this, and then within a few days think that they can dispute the charge once the realize that they are being conned, get a real surprise.
They subsequently find out that when they gave their card details over the phone the charge was processed as a cash advance on the card. Consumers need to be aware that cash advance charges are near impossible to dispute. They are also subject to a higher interest rate than normal credit purchases.
I do not know if tactics such as this have ever been used here, however, that format has been used in other "life coaching" scenarios, and it is a know practice. Be alert when any conversation leads to asking you what the available limits on your cards are.
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| said by MGD:That format is highly prized by scammers because it is essentially an intangible sale, and extremely difficult to dispute after the sale is made. Some consumers who fall prey to this, and then within a few days think that they can dispute the charge once the realize that they are being conned, get a real surprise. To expand on that, most people are aware that they have a right to dispute a credit card charge but fewer are aware that a successful dispute requires a demonstrable deficiency on the sellers end.
When a scammer says "And that I could cut years off the time it takes to becoming successful if you join the training program."
You are not going to prevail in a dispute based on anything in that sellers statement.
A statement such as that is really a sellers disclaimer masquerading as a selling point.
For the purpose of a dispute, read that same sellers statement as if it read "The buyer has been advised that the training program is not a get rich quick scheme & it will take years, if even ever, before they see the results of joining the training program"
That's why the buyer will lose this dispute. Until some undetermined amount of years have passed since buying the training program have passed, the seller is in compliance with that statement.
The scammer knows this when he says "Just dispute the charge". There isn't any law that prohibits a seller from telling a prospective buyer they have a right to dispute the sale if they are not satisfied with the service. There not saying you will get your $ back, there just reminding the buyer of their rights. |
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