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Rebirth
join:2009-06-18
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| reply to Doctor Four
Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial
The guys a complete dickhead, and that's putting it mildly !
Why hasn't the state, polititicions, fbi etc etc got involved with this already ?
For starters his VERY obvious deception with his brother MUST be a sure fire way to bring charges.
Why don't you ALL complain to ALL the proper authorities/people, as well as writing on here. If nobody does, then he'll keeep on taking even more $ from others.
Don't just think about it, DO IT, and get as many other people as possible to also. | |
avd706
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join:2003-02-06
Union, NJ
| reply to PPCblood
Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial
said by PPCblood :
Man, I want to write a book that simply says "If you bought this book to learn how to become a successful marketer, then I must be one"
Good one?
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Lexus driver
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| reply to Doctor Four
Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial
[Anthony let me say that i went to one of your seminars and the price for it was 4995.00. i did some real simple math and i said to myself if he can get 1/2 the people in this room to sign up he will make over 300K in this 2 hour session!.. Of course i did not sign up. but i must be honest and say I dont konw if this is a scam or not.. Here s what i would like to suggest that you do. if this is NOT a scam, and if it s as half as good as you say it is. why dont you allow people to join for FREE .. UNTILLLLLL they make money off of your system. I mean you ask people that dont even know you to trust you and give you 5k.. why dont yout trust people (since you are already rich) and allow people to try your system and pay you the 5K after they make at least 6k?? 5k is a whole lot of money to just trust a stranger with . I am sure that would agree with that which is probably why you dont take me up on me this offer.. .tell you what you think anyway.
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SnowyOne
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Kailua, HI
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| said by Lexus driver :
but i must be honest and say I dont konw if this is a scam or not..
There's enough reputable references to safely call morrison & his "traveling gypsy con artists" scammers.
e.g.,
»74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:h9···irefox-a
»www.cbsatlanta.com/investigates/···ail.html | |
lexus
@bellsouth.net
| reply to Doctor Four
let me mention one of other thing that happened at the seminar that I attended.. YOU were NOT allowed to ask any questions after the seminar!! the guy that did the presentation before Anthony came in, said that he was NOT going to open it up for questions and answers but instead he was going to invite Anthony out and HE was going to ask the most frequently asked questions to Anthony and let him answer.. well let me say that he did not ask ANYTHING that I would have asked Anthony so evidently my questions did not make the frequently asked questions list!.. that was the other thing that made me very very spetical because the 5k fee for him training you . | |
Angel
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|  reply to Rebirth
Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial
Dear Anthony Morrison,
I just ordered your book/DVD a week ago. Aside from all the marketing 'ploys' from other sources offered to me during the phone call (which you no doubt get commissions from if the sale is successful) which I said "no thanks" to, I went ahead & got the book & DVD. So fine..I'll wait for it...it's not gotten here yet but its only been a week.
I also got the email requesting information to have my "website" set up for me. Not fine... my radar went haywire...so I have some serious questions for you.
Allow me to explain:
I am VERY savvy regarding marketing and sales. I worked in sales/Cust.Svc./HR/PR from the age of 14 all the way up to the time my abuse-injury from '91 disabled me in 2000. Ive been told I could sell ice cubes to Eskimos more times over the years than I can count. lol So of course I was skeptical. But, I decided to give it, and you, a try even though my 'radar' was up (as it usually is whenever I am involved in any 'sales related' thing).
I have not signed up to attend one of your "conferences" because, of medical bills & my disbility, I am unable to do so. Therefore I have NOT been through what some within this thread have been through; I am only "at the beginning", so to speak.
As I stated before, all I have done thus far is purchase your book/DVD because I was curious and am actively looking for way to generate income using the internet, being that I also have extensive experience with domains, designing/building websites and such.
So, while I waited for my materials to arrive, I received your emails.
In the first one you have a Form in which you ask to be filled out in order to "activate" my "free website".
IN that email, you request my Social Security Number (SSN) citing:
"We are required by law to collect your SSN in order to mail our your commission checks each month. It is kept private and is used to mail you your 1099-MISC form, at the end of each year, if you were make over $600" ...
quoted, ad verbatum as shown, when clicking the "i" icon appearing next to the space to type my SSN, for more information as to why you need me to fill in my SSN on the form.
(and yes you forgot the "to", between "were" and "make". No biggie; but still, your web-designer may want to fix that.  )
AT ANY RATE, I have NOT filled anything out yet, and have NOT activated my site yet.
Why? Because of these few questions & conflicts which I canNOT ignore:
Why do YOU want my SSN?
1)
If what guide(s) you are selling us TRULY generates "self-employed income" , then it should BE such.
"Self" means ME, not you... whether you send the checks or not.
2)
If YOU ARE producing my commission checks w/o taxes being taken out, then I need to go get my OWN 1099 to fill out & send in... that is MY responsibilty and mine alone.
We will file 1099's on our own, but because the commissions paid out are 'in whole' there is no need for you to have our SSN's...
because we have NOTHING taken out of our checks:
no SSI/SSD, no State Taxes, no Federal Witholding, NOTHING. That is all 'taken care of' on the 1099's we will file.
3)
Who, exactly, would be paying me? Who's account name is printed on those commission checks; yours?
Are YOU paid by the companies to solicit, start-up and provide multiple venues ("our" advert sites) for the promotion and possible purchase(s) of their services and if not, why can't we be, or better yet AREN'T we, paid directly BY said company(s)?
If you alone are the one to be paying me the commissions then, again, you don't need my SSN to file for a deduction of my commissions.
»www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf IRS Form 1040
»www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040sab.pdf Schedule A-Itemized Deductions
»biztaxlaw.about.com/od/taxdeduct···nexp.htm About Deducting Commissions Paid to "Indepentant Contractors" (what you would be doing)
The above documents show, clearly: you dont need my SSN.
And lastly, 4)
How ARE you reporting us? What are you reporting our commissions AS, that you DO need our SSNs?
Since you DON'T provide Employment Security/Workmans Comp Insurance or anything else of the sort...
and since this is, as you cite: "SELF-employed income"...
and since the IRS Documents show you DON'T need our SSNs flat-out .....
I see no need for the provision to you of any SSNs.
So you see, all of this has been glaring at me. ESPECIALLY since you cite over and over it will be "self-employment" where I would be filing a 1099 to pay my taxes.
I am not stating in any way, shape or form that you WOULD use my SSN inappropriately. A am only citing that it could be exposed and given in an improper manner, which makes no sense by reason, request, or fact at this join in the venture.....
not counting the fact it would be sent via an E-Mail Form which is HIGHLY risky in and of itself.
I'd like to hear rational, short & to-the-point answers for the above questions (facts) which prove (at least to me) that you have no right or reason to ask me for such information which would put my identity and personal information &/or credit (credit reports/DMV etc) at great risk.
And Id like to know who, exactly, WITHOUT A DOUBT, would be paying me.
Because of my experience within the Internet genre, I searched the WWW & found this site, before giving any more information via your Form. After perusing the many pages of this thread, & because of my belief that there are ALWAYS 2 sides to each story, I decided to post this....
NOT to belittle, berate, slander or say "I believe!" or "..dont believe!", but just ASK you, 1st, for answers.
This is NOT just for my benefit, but is for everyone elses benefit as well. I think I, WE, deserve that much.
Rest assured, I appreciate your patience reading all of this; I know it is long but I had to cover all of the bases. I also appreciate your consideration and your prompt response to my querys.
Sincerely,
~~~Angel | |
avd706
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Union, NJ | Angel:
I know most commission based programs require a SSN in order to mail out commission checks.
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SaveyScammer
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| reply to lexus
said by lexus :
let me mention one of other thing that happened at the seminar that I attended.. YOU were NOT allowed to ask any questions after the seminar!! the guy that did the presentation before Anthony came in, said that he was NOT going to open it up for questions and answers but instead he was going to invite Anthony out and HE was going to ask the most frequently asked questions to Anthony and let him answer.. well let me say that he did not ask ANYTHING that I would have asked Anthony so evidently my questions did not make the frequently asked questions list!.. Allowing random and unscreened audience member questions might lead to needing to provide answers that don't put the 'system' in the best possible light.
That might not be good for business.
said by Angel :
Dear Anthony Morrison,
I just ordered your book/DVD a week ago. . . . .
. . Allow me to explain:
I am VERY savvy regarding marketing and sales. Hmmm. Alrighty then.
Have you also cc'd this to Morrison at some website he actually does business at?
You may have better luck getting a response that way. (Then again, maybe not.) | |
Karma
@charter.com
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Here's my two cents,
I've been out of work for some time and have turned to the internet as a home business, this process started some time ago and continues today. In my opinion there is no "easy" way to be successful, there is only hard well planned actions which lead to rewards as in any other thing in life.
I've bought many products to educate myself in the many ways to do an on line business, and yes there are many people making a good living at it. There are also some honest people who became rich because of their hard work, the problem is there are more that became rich by sc@#$ing the masses. This includes all the "jeff pauls" of the world as well as this Morrison guy, there is a special place in he11 for people like them. (yes I bought just to see for myself and write a review)
If they ask for "mentoring" service or "extra" service or anything that gives you question, JUST STOP!!! Any offer that's from a honest person will be there in a day, week, or even a month from now.
That brings me to the best part, I thank God that there are people like the owner of this site to provide a place for open discovery to be aired. I'm also thankful for the internet which provides the means to create communication and search ability for those who would battle against immorality.
If you want to make money on line you need to do your work, spend great time educating yourself and finding the many honest people out there that really care about others. These people are out there, I've found them myself. I, after many months of education and relationship building am confident in the methods used to work on line. (with the help of good people)
ANYTHING GOOD TAKES WORK, IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD IT IS !!
If someone needs help with where to get guidance you can mail me, if there's something I can pass on I'll try. People need to work together if we're ever going to get ahead of the sh@tb@gs in this world, they'll burn for their actions but it would be nice if we didn't have to deal with them here:)
This is my personal email please don't abuse it, I'm trusting you!
Mike McBride
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Angel
@bellsouth.net
| reply to avd706
Re: [Scam] Anthony Morrison/Hidden Millionaires Infomercial
said by avd706  :Angel: I know most commission based programs require a SSN in order to mail out commission checks. Thank you for your response. 
If you read the IRS Documents you will see clearly that for him to file and/or claim deduction(s), he does not need them. Only a lump sum (total payout) is required if he wants to deduct.
I read the forms and instructions and nowhere do I see a requirement for SSNs for Independant Contractor commissions someone has paid out. The deduction of said commissions, in and of itself, lowers their reported income and therefore, when they fill out THEIR 1099 or 1040s, they pay taxes only on the final total (income-minus-deductions). Voila! Their taxes are paid.
WE Independant Contractors file our 1099's, reporting our 'self-employed' (as Anthony calls it; very important quoting, there) income and in doing so we PAY our taxes and WE use our SSNs...he's not filing pretending to BE us, is he? No.
Also, he doesnt need our SSNs to DEDUCT the total commissions he paid out. Is he going to PAY taxes on something he will use to DEDUCT in order to lower his total income thereby lowering the taxes he will PAY? I think not.
The IRS publications dont show a need for him to have our SSNs, either. NOWHERE, that I can see, does it ask for a "complete list of your Independant Contractors SSNs and each persons total commissions paid", or something of that nature. NOWHERE. All he would need, if ever ITEMIZED proof is needed of each commission paid and/or the total commissions paid, are the cancelled commission checks (marked "PAID" by banks they were cashed/deposited at) and copies of the original checks.
If we truly ARE to be "self employed" as he states many times over, and he isnt paying ANY taxes on the commissions he pays out, WHY does he "need" our SSNs? See what Im getting at?
If he does claim the deduction I would like to know:
in which deduction category does he place the total of all the checks he pays out? Meaning: how does he categorize those who 'work for' him?
If we ARE classified as 'self employed' Independant Contractors:
I have been one before. Twice.
I was paid via check from a legitimate official payroll company for a pretty large company in So. Cali. when I lived there. I DID NOT have to supply my SSN because I was an "Independant Contractor".
I was also an 'Independant Contractor' for a telemarketing company offering re-fi's to homeowners; again, in So. Cali. I was paid via personal check w/telephone expenses included and, again, DID NOT have to give my SSN.
In both cases it was MY resposibility to report my income to the IRS as a 'Self Employed' citizen, via 1099, regardless of whether or not my 'employer' claimed my commissions on their Federal Tax Return.
I would like to see quoted text with page, date etc, or a link posted to documentation thereof, which proves that I MUST give my SSN within that form (the 1 in my email) as an 'Independant Contractor'.
In this case, I do not know him & the method he provides for sending my SSN to him is VERY insecure. For someone claiming to be experienced in marketing & business as he claims to be, it didn't makes sense; it just didn't jive.
As for the SSN queries:
One COULD argue that I know him as much as I know the people at CitiBank. Why would I readily offer my SSN to CitiBank when applying for a credit card, but question giving my SSN to Anthony Morrison?
The answers are quite simple:
1) CitiBank offers secure transactions, answers ALL questions promptly without asking me "why???" and has a WELL ESTABLISHED reputation spanning many many (did I say 'MANY'?) years.
and 2) Having been a self-employed individual & Independant Contractor over the years, the ONLY person or entity Ive EVER had to supply my SSN to has been the IRS.... ON MY 1099s.
I am not saying Anthony's program is bogus or that its a scam. Im saying only that his own wording and method caused my radar to kick into high gear & question things. Instead of jumping to a conclusion BASED on my gut feelings I am asking the legitimate questions needed in order to resolve it, one way or the other.
I do believe this is fair, is it not?
As a fellow saleperson, who can spot a sales pitch a mile away, I need these answers so that I may proceed to either dig into his program, or say "no thanks Id rather not risk it".
He IS selling a 'program' after all, and at the same time offering a 'self' form of 'employment'.
Two things at once; both very different.
But both require him to make one hell of a SALES pitch (to attract 'customers') and offer SECURITY for those who eventually do "buy into it" (so it's successful).
He is a BUSINESSMAN. He says so many times during his infomercial. In order for anyone to get started in his 'program' they have to BUY something from him. So he is ALSO a SALESMAN. Sales generate business which generates his income. Its not that hard to see that he has put both BUSINESS & SALES to good use: FOR HIM. Offering 'self employment' which could reap potential $millions to others is all PART OF THE SALES pitch. So I do not think that seeking NON-ARGUABLE answers, when it comes to odd feelings about giving out my SSN to said Salesperson, is too much to ask.
At any rate, his answers and the manner in which he answers will sway me in the right direction: either yes, or no. And, maybe, they'll help others to feel more secure while making THEIR decisions. Which is, after all, what he would want (or, as the persona he portrays to be, SHOULD want)..... right?
Sincerely,
~~~Angel
p.s.: To the person who suggested I write him via his site, directly: I have done so and Im waiting for a response. I hope I get one soon..but who knows. Till then, I will read the book, watch the DVDs and take it from there...but with my SSN kept safe & private. | |
hoyleysox
join:2003-11-07
Long Beach, CA | Is this guy a shill trying to market the scammer's books & DVDs by implying you don't need a SS# to buy the book? | |
SnowyOne
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| reply to Angel
said by Angel :
I read the forms and instructions and nowhere do I see a requirement for SSNs for Independant Contractor commissions someone has paid out. The deduction of said commissions, in and of itself, lowers their reported income and therefore, when they fill out THEIR 1099 or 1040s, they pay taxes only on the final total (income-minus-deductions). Voila! Their taxes are paid.
If Morrison paid out $600 or more in a calendar year to anyone, he would need to get a 1099 from them. The 1099 will have that persons SSN within it, but I've never heard of a company asking for one before that threshold was met, ever.
Is the book thing being sold to people who expect to receive commissions from morrison at some point in the future, or are the commissions expected to come from a different source? | |
rzaruba
join:2000-08-04
| quote:
If Morrison paid out $600 or more in a calendar year to anyone, he would need to get a 1099 from them.
If he paid out more than $600, he would have to give them a 1099.
He would get the SSN from their W-9.
He likely would also have to furnish the 1099 information to various states as they may have different requirements and thresholds.
Some states, like NJ, treat IC's almost as if they were employees. | |
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