BarterFrost
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said by BF69  :Yeah right. Please provide examples. I get almost all of my shows from revision3.org. |
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jonnyz
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join:2003-03-20
Canfield, OH
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said by pfak :said by davidbrown :If there is no law against something its not illegal and only becomes illegal if a law against it is made. Its the reason no one has been prosecuted. The thing is, there is a law against it. You are not permitted to redistribute copyrighted works without written permission of the copyright holder. There is an exemption for Music, there is no exemption for TV shows or Movies. You missed a part - you need written consent if it involves public viewing, multiple copies/mass distribution, or any monetary gain. If it is only for personal use, you're fine. As for sharing it, you must have never lent anything to anybody in your life, because there's nothing wrong with that in my eyes.
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davidbrown
join:2005-05-31
Toronto, ON
·Bell Sympatico
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said by pfak :said by davidbrown :If there is no law against something its not illegal and only becomes illegal if a law against it is made. Its the reason no one has been prosecuted. The thing is, there is a law against it. You are not permitted to redistribute copyrighted works without written permission of the copyright holder. There is an exemption for Music, there is no exemption for TV shows or Movies. Ohh you mean the one were the broadcasting rights belong to owners in the states?
Bell actually owns none of the programing rights and the same goes for rogers.
Its actually their own fault in how they worded it and none of our present copyright laws cover the present state of things.
Its the same basic problem that happened with small amounts of weed sometime back, thanks to the goverments foolishness we ended up with no law that covered things.
Not to say local broadcasts aren't covered but for the most part they tend to be free anyway. |
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pfak
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join:2002-12-29
Canada
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said by davidbrown :If there is no law against something its not illegal and only becomes illegal if a law against it is made. Its the reason no one has been prosecuted. The thing is, there is a law against it. You are not permitted to redistribute copyrighted works without written permission of the copyright holder.
There is an exemption for Music, there is no exemption for TV shows or Movies. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to greendragon
said by greendragon :Streaming or downloading is the same, at least as it pertains to this discussion. You are using bandwidth either way. Sure, but if you download an episode of a show say from Amazon unbox that will use nearly twice the bandwidth as watching streamed version on cbs.com or wherever so it kind of matters.
Also I can see why someone who already paid for a show at Amazon then having to pay even more because of the bandwith would be mad. If you're watching shit for free from a website, well it's free.
I don't think the OP mentioned if he had cable or not, but I for one do not. while I do not stream 7 hours a day, I can certainly see reaching the cap with multiple people using 1 connection the same as I do. I'm just saying if I'm watching that much TV online I'd save $60 a month and dump cable. That $60 could help pay for overage fees.
With multiple users it may be that you'd have to have multiple accounts. If my ISPs starting capping and in 3 years when my son is old enough to work if he just has to use so much we'd go over a cap he's just going to have to pay for his own connection. |
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davidbrown
join:2005-05-31
Toronto, ON
·Bell Sympatico
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said by pfak :said by TigerLord :So because it is no covered in the act it's illegal? It's a gray area if anything. No, it's really not a gray area. It's called copyright infringement. Just because nobody has been prosecuted doesn't make it legal. LOL.
Your not grasping the concept here are you.
If there is no law against something its not illegal and only becomes illegal if a law against it is made.
Its the reason no one has been prosecuted. |
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greendragon
Premium
join:2003-09-20
Stewartville, MN
| reply to BF69
Streaming or downloading is the same, at least as it pertains to this discussion. You are using bandwidth either way.
I don't think the OP mentioned if he had cable or not, but I for one do not. while I do not stream 7 hours a day, I can certainly see reaching the cap with multiple people using 1 connection the same as I do.
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to jjaromin
said by jjaromin :Extremely unfair. I have DirecTV which is using your broadband connection for VOD programming. I download several free HD movies a month using this service, as well as alot more SD programming. I have 3 DVRs that are utilized by different people throughout the house with their own content and tastes. This is all legal content that could easily surpass most proposed limits that cable companies are talking about. Well DirectTv better find another way to handle VOD or strike a deal with ISPs. It's a simple as that. Oh here's a solution, it's called TWO WAY satelite. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to greendragon
said by greendragon :I think that is an unfair remark. There are plenty of free streaming sites. Just because you can afford one thing doesn't mean you can afford another. He said he DOWNLOADED 130-150 GB a month he didn't say he STREAMED 130-150 GB worth of content. If people are going to talk about stuff they really to use the correct terminology. Streams from FREE site typically aren't over 1.5 Mbps so he'd have to stream 7 hours a day. Man he has a a lot of free time. Also if I was streaming TV 7 hours a day why even bother having cable? |
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deltasigma
@teksavvy.com | reply to TigerLord
Four-person family, all with different tastes. That sound like a more reasonable reason to consume that much bandwidth?
That's what we've got here. |
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mordin
42 inches of 1080p
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join:2005-05-28
Moncton, NB
| reply to pfak
said by pfak :How is TV show downloading legal in Canada? There is no exemption for format or time shifting in the Canadian Copyright Act, nor is there a levy that pays production companies. We pay a levy on ALL recordable media, blank CDs, DVDs, tapes etc. The music industry in Canada went to court to try and get judgements like in the states. The court ruled that since they got the government to impose the levy they were being compensated for music downloads and couldn't go after downloaders. The ruling covers downloading music. Movies & TV shows became a gray area that got lumped in as 'sort of' included. As of yet, no one has tried to test it in a Canadian court to get it overturned. As it stands about the only ones the police will go after is major bootleggers mass producing & selling their copies.
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | reply to Nightfall
then shut up.
Don't comment on others download habbits, it's not polite. |
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MicaTurbo
join:2001-08-27
Ottawa, ON
| reply to Nightfall
said by Nightfall :said by backness :care to put your money where your mouth is? What money? Where did I mention money or a bet? Oh, thats right, I didn't. Umm..he never said you mentioned money. He implied that you are spewing bs out of your mouth (or i guess ur fingers :P), and asking you if you'd like to back up your statement with cash..as in a bet.. |
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TigerLord
Resident Pentaxian
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join:2002-06-09
Montreal
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So why do they allow the sale of PVR and DVD Recording machines in Canada then?
So all the people who taped shows to a VHS all those years were infringing on the copyrights of the shows? |
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pfak
Premium
join:2002-12-29
Canada
·Shaw
| reply to TigerLord
said by TigerLord :So because it is no covered in the act it's illegal? It's a gray area if anything. No, it's really not a gray area. It's called copyright infringement. Just because nobody has been prosecuted doesn't make it legal. |
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TigerLord
Resident Pentaxian
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join:2002-06-09
Montreal | reply to pfak
So because it is no covered in the act it's illegal?
It's a gray area if anything. |
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pfak
Premium
join:2002-12-29
Canada
·Shaw
| reply to TigerLord
said by TigerLord :You are allowed to digitally record something on a PVR. You are allowed to digitally record something on a DVD using DVD Recorder for TV. Really, where? There are no fair use provisions in our current copyright act. |
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TigerLord
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join:2002-06-09
Montreal
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You are allowed to digitally record something on a PVR.
You are allowed to digitally record something on a DVD using DVD Recorder for TV.
You are allowed to pass on that DVD to friends or acquaintances for their viewing pleasure, as long as you do not charge them for it.
So how is sharing it online any different from the above? |
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pfak
Premium
join:2002-12-29
Canada
·Shaw
| reply to TigerLord
How is TV show downloading legal in Canada? There is no exemption for format or time shifting in the Canadian Copyright Act, nor is there a levy that pays production companies.
Our exemptions only apply to Music at best.
Please provide me a link or some kind of reference to prove otherwise. |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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| reply to backness
said by backness :care to put your money where your mouth is? What money? Where did I mention money or a bet? Oh, thats right, I didn't. |
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