Rogers Starts Billing For Overages in July > haha

reply to TigerLord

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He said movies.

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do you get tv from bittorrent as i do, its easy for me to do 130-150GB a month JUST for me watching tv

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I highly doubt Rogers wants to encourage you in your illegal activities!

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How am I being an ass? For weeks, if not months, stories have been popping up about tier packages, enforcing caps, both in the US and Canada.

He said he did 150GB of bittorenting TV shows. All standard encodes are 350MB, 720p ones, which I get, are 1.5GB. Even if did get only 720p HD encodes of legal tv shows recording, that's a 100 hows, or 25 per week. That's hardly believable.

Last week, on another story, someone said he was disgusted at Comcast wanting to enforce caps and it was not sufficient for him as he did 400GB+ per month, or people whining about the throttling.

Look at it from a business' point of view and you might understand the logistics and costs. Hop on the Tekksavvy forums, where almost all canadian heavy users now are, and R0cky explained how it worked. A user doing 500GB per month, be it legal or not, is not solvable for a company.

Why are you surprised? Rogers is simply jumping on the bandwagon and it won't stop there for other ISP. Let us not by hypocritical asses and pretend that "we can easily do 200GB in Linux distros downloading and what else". Anyone who did not see it coming was shortsighted.

We have to adapt. There is Tekksavvy for those who refuse to lower their downloading habbits. If like you you want to download your movies (legal or not) instead of buying them, you'll have to buy less per month or find an alternative.

That's the way it is, sorry to disappoint.

Am I going to judge people's downloading habits? No. Not so long ago I also downloaded 200GB per month. But the money we all save from P2P, setting the legal debate aside, I find it very ironic people DARE to whine at companies trying to enforce caps, which is extremely logic.

As long as they do not breach contracts or try to kill their competitors like Bell is doing, it's all fair game.

reply to greendragon

He wasn't refering to using a torrent when he made that remark. He was talking about the amount you could download per month.

I don't think it is a bittorrent from cinemanow, but I could be wrong.
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reply to TigerLord
This is why:

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I highly doubt Rogers wants to encourage you in your illegal activities!

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reply to greendragon
You are right that TV shows downloading is legal, at least here in Canada, and I even do it to get the HD episodes I do not get here in Canada! I average 50GB a month, with 7-8 shows a week, with 720p HD encodes. I'm not denying that.

But even then 150GB is a far stretch and the quality of episodes on sites like ABC, CTV, NBC, etc, the quality is around 500kbit/sec at those resolutions, you'd need even more than 200 viewings of shows like this to approach the 150GB mark.

I have to say though, I find encouraging those kind of DRM-media distribution sites is a worse offense on the moral code than downloading tv shows, even movies.

reply to BF69
I think that is an unfair remark. There are plenty of free streaming sites. Just because you can afford one thing doesn't mean you can afford another.
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reply to TigerLord
I see what you are saying as far as 150GB being a stretch for most people. However, you should consider the internet TV migration in its infancy. In another 1-2 these caps will seem smothering to a lot more people.
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That I completely agree with.

Those caps aren't realistic for 15mbit connections.

The future lies in broadband media distribution. Hopefully soon we will be able to download DRM-free Bluray movies.

Things will need to change a lot before that happens!

reply to BF69
Extremely unfair. I have DirecTV which is using your broadband connection for VOD programming. I download several free HD movies a month using this service, as well as alot more SD programming. I have 3 DVRs that are utilized by different people throughout the house with their own content and tastes. This is all legal content that could easily surpass most proposed limits that cable companies are talking about.

reply to TigerLord
How is TV show downloading legal in Canada? There is no exemption for format or time shifting in the Canadian Copyright Act, nor is there a levy that pays production companies.

Our exemptions only apply to Music at best.

Please provide me a link or some kind of reference to prove otherwise.

You are allowed to digitally record something on a PVR.
You are allowed to digitally record something on a DVD using DVD Recorder for TV.

You are allowed to pass on that DVD to friends or acquaintances for their viewing pleasure, as long as you do not charge them for it.

So how is sharing it online any different from the above?

So because it is no covered in the act it's illegal?

It's a gray area if anything.

So why do they allow the sale of PVR and DVD Recording machines in Canada then?

So all the people who taped shows to a VHS all those years were infringing on the copyrights of the shows?

reply to TigerLord
Four-person family, all with different tastes. That sound like a more reasonable reason to consume that much bandwidth?

That's what we've got here.

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