 TigerLordResident pentaxianPremium,Mod
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Re: haha You are right that TV shows downloading is legal, at least here in Canada, and I even do it to get the HD episodes I do not get here in Canada! I average 50GB a month, with 7-8 shows a week, with 720p HD encodes. I'm not denying that.
But even then 150GB is a far stretch and the quality of episodes on sites like ABC, CTV, NBC, etc, the quality is around 500kbit/sec at those resolutions, you'd need even more than 200 viewings of shows like this to approach the 150GB mark.
I have to say though, I find encouraging those kind of DRM-media distribution sites is a worse offense on the moral code than downloading tv shows, even movies. |
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| I see what you are saying as far as 150GB being a stretch for most people. However, you should consider the internet TV migration in its infancy. In another 1-2 these caps will seem smothering to a lot more people.
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TigerLordResident pentaxianPremium,Mod
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| That I completely agree with.
Those caps aren't realistic for 15mbit connections.
The future lies in broadband media distribution. Hopefully soon we will be able to download DRM-free Bluray movies.
Things will need to change a lot before that happens! |
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How is TV show downloading legal in Canada? There is no exemption for format or time shifting in the Canadian Copyright Act, nor is there a levy that pays production companies.
Our exemptions only apply to Music at best.
Please provide me a link or some kind of reference to prove otherwise. |
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TigerLordResident pentaxianPremium,Mod
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| You are allowed to digitally record something on a PVR.
You are allowed to digitally record something on a DVD using DVD Recorder for TV.
You are allowed to pass on that DVD to friends or acquaintances for their viewing pleasure, as long as you do not charge them for it.
So how is sharing it online any different from the above? |
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| said by TigerLord:You are allowed to digitally record something on a PVR. You are allowed to digitally record something on a DVD using DVD Recorder for TV. Really, where? There are no fair use provisions in our current copyright act. |
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TigerLordResident pentaxianPremium,Mod
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kudos:6 | So because it is no covered in the act it's illegal?
It's a gray area if anything. |
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| said by TigerLord:So because it is no covered in the act it's illegal? It's a gray area if anything. No, it's really not a gray area. It's called copyright infringement. Just because nobody has been prosecuted doesn't make it legal. |
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1 edit | So why do they allow the sale of PVR and DVD Recording machines in Canada then?
So all the people who taped shows to a VHS all those years were infringing on the copyrights of the shows? |
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said by pfak:How is TV show downloading legal in Canada? There is no exemption for format or time shifting in the Canadian Copyright Act, nor is there a levy that pays production companies. We pay a levy on ALL recordable media, blank CDs, DVDs, tapes etc. The music industry in Canada went to court to try and get judgements like in the states. The court ruled that since they got the government to impose the levy they were being compensated for music downloads and couldn't go after downloaders. The ruling covers downloading music. Movies & TV shows became a gray area that got lumped in as 'sort of' included. As of yet, no one has tried to test it in a Canadian court to get it overturned. As it stands about the only ones the police will go after is major bootleggers mass producing & selling their copies.
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said by pfak:said by TigerLord:So because it is no covered in the act it's illegal? It's a gray area if anything. No, it's really not a gray area. It's called copyright infringement. Just because nobody has been prosecuted doesn't make it legal. LOL.
Your not grasping the concept here are you.
If there is no law against something its not illegal and only becomes illegal if a law against it is made.
Its the reason no one has been prosecuted. |
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| said by davidbrown:If there is no law against something its not illegal and only becomes illegal if a law against it is made. Its the reason no one has been prosecuted. The thing is, there is a law against it. You are not permitted to redistribute copyrighted works without written permission of the copyright holder.
There is an exemption for Music, there is no exemption for TV shows or Movies. |
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1 edit | said by pfak:said by davidbrown:If there is no law against something its not illegal and only becomes illegal if a law against it is made. Its the reason no one has been prosecuted. The thing is, there is a law against it. You are not permitted to redistribute copyrighted works without written permission of the copyright holder. There is an exemption for Music, there is no exemption for TV shows or Movies. Ohh you mean the one were the broadcasting rights belong to owners in the states?
Bell actually owns none of the programing rights and the same goes for rogers.
Its actually their own fault in how they worded it and none of our present copyright laws cover the present state of things.
Its the same basic problem that happened with small amounts of weed sometime back, thanks to the goverments foolishness we ended up with no law that covered things.
Not to say local broadcasts aren't covered but for the most part they tend to be free anyway. |
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said by pfak:said by davidbrown:If there is no law against something its not illegal and only becomes illegal if a law against it is made. Its the reason no one has been prosecuted. The thing is, there is a law against it. You are not permitted to redistribute copyrighted works without written permission of the copyright holder. There is an exemption for Music, there is no exemption for TV shows or Movies. You missed a part - you need written consent if it involves public viewing, multiple copies/mass distribution, or any monetary gain. If it is only for personal use, you're fine. As for sharing it, you must have never lent anything to anybody in your life, because there's nothing wrong with that in my eyes.
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