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MacLeech
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Re: [TWC] Road Runner Newsgroups Discontinued


No mention of child porn for the shut down... it was low usage.
said by kfsutops See Profile :

As a business I understand why they are getting rid of them. They shouldn't say it's for child porn because that is BS.
Here's the notice on help.rr.com found here:
»help.rr.com/HMSFaqs/e_newsgroups···ion.aspx

Mad Mac

join:2003-03-10
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reply to hobgoblin
said by hobgoblin See Profile :

Newsgroups are only being used for nefarious activities anyway and that fits into this site well.
Please explain what is nefarious about uk.railway and alt.tv.tech.hdtv.


hobgoblin
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reply to kfsutops
Can You show me the statement that TW made about Child Porn? We have one poster in this thread saying that.....I dont see any statement from TW that mentions that.

"But something you guys have never understood is perceived value to the customer.'

A perceived value to a very small percentage of the user base.If less than 1% of Mcdonalds customers ate a Chicken Fatboy sandwich do you think they would continue to offer it? Even if those customers perceived it to be the reason they walk in the door?

Keep thinking business.

Hob
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Xizer

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said by hobgoblin See Profile :

Can You show me the statement that TW made about Child Porn? We have one poster in this thread saying that.....I dont see any statement from TW that mentions that.
»www.nytimes.com/2008/06/10/nyreg···net.html

Time Warner's "public" reason why they're discontinuing Usenet service in a pathetic attempt to make people side with them.

said by MacLeech See Profile :

said by kfsutops See Profile :

As a business I understand why they are getting rid of them. They shouldn't say it's for child porn because that is BS.
Here's the notice on help.rr.com found here:
»help.rr.com/HMSFaqs/e_newsgroups···ion.aspx
Time Warner's "hidden" reason why they're discontinuing Usenet service to shield them from lawsuits and help justify themselves to the more technical readers who actually read their FAQs.


kfsutops
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said by MacLeech See Profile :

said by kfsutops See Profile :

As a business I understand why they are getting rid of them. They shouldn't say it's for child porn because that is BS.
Here's the notice on help.rr.com found here:
»help.rr.com/HMSFaqs/e_newsgroups···ion.aspx
Come on. You don't really believe that is the reason do you? I understand that is the "corporate FAQ" regarding the reason. If that was the reason why didn't they just tell the dude in NY that they were getting rid of them in the first place?

Seems that it would have been a lot easier than paying money.

And thanks. I was looking for what is said on the website (admittedly I didn't look too hard).
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scots
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reply to Endian
A lot of ISP's have dumped Usenet and many of them did it several years ago, so it doesn't surprise me that Road Runner is doing so also. I quit using Road Runner's usenet access and subscribed to Giganews a long time ago because I never had anything but problems with Road Runner's usenet service.


hobgoblin
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said by Mad Mac See Profile :

said by hobgoblin See Profile :

Newsgroups are only being used for nefarious activities anyway and that fits into this site well.
Please explain what is nefarious about uk.railway and alt.tv.tech.hdtv.
Nothing...however you dont need TW newsgroup access to read these groups

»groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.railway/topics

»groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.tv···v/topics

If i have time I will research how many times these groups were accessed by TW customers

Hob
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vick04

join:2006-08-06
South Richmond Hill, NY


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reply to Endian
This article:
»www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/10···ackdown/

HAS nothing to do with the closing of the usenet servers. The link between child porn and usenet was made when someone in the first few posts decided that there was a link. There is no proof that this is the reason. All it was is a assumption by one of the users here.

Sadly this is yet another example of someone reporting something as news without doing their research.


hobgoblin
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reply to Xizer
Geez

Time Warners "Public reason" as posted on their website (you posted the link) is because no one uses them.

You posted another link from the NY Times that contains no quotes from any TW employees.

Please at least stick to facts

Hob
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Xizer

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said by vick04 See Profile :

This article:
»www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/10···ackdown/

HAS nothing to do with the closing of the usenet servers. The link between child porn and usenet was made when someone in the first few posts decided that there was a link. There is no proof that this is the reason. All it was is a assumption by one of the users here.
You're late, pal.

»www.nytimes.com/2008/06/10/nyreg···net.html

said by NY Times :
The companies have agreed to shut down access to newsgroups that traffic in pornographic images of children on one of the oldest outposts of the Internet, known as Usenet.
Here's what I'm worried about now:

said by NY Times :
The providers will also cut off access to Web sites that traffic in child pornography.
What the hell does this even mean? Sites that traffic in child pornography? How is that even determined? Have fun having access to any site that allows a user to upload their own content blocked, TWC, Verizon and Sprint customers!

said by hobgoblin See Profile :

Please at least stick to facts
Are you saying that the New York Times is lying?

Will you, as a Time Warner Cable employee, go on the record right now and say that this is false and that supposed child pornography is absolutely not a factor for Time Warner removing Usenet access?


hobgoblin
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This is about usenet, please try to keep on topic.

There is a thread on the front page to debate that.

Hob
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Xizer

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said by hobgoblin See Profile :

This is about usenet, please try to keep on topic.

There is a thread on the front page to debate that.

Hob
My post is about Usenet.

said by Xizer :
Are you saying that the New York Times is lying?

Will you, as a Time Warner Cable employee, go on the record right now and say that this is false and that supposed child pornography is absolutely not a factor for Time Warner removing Usenet access?



hobgoblin
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reply to Xizer
"Will you, as a Time Warner Cable employee, go on the record right now and say that this is false and that supposed child pornography is absolutely not a factor for Time Warner removing Usenet access?"

I will point you to the link YOU posted on help.rr.com

That is TW's public statement.

No one else has shown me anything that would contradict that made by the company.

Hob
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
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vick04

join:2006-08-06
South Richmond Hill, NY


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said by Xizer See Profile :

said by vick04 See Profile :

This article:
»www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/10···ackdown/

HAS nothing to do with the closing of the usenet servers. The link between child porn and usenet was made when someone in the first few posts decided that there was a link. There is no proof that this is the reason. All it was is a assumption by one of the users here.
You're late, pal.

»www.nytimes.com/2008/06/10/nyreg···net.html

It says "The companies have agreed to shut down access to newsgroups that traffic in pornographic images of children on one of the oldest outposts of the Internet, known as Usenet."

Sorry to disappoint you but that means they agreed to shut down certain groups that do those sort of things. That article says nothing about completely shutting down usenet. You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.


Xizer

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

reply to hobgoblin
said by hobgoblin See Profile :

"Will you, as a Time Warner Cable employee, go on the record right now and say that this is false and that supposed child pornography is absolutely not a factor for Time Warner removing Usenet access?"

I will point you to the link YOU posted on help.rr.com

That is TW's public statement.

No one else has shown me anything that would contradict that made by the company.

Hob
You're right. There is absolutely nothing contradictory about hundreds of high profile news organizations stating that Time Warner Cable is removing their Usenet access for child pornography reasons.

I knew you would avoid the question. Soooo predictable.


Xizer

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said by vick04 See Profile :

said by Xizer See Profile :

said by vick04 See Profile :

This article:
»www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/10···ackdown/

HAS nothing to do with the closing of the usenet servers. The link between child porn and usenet was made when someone in the first few posts decided that there was a link. There is no proof that this is the reason. All it was is a assumption by one of the users here.
You're late, pal.

»www.nytimes.com/2008/06/10/nyreg···net.html

It says "The companies have agreed to shut down access to newsgroups that traffic in pornographic images of children on one of the oldest outposts of the Internet, known as Usenet."

Sorry to disappoint you but that means they agreed to shut down certain groups that do those sort of things. That article says nothing about completely shutting down usenet. You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
Haha yeah because Time Warner is just shutting down a handful of their newsgroups on June 23rd instead of every one of them.

NOT.

said by The Register :
With an investigation that dates back at least six months, Cuomo's office uncovered 88 internet newsgroups containing more than 11,000 "sexually lewd photos featuring prepubescent children". And it found that Time Warner, Sprint, and Verizon provided access to many of these online bulletin boards.

The three net providers have now agreed to eliminate this access, and Time Warner has shut off all its newsgroups.

Well, shit.

vick04

join:2006-08-06
South Richmond Hill, NY

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Xizer

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said by vick04 See Profile :

This is your OPINION. Please stop trying to turn your opinion into fact. You had allot of people thinking that there was some sort of link when there is NONE.

I HIGHLY recommend that you check out this site
»hooked-on-phonics.com/
You're doing a horrible job unlinking the two after my numerous posts about reputable news organizations that do link the two. Good job putting a link to Hooked on Phonics in your post, that's really helping your case.

Are you and hobgoblin part of the team Time Warner has assigned to try and limit consumer outrage over this or something?

By the way: "allot." Really? Allot? You're the guy who's linking me to Hooked on Phonics?

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said by vick04 See Profile :

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Too slow editing your post there, buddy. I already called you on it.


hobgoblin
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reply to Xizer
"I knew you would avoid the question. Soooo predictable."

I am in no position to make public statements which is what you asked.

If you look back earlier in the week the story about the removal of newsgroups was posted on the Front page before the NY AG tried to rope the two things in together.

Of course Newsgroup access will be available to anyone who decides to use any 3rd party usenet servers.

Hob
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson


Xizer

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New York, NY

said by hobgoblin See Profile :

"I knew you would avoid the question. Soooo predictable."

I am in no position to make public statements which is what you asked.

If you look back earlier in the week the story about the removal of newsgroups was posted on the Front page before the NY AG tried to rope the two things in together.

Of course Newsgroup access will be available to anyone who decides to use any 3rd party usenet servers.

Hob
How is he "roping the two things in together" when a Time Warner Cable employee was present at a press conference where the New York Attorney General announced that this was the reason Time Warner Cable was removing all their subscribers' Usenet access?
»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···547.html


said by Washington Post :
New York Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo, at the podium, is joined at the announcement by, from left, Matthew Sullivan of Sprint Nextel, Jeff Zimmerman of Time Warner Cable and Tom Daly of Verizon.
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