hobgoblin
Sortof Agoblin
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join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
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Re: [TWC] Road Runner Newsgroups Discontinued
"Are you and hobgoblin part of the team Time Warner has assigned to try and limit consumer outrage over this or something?'
Grin.
I am still looking for consumer outrage!
In fact I am still looking through your posts for some facts.
If less than 1% of any business's customers base uses something it would make great business sense to get rid of it. Yes I understand your frustration BUT .....
Hob
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
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vick04
join:2006-08-06
South Richmond Hill, NY
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said by Xizer  :said by vick04 :This is your OPINION. Please stop trying to turn your opinion into fact. You had allot of people thinking that there was some sort of link when there is NONE. I HIGHLY recommend that you check out this site » hooked-on-phonics.com/ You're doing a horrible job unlinking the two after my numerous posts about reputable news organizations that do link the two. Good job putting a link to Hooked on Phonics in your post, that's really helping your case. Are you and hobgoblin part of the team Time Warner has assigned to try and limit consumer outrage over this or something? By the way: "allot." Really? Allot? You're the guy who's linking me to Hooked on Phonics?  Edit: said by vick04 :. Too slow editing your post there, buddy. I already called you on it. Your right  I concede...back to the topic...
Can anyone tell me what im going to be missing besides the access to copyrighted material? The company's Time Warner listed as alternatives charge $5 and up for Usenet access. Whats worth paying a min of $5 a month and is not illegal? text conversations? come on.. |
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
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said by hobgoblin :"Are you and hobgoblin part of the team Time Warner has assigned to try and limit consumer outrage over this or something?' I am still looking for consumer outrage! In fact I am still looking through your posts for some facts. Here's a comment from a concerned consumer on Reddit:
said by rinse :
I can attest to the fact that Time Warner's Usenet service (Newshosting) is quite nice -- so much better than Comcast, the previous cable operator in my market.
Modded up for calling bullshit. I also immediately suspected Time Warner's using this as an excuse to cut cost.
This, on the heels of the bandwidth cap news, also forces me to gear up and switch to a competitor... I don't know who that may be, though. Time to shop around, I guess.
Fuck you, Time Warner.
Just thought I'd share. I am still looking through your posts for some comments that aren't from an employee dodging the issues and damage controlling.
Oh, and you seem to have missed my previous post. Here, I'll post it again for you! Now read carefully, and see if you can spot the facts:
said by hobgoblin :"I knew you would avoid the question. Soooo predictable." I am in no position to make public statements which is what you asked. If you look back earlier in the week the story about the removal of newsgroups was posted on the Front page before the NY AG tried to rope the two things in together. Of course Newsgroup access will be available to anyone who decides to use any 3rd party usenet servers. Hob How is he "roping the two things in together" when a Time Warner Cable employee was present at a press conference where the New York Attorney General announced that this was the reason Time Warner Cable was removing all their subscribers' Usenet access?
»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···547.html
said by Washington Post :
New York Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo, at the podium, is joined at the announcement by, from left, Matthew Sullivan of Sprint Nextel, Jeff Zimmerman of Time Warner Cable and Tom Daly of Verizon.
said by vick04 :Can anyone tell me what im going to be missing besides the access to copyrighted material? The company's Time Warner listed as alternatives charge $5 and up for Usenet access. Whats worth paying a min of $5 a month and is not illegal? text conversations? come on.. Judging from hobgoblin's coy little post above, you two seem to be working with another.
Tell me: Are you going to lower our monthly bills over there at Time Warner for this service you have just removed from us, or did you just downgrade our service for your own profit?
I think we all already know the answer to that question, but let's see it ignored anyway. |
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Rook008
Miles To Go
join:2002-02-05
Far Rockaway, NY | reply to Endian
I've always liked RoadRunner, but this sucks.
Outrage! Outrage! |
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Mad Mac
join:2003-03-10
Moorpark, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
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said by hobgoblin :I am still looking for consumer outrage! In fact I am still looking through your posts for some facts. If less than 1% of any business's customers base uses something it would make great business sense to get rid of it. Yes I understand your frustration BUT ..... You are former Iraqi Minister of Information Mohammed Saeed-al-Sharaf, now known as "Buffalo Bob", and I claim my pair of Foster Grants.
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rcdailey
Dragoonfly
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join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA
2 edits | Whatever happened to that guy?
Oh, I see from Wikipedia that he is supposed to be living with his family in the UAE. Nice.
Maybe the person or persons at TWC who decided to dump usenet can go there, too. |
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smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home
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said by Xizer :Time Warner has over 7 million Usenet subscribers. I'm going to say... no.
It's already public knowledge that after the Adelphia merger that Time Warner cable has around 15 million cable TV subscribers. Who in their right mind would think that half of all those are usenet "subscribers?" |
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
3 edits | said by smcallah :said by Xizer :Time Warner has over 7 million Usenet subscribers. I'm going to say... no. It's already public knowledge that after the Adelphia merger that Time Warner cable has around 15 million cable TV subscribers. Who in their right mind would think that half of all those are usenet "subscribers?" Someone who is aware of the fact that every single person who subscribes to their Internet service is also subscribing to a Usenet service by proxy because Time Warner provides all of their Internet subscribers with outsourced Newshosting.com Usenet access.
Whether they're actually taking advantage of this service and using it or not doesn't mean they're not "subscribed" to it.
Try reading the thread next time.  |
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smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home
| said by Xizer :Someone who is aware of the fact that every single person who subscribes to their Internet service is also subscribing to a Usenet service by proxy because Time Warner provides all of their Internet subscribers with outsourced Newshosting.com Usenet access. Whether they're actually taking advantage of this service and using it or not doesn't mean they're not "subscribed" to it. Try reading the thread next time. Yes, I read the thread, that doesn't make the comment any less stupid because of semantics. And THAT is why I was commenting. And it does matter that no one is using it. RoadRunner shut down video mail, or whatever the crap that was a few months ago. I didn't see the uproar for the 7 million "subscribers" then.
Thanks for telling me to "try reading." So original. |
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
| said by smcallah :said by Xizer :Someone who is aware of the fact that every single person who subscribes to their Internet service is also subscribing to a Usenet service by proxy because Time Warner provides all of their Internet subscribers with outsourced Newshosting.com Usenet access. Whether they're actually taking advantage of this service and using it or not doesn't mean they're not "subscribed" to it. Try reading the thread next time. Yes, I read the thread, that doesn't make the comment any less stupid because of semantics. And THAT is why I was commenting. And it does matter that no one is using it. RoadRunner shut down video mail, or whatever the crap that was a few months ago. I didn't see the uproar for the 7 million "subscribers" then. Thanks for telling me to "try reading." So original. Are you really being a Time Warner apologist?
Especially when there's pretty much nothing defensible about taking away features from us. |
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MacLeech
The one and only
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal
1 edit | reply to Xizer
said by Xizer :Are you going to lower our monthly bills over there at Time Warner for this service you have just removed from us, or did you just downgrade our service for your own profit? How about option 3, they reallocate money and equipment of a discontinued service few subscribers used that took a disproportionately large bandwidth budget to support to something more important to a larger percentage of customers, all while not increasing rates for the service. It's call budgeting.
BTW, did you actually use the usenet service RR offered? Also, if you don't mind, could you tell us what you got from it and describe the quality of the usenet service provided? |
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jarschmi
join:2007-07-18
Milwaukee, WI | reply to Endian
This is OUTRAGEOUS. This is because of the porn case in NY, not TWC's own idea. |
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
| reply to MacLeech
Re: [TWC] Road Runner Newsgroups Discontinued
said by MacLeech :said by Xizer :Are you going to lower our monthly bills over there at Time Warner for this service you have just removed from us, or did you just downgrade our service for your own profit? How about option 3, they reallocate money and equipment of a discontinued service few subscribers used that took a disproportionately large bandwidth budget to support to something more important to a larger percentage of customers, all while not increasing rates for the service. It's call budgeting. BTW, did you actually use the usenet service RR offered? Also, if you don't mind, could you tell us what you got from it and describe the quality of the usenet service provided? Your option 3 is broken, let's fix it.
Option 3: Everyone who used Usenet heavily gets a third party solution or starts using torrents more heavily, using the same amount of bandwidth and now using more upload bandwidth as well to maintain ratios on those torrents.
As a matter of fact, I did use RR's Usenet service, and I have downloaded over 500 GB from it according to my Newsbin total. It was as good as a third party solution. |
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Pizz
Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
 ·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
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I never did any newsgroups - but if this helps with QoS on the network, i'm fine with that. If there is proof that newsgroups were causing it.
It's funny caps are being tested, but RR just sent me a email for RR Music - unlimited downloads for 9.99 a month, 14.95 a month if i decide to port my legal downloadable music to a MP3 player.
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Rombus
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join:2007-04-11
Columbus, OH
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said by Xizer :Option 3: Everyone who used Usenet heavily gets a third party solution or starts using torrents more heavily, using the same amount of bandwidth and now using more upload bandwidth as well to maintain ratios on those torrents. Wait, didn't you just say earlier that not all Usenet users are using it for copyright material? Legal sharing of torrents (Linux, etc) wont cause the same hit that the illegal torrents do, simply because there are not as many of them. Also most content avalible via legal torrents also has an equivalent http or ftp source.
I love this argument by the way, i mean boiling it down, your attempting to argue your point by saying TWC should allow you to continue to break the law. |
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ptrowski
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join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
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| said by Rombus :said by Xizer :Option 3: Everyone who used Usenet heavily gets a third party solution or starts using torrents more heavily, using the same amount of bandwidth and now using more upload bandwidth as well to maintain ratios on those torrents. Wait, didn't you just say earlier that not all Usenet users are using it for copyright material? Legal sharing of torrents (Linux, etc) wont cause the same hit that the illegal torrents do, simply because there are not as many of them. Also most content avalible via legal torrents also has an equivalent http or ftp source. I love this argument by the way, i mean boiling it down, your attempting to argue your point by saying TWC should allow you to continue to break the law. Rombus for the win! |
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Baseline
join:2001-02-26
Buffalo, NY | reply to Mad Mac
Priceless. lmao |
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MacLeech
The one and only
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal
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said by Xizer :As a matter of fact, I did use RR's Usenet service, and I have downloaded over 500 GB from it according to my Newsbin total. It was as good as a third party solution. May I suggest a free 3rd party solution for you:
»groups.google.com/ |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
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said by MacLeech :said by Xizer :Are you going to lower our monthly bills over there at Time Warner for this service you have just removed from us, or did you just downgrade our service for your own profit? How about option 3, they reallocate money and equipment of a discontinued service few subscribers used that took a disproportionately large bandwidth budget to support to something more important to a larger percentage of customers, all while not increasing rates for the service. It's call budgeting. How about option 4. Be honest about your operating expenses. Reduce monthly rates for eliminating this service, and justify future rate increases on their own merit.
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