said by rcdailey :

How many customers will be driven away? TWC must have an idea of how many usenet subscribers they currently have. Is usenet the big draw for FiOS, where that is available? The number of customers TWC will lose may not cost them as much as they will save by simply not having to support usenet either via their own servers or by outsourcing. At some level, the bean counters win and the customers lose. I wonder what Calvin Coolidge would think?

said by Xizer :

Time Warner has over 7 million Usenet subscribers.

said by djrobx :

AT&T/SBC/Pacbell has never really had binary usenet service to speak of anyway. DSLExtreme offers good, albeit slow, binary newsgroup service.

said by rcdailey :

Then I guess we will see how many switch to some other ISP. I'm one of the 7 million, but I'm not going to bother switching from TWC to AT&T DSL (which is all I could get here, no FiOS, not even U-verse).

said by damicatz :

And this is why I'm getting a bonded T1.

It may be slower and it may be more expensive but it's not run by a bunch of Orwellian fascists that dictate what I can and cannot do with the internet connection that I PAID FOR.

said by antdude :

How much is it? Is bonded same as fractal?

said by MacLeech :

Fractal is partial T1 or a T1 broken into multiple connections.

Bonded is multiple T1s together.

said by damicatz :

And this is why I'm getting a bonded T1.

It may be slower and it may be more expensive but it's not run by a bunch of Orwellian fascists that dictate what I can and cannot do with the internet connection that I PAID FOR.

said by damicatz :

No a T1 does not provide Newsgroups. But they don't lie to you either.

Time Warner's newsgroups were always crap. I'm more irritated about the fact that they seem to take me for a fool and that I'm supposed to believe the reasons they give for discontinuing them.

There is also the matter of the censorship. In the same paragraph, Time Warner stated that they both don't censor websites and will happily block access to websites on the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children s list of "dangerous" websites. If you are going to lie, at least separate the lies out into different paragraphs.

I don't like the idea of an independent body with no oversight having arbitrary discretion on what constitutes a dangerous website.

And of course, there is the bandwidth tiering. Perhaps if Roadrunner would stop increasing the speed cap on the modems without upgrading their infrastructure first, they would not be having so many issues.

A dual-bonded T1 (Approx. 3mbps both ways) costs roughly $600 a month in my area. But it's worth every penny. No censorship. No bandwidth tiers. 24/7/365 service and the data rate is guaranteed through an SLA (if your connection is running below the speed you are paying for, they will come out and fix it). Of course, you can also go the UNE route and then it's much cheaper.

I currently pay Time Warner roughly $250 a month (multiple digital cable boxes, digital phone, Roadrunner Turbo/Premium). It's looking like it's time to scrap all of that

said by damicatz :

No a T1 does not provide Newsgroups. But they don't lie to you either.

Time Warner's newsgroups were always crap. I'm more irritated about the fact that they seem to take me for a fool and that I'm supposed to believe the reasons they give for discontinuing them.

There is also the matter of the censorship. In the same paragraph, Time Warner stated that they both don't censor websites and will happily block access to websites on the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children s list of "dangerous" websites. If you are going to lie, at least separate the lies out into different paragraphs.

I don't like the idea of an independent body with no oversight having arbitrary discretion on what constitutes a dangerous website.

And of course, there is the bandwidth tiering. Perhaps if Roadrunner would stop increasing the speed cap on the modems without upgrading their infrastructure first, they would not be having so many issues.

A dual-bonded T1 (Approx. 3mbps both ways) costs roughly $600 a month in my area. But it's worth every penny. No censorship. No bandwidth tiers. 24/7/365 service and the data rate is guaranteed through an SLA (if your connection is running below the speed you are paying for, they will come out and fix it). Of course, you can also go the UNE route and then it's much cheaper.

I currently pay Time Warner roughly $250 a month (multiple digital cable boxes, digital phone, Roadrunner Turbo/Premium). It's looking like it's time to scrap all of that

said by damicatz :

I don't like the idea of an independent body with no oversight having arbitrary discretion on what constitutes a dangerous website.

said by Xizer :

[Time Warner has over 7 million Usenet subscribers.

said by The Vigilante :

These are, of course, the people who tell you that moving a channel to a tier where subscribers now require to rent a digital box is "A channel service level correction"

»www.timewarnercable.com/socal/pr···rts.html

said by hobgoblin :

What?

I have read some inaccurate stuff on here before but that has to be one of the most ludicrous statements I have read.

Try less than 28,000 hits a day.

Hob

said by hobgoblin :

Newsgroups are only being used for nefarious activities anyway and that fits into this site well.

said by Baseline :

You know, I've always tried to respect you for attempting to help the community with their problems.

However, you have a bad problem with constantly trying to put down anyone with the least bit of dissent for this ISP, you endlessly try to squelch debate, and now you go ahead and make a COMPLETELY ASININE AND UNINFORMED comment like that.

I'll have you know that many people, including myself, enjoy newsgroups for freely available LEGAL materials, learning materials, discussions, and many other things. Not everyone is using them for "nefarious activities".

I'd suggest you retract that statement. We all know you work for TW and used to for Adelphia. You've been talking like you're an executive with a stock majority in the company for years, and quite frankly it makes me sick every time I see your stupid little troll icon, because I know there's a good chance the post body will contain your mild trolling efforts.

said by hobgoblin :

Taking an opposite view is not squelching debate. Its encouraging debate. However of course no one wants to debate. You want to trash debate by just saying "this is asinine or uninformed comment"

Go look at Usenet ad tell me what groups have the most posts.
No one needs RR usenet access to access the text groups.

So want to debate facts?
So do you want to debate facts?
or just do what you are accusing me of?

Hob

said by Baseline :

You know, I've always tried to respect you for attempting to help the community with their problems.

However, you have a bad problem with constantly trying to put down anyone with the least bit of dissent for this ISP, you endlessly try to squelch debate, and now you go ahead and make a COMPLETELY ASININE AND UNINFORMED comment like that.

I'll have you know that many people, including myself, enjoy newsgroups for freely available LEGAL materials, learning materials, discussions, and many other things. Not everyone is using them for "nefarious activities".

I'd suggest you retract that statement. We all know you work for TW and used to for Adelphia. You've been talking like you're an executive with a stock majority in the company for years, and quite frankly it makes me sick every time I see your stupid little troll icon, because I know there's a good chance the post body will contain your mild trolling efforts.

said by hobgoblin :

Would it not be better to keep on topic instead of taking personal shots?

Usenet is dead...its touted on line as the last bastion of copyrighted material, the percentage of customers using it is minuscule and it would be better to target resources at something that appeals to the masses.

Hob

said by hobgoblin :

Usenet is dead...its touted on line as the last bastion of copyrighted material, the percentage of customers using it is minuscule and it would be better to target resources at something that appeals to the masses.

Hob

said by kfsutops :

As a business I understand why they are getting rid of them. They shouldn't say it's for child porn because that is BS.

said by MacLeech :

Here's the notice on help.rr.com found here:
»help.rr.com/HMSFaqs/e_newsgroups···ion.aspx

said by hobgoblin :

Newsgroups are only being used for nefarious activities anyway and that fits into this site well.

said by Mad Mac :

Please explain what is nefarious about uk.railway and alt.tv.tech.hdtv.

said by hobgoblin :

Nothing...however you dont need TW newsgroup access to read these groups

»groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.railway/topics

»groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.tv···v/topics

If i have time I will research how many times these groups were accessed by TW customers

Hob

said by Mad Mac :

Please explain what is nefarious about uk.railway and alt.tv.tech.hdtv.

said by hobgoblin :

Of course this site attracts a handful of people that are tech savvy and think that the whole world is like them.

Newsgroups are only being used for nefarious activities anyway and that fits into this site well.

Hob

said by hobgoblin :

There are plenty of places to read text only groups.

Hob

said by Tommyastro :

Bulls^&t. Sure, SOME people use it like that but not all. Stop painting with such a broad brush.

said by Tommyastro :

Bulls^&t. Sure, SOME people use it like that but not all. Stop painting with such a broad brush.

said by hobgoblin :

]Would you like me to post the TOP 25 usenet groups by visitor?

Hint...Thet are ALL Binary Groups.

Hob

said by hobgoblin :

What?

I have read some inaccurate stuff on here before but that has to be one of the most ludicrous statements I have read.

Try less than 28,000 hits a day.

Hob

said by hobgoblin :

Of course this site attracts a handful of people that are tech savvy and think that the whole world is like them.

Newsgroups are only being used for nefarious activities anyway and that fits into this site well.

Hob

said by Xizer :

Time Warner has over 7 million Usenet subscribers.

said by smcallah :

I'm going to say... no.

It's already public knowledge that after the Adelphia merger that Time Warner cable has around 15 million cable TV subscribers. Who in their right mind would think that half of all those are usenet "subscribers?"

said by Xizer :

Someone who is aware of the fact that every single person who subscribes to their Internet service is also subscribing to a Usenet service by proxy because Time Warner provides all of their Internet subscribers with outsourced Newshosting.com Usenet access.

Whether they're actually taking advantage of this service and using it or not doesn't mean they're not "subscribed" to it.

Try reading the thread next time.

said by smcallah :

Yes, I read the thread, that doesn't make the comment any less stupid because of semantics. And THAT is why I was commenting. And it does matter that no one is using it. RoadRunner shut down video mail, or whatever the crap that was a few months ago. I didn't see the uproar for the 7 million "subscribers" then.

Thanks for telling me to "try reading." So original.