rcdailey
Dragoonfly
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join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA
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Re: [TWC] Road Runner Newsgroups Discontinued
said by Xizer  :said by rcdailey :How many customers will be driven away? TWC must have an idea of how many usenet subscribers they currently have. Is usenet the big draw for FiOS, where that is available? The number of customers TWC will lose may not cost them as much as they will save by simply not having to support usenet either via their own servers or by outsourcing. At some level, the bean counters win and the customers lose. I wonder what Calvin Coolidge would think? Time Warner has over 7 million Usenet subscribers. Then I guess we will see how many switch to some other ISP. I'm one of the 7 million, but I'm not going to bother switching from TWC to AT&T DSL (which is all I could get here, no FiOS, not even U-verse). |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | AT&T/SBC/Pacbell has never really had binary usenet service to speak of anyway. DSLExtreme offers good, albeit slow, binary newsgroup service.
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
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said by rcdailey :said by Xizer :said by rcdailey :How many customers will be driven away? TWC must have an idea of how many usenet subscribers they currently have. Is usenet the big draw for FiOS, where that is available? The number of customers TWC will lose may not cost them as much as they will save by simply not having to support usenet either via their own servers or by outsourcing. At some level, the bean counters win and the customers lose. I wonder what Calvin Coolidge would think? Time Warner has over 7 million Usenet subscribers. Then I guess we will see how many switch to some other ISP. I'm one of the 7 million, but I'm not going to bother switching from TWC to AT&T DSL (which is all I could get here, no FiOS, not even U-verse). Perhaps you will change your tune when Time Warner starts the next batch of anti-consumer network regression techniques in the coming months and implements their pathetic 40 GB bandwidth caps on that 7 million after taking away their Usenet access.
I know I'm in the beginning stages of examining the competition; TWC getting rid of their newsgroups is the first step in their coming downfall. |
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Baseline
join:2001-02-26
Buffalo, NY
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Unfortunately I'm compelled to agree that until FIOS is in my area, I won't be switching. The DSL option isn't worth it for the speeds.
I think this is a gigantic mistake on TW's part though, since those that are using the newsgroup service will now just rely more heavily on torrents. Now instead of people using 400KB/s on newsgroups, people will be using their full cap up AND down on torrents to keep ratios.
Very stupid move. They did this to target the bandwidth users, and it's just going to cause them to use more bandwidth. |
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rcdailey
Dragoonfly
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join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA
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said by djrobx :AT&T/SBC/Pacbell has never really had binary usenet service to speak of anyway. DSLExtreme offers good, albeit slow, binary newsgroup service. Yeah, but DSLExtreme isn't offering service in my area, at least not the last time I checked. I'm just a little too far east for their taste. |
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rcdailey
Dragoonfly
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join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA
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I've looked at the competition in my local area, and for broadband it's AT&T and TWC. If you have more options, go with the best of them. It's not impossible that I might switch to AT&T, but then I'd be dealing with their future caps, wouldn't I? Be prepared for one world government and one world ISP. To put it another way, you get two ballots, one green and one red. Pick your favorite color.
Oh, there's always dialup. I actually keep a dialup provider just for those times when cable is down. If I can't afford to keep cable, that's what I will have to settle for. If they stay in business, I'll still have e-mail. Then again, to keep dialup, I have to keep my landline, don't I. |
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damicatz
@rr.com | reply to Xizer
And this is why I'm getting a bonded T1.
It may be slower and it may be more expensive but it's not run by a bunch of Orwellian fascists that dictate what I can and cannot do with the internet connection that I PAID FOR. |
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antdude
A Ninja Ant
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join:2001-03-25
| said by damicatz :
And this is why I'm getting a bonded T1.
It may be slower and it may be more expensive but it's not run by a bunch of Orwellian fascists that dictate what I can and cannot do with the internet connection that I PAID FOR.
How much is it? Is bonded same as fractal? |
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MacLeech
The one and only
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join:2001-07-14
SoCal
| said by antdude :How much is it? Is bonded same as fractal? Fractal is partial T1 or a T1 broken into multiple connections.
Bonded is multiple T1s together. |
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antdude
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join:2001-03-25
| said by MacLeech :said by antdude :How much is it? Is bonded same as fractal? Fractal is partial T1 or a T1 broken into multiple connections. Bonded is multiple T1s together. Thanks. |
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Rombus
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join:2007-04-11
Columbus, OH
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said by damicatz :
And this is why I'm getting a bonded T1.
It may be slower and it may be more expensive but it's not run by a bunch of Orwellian fascists that dictate what I can and cannot do with the internet connection that I PAID FOR.
umm, do you get free newsgroup access with a bonded T1? Or do you still have to use your own?
If its the latter, how are the orwellian fascists dictating what you can and cant do with your connection? They are not blocking anything, just no longer going to provide there users with free newsgroup access. |
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damicatz
@rr.com
| No a T1 does not provide Newsgroups. But they don't lie to you either.
Time Warner's newsgroups were always crap. I'm more irritated about the fact that they seem to take me for a fool and that I'm supposed to believe the reasons they give for discontinuing them.
There is also the matter of the censorship. In the same paragraph, Time Warner stated that they both don't censor websites and will happily block access to websites on the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children s list of "dangerous" websites. If you are going to lie, at least separate the lies out into different paragraphs.
I don't like the idea of an independent body with no oversight having arbitrary discretion on what constitutes a dangerous website.
And of course, there is the bandwidth tiering. Perhaps if Roadrunner would stop increasing the speed cap on the modems without upgrading their infrastructure first, they would not be having so many issues.
A dual-bonded T1 (Approx. 3mbps both ways) costs roughly $600 a month in my area. But it's worth every penny. No censorship. No bandwidth tiers. 24/7/365 service and the data rate is guaranteed through an SLA (if your connection is running below the speed you are paying for, they will come out and fix it). Of course, you can also go the UNE route and then it's much cheaper.
I currently pay Time Warner roughly $250 a month (multiple digital cable boxes, digital phone, Roadrunner Turbo/Premium). It's looking like it's time to scrap all of that |
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Baseline
join:2001-02-26
Buffalo, NY
| said by damicatz :
No a T1 does not provide Newsgroups. But they don't lie to you either.
Time Warner's newsgroups were always crap. I'm more irritated about the fact that they seem to take me for a fool and that I'm supposed to believe the reasons they give for discontinuing them.
There is also the matter of the censorship. In the same paragraph, Time Warner stated that they both don't censor websites and will happily block access to websites on the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children s list of "dangerous" websites. If you are going to lie, at least separate the lies out into different paragraphs.
I don't like the idea of an independent body with no oversight having arbitrary discretion on what constitutes a dangerous website.
And of course, there is the bandwidth tiering. Perhaps if Roadrunner would stop increasing the speed cap on the modems without upgrading their infrastructure first, they would not be having so many issues.
A dual-bonded T1 (Approx. 3mbps both ways) costs roughly $600 a month in my area. But it's worth every penny. No censorship. No bandwidth tiers. 24/7/365 service and the data rate is guaranteed through an SLA (if your connection is running below the speed you are paying for, they will come out and fix it). Of course, you can also go the UNE route and then it's much cheaper.
I currently pay Time Warner roughly $250 a month (multiple digital cable boxes, digital phone, Roadrunner Turbo/Premium). It's looking like it's time to scrap all of that
Look, I'm as pissed as anyone. But I don't see how you justify paying $600 a month for a slower connection.
It's not that bad... yet. |
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antdude
A Ninja Ant
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join:2001-03-25
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said by damicatz :
No a T1 does not provide Newsgroups. But they don't lie to you either.
Time Warner's newsgroups were always crap. I'm more irritated about the fact that they seem to take me for a fool and that I'm supposed to believe the reasons they give for discontinuing them.
There is also the matter of the censorship. In the same paragraph, Time Warner stated that they both don't censor websites and will happily block access to websites on the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children s list of "dangerous" websites. If you are going to lie, at least separate the lies out into different paragraphs.
I don't like the idea of an independent body with no oversight having arbitrary discretion on what constitutes a dangerous website.
And of course, there is the bandwidth tiering. Perhaps if Roadrunner would stop increasing the speed cap on the modems without upgrading their infrastructure first, they would not be having so many issues.
A dual-bonded T1 (Approx. 3mbps both ways) costs roughly $600 a month in my area. But it's worth every penny. No censorship. No bandwidth tiers. 24/7/365 service and the data rate is guaranteed through an SLA (if your connection is running below the speed you are paying for, they will come out and fix it). Of course, you can also go the UNE route and then it's much cheaper.
I currently pay Time Warner roughly $250 a month (multiple digital cable boxes, digital phone, Roadrunner Turbo/Premium). It's looking like it's time to scrap all of that How do you afford $600 per month? You must be making lots of $$$. I wished I could do that too. Ugh, my Kaiser health insurance bill (have other bills too) is like $400 per month (the joys of having multiple disabilities).  |
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DataShade
join:2008-06-11
Buffalo, NY
1 edit | reply to damicatz
said by damicatz :
I don't like the idea of an independent body with no oversight having arbitrary discretion on what constitutes a dangerous website. How do you propose a company verify child pornography without viewing it (ie, illegally possessing content on an office computer) without partnership with/permission from a government or a government-approved entity?
I've re-read some of the longer articles, and most of the stuff is actually saying TWC will take down sites hosted on their own network that provide kiddie porn. If the person hosting that site isn't actually providing kiddie porn, just young-looking models with signed consent forms and all the paperwork to back it up, I don't think his site would stay down - or on NCMEC's site - for long, and if it did, there's a fairly juicy libel suit there. |
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