Re: So What? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20626079 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:48:37 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:48:37 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20630897 apollo80 :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by Cthen See Profile :

The way you stated that would mean one company losing market share to another. That is not what this article is about. It's about Verizon neglecting their own product.
It doesn't really matter either way. The fact remains that Verizon is one of the few companies that is actually working to deliver next-generation broadband. They should not be hobbled by having to maintain a dying technology.
Um...I have DSL. Yes, I want FiOS. There have been the occasional truck in my area laying down fiber lines, so I'll be happy to go to it. But I've heard of people having problems with their DSL lines and, because of devoting so much manpower to FiOS, have to wait an excessive amount of time to get their dsl line back up. (hasn't happend to me, thankfully)

Who wants to pay for a product that doesn't work and Verizon is too slow to fix?

So Verizon still needs to be fair to customers that are 'stuck' using DSL when Verizon hasn't gotten to their neighborhood to lay down fiber. Plus, some people are content with their DSL line and don't want to get rid of it.

Hopefully, in a month, they'll be knocking on my door offering FiOS. And I'll reply, "IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20630897 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:11:46 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20627879 dvd536 :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Well it is and it isn't. There is VDSL which can offer speeds of 12mbit download and 9mbit uploads or similar.
Sure. if you live in the CO's basement or live in a lab under optimal conditions.
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This is positive news with a negative headline. (you may have a future in the main stream media). They've come out with a superior product and are rolling that out as fast as possible and past a lot of their DSL customers. Sure, DSL costs less, but as someone mentioned a horse and buggy would cost less than a car too.

Leave the personal vendetta off the pages Karl. You would think that Verizon killed his first born son or something. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20627282 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:40:39 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626550 en102 : Exactly... they're not a little startup company.

Where they are unlikely to deploy FiOS in the near future, they should be maintaining their DSL/POTS service properly.
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said by Nuts See Profile :

HDTV via antenna works great hear, that is until there are storms in the area and you cannot get the signal, just when you need it the most.
Storms have never made my signal worse. One channel atually gets a higher signal strength when it's raining. But storms have never affected my OTA signal where I didn't get a signal. the picture is the same as when the sun is out. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626471 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:46:44 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626260 Jodokast96 : What they've been doing with the ADSL2+ has been to offer their current speeds at longer distances. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626260 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:06:48 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626249 MrSpock29 :
said by Nuts See Profile :

HDTV via antenna works great hear, that is until there are storms in the area and you cannot get the signal, just when you need it the most.
Sounds like what I get with DirecTv.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626249 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:04:23 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626239 Nuts : HDTV via antenna works great hear, that is until there are storms in the area and you cannot get the signal, just when you need it the most.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626239 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:02:44 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626221 EPS : Really? I was under the impression that they weren't rolling out anything newer than ADSL1, which is why they won't offer anything faster than 7 mbps (ADSL's theoretical maximum of 8mbps with compensation for overhead)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626221 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:59:02 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626213 Jodokast96 :
said by EPS See Profile :

For DSL in general, that may be true, but Verizon's standard ADSL1 could be defined as a dying technology, I suppose.
Verizon is ADSL2+ in a lot of places now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626213 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:57:12 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626163 Dogfather :
said by EPS See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

DSL a dying techonolgy? That's laughable.

For data services there is nothing dying about DSL.
For DSL in general, that may be true, but Verizon's standard ADSL1 could be defined as a dying technology, I suppose.
Same could be said of DOCSIS 1.1 but it doesn't mean DOCSIS over HFC is a dying technology.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626163 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:44:15 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626160 Dogfather :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

And DSL will be viable for MANY MANY years to come.
Because companies like Verizon are getting ragged on for investing in FIOS? :D
By investors and cable fanboys maybe.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626160 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:43:30 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626157 Dogfather : Who is discouraging Verizon from deploying 100Mb service over FiOS? (other than Brian Roberts)

Verizon can walk and chew gum. They can improve DSL services while continuing their FiOS deployments.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626157 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:42:37 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626144 pnh102 :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Limitess bandwidth is irrelevant unless you have a provider willing to deploy services over it.
Which is exactly why companies like Verizon should be praised and encouraged to deploy such services.
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said by Dogfather See Profile :

And DSL will be viable for MANY MANY years to come.
Because companies like Verizon are getting ragged on for investing in FIOS? :D
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said by Dogfather See Profile :

DSL a dying techonolgy? That's laughable.

For data services there is nothing dying about DSL.
For DSL in general, that may be true, but Verizon's standard ADSL1 could be defined as a dying technology, I suppose.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626139 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:38:17 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626128 Dogfather : And DSL will be viable for MANY MANY years to come.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626128 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:37:12 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626118 Dogfather : Limitess bandwidth is irrelevant unless you have a provider willing to deploy services over it.

Yeah, G-PON can do 400Mb so where is Verizon with 400Mb HSI service? In my neck of the woods they max at 30Mb for $140/mo. Cable? No competition to DSL given they're having to cap and traffic shape to deliver those slightly higher advertised speeds.

And with most FiOS subs buying 5Mb plans, current DSL and especially newer DSL technologies are anything but dying.

In my area Verizon does 7.1Mb DSL for under $50. I can't get that speed of dedicated service from TWC, Cox or Comcast. While offering slightly faster speeds, ALL have caps, traffic shape or both. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626118 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:36:25 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626114 jc100 : Well it is and it isn't. There is VDSL which can offer speeds of 12mbit download and 9mbit uploads or similar. However, in terms of true "fiber speeds", dsl doesn't have that potential yet. With that said, DSL is still a viable and good alternative for those that cannot get or do not wish to be stuck with cable company.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626114 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:35:19 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626079 pnh102 :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

For data services there is nothing dying about DSL.
Most businesses are also able to invest their own connectivity outside of DSL. As for it being dying, it is when you compare it to other types of connectivity, especially fiber.

For example, there is an actual limit to the amount of bandwidth you can get out of DSL, however, with fiber, there is no limit. It is also easier for Verizon to upgrade fiber to handle faster speeds later on. All it takes is simply changing out the equipment on both sides of the line.
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For data services there is nothing dying about DSL.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626067 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:27:26 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20626035 pnh102 :
said by Cthen See Profile :

The way you stated that would mean one company losing market share to another. That is not what this article is about. It's about Verizon neglecting their own product.
It doesn't really matter either way. The fact remains that Verizon is one of the few companies that is actually working to deliver next-generation broadband. They should not be hobbled by having to maintain a dying technology.
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said by DavePR See Profile :

Television isn't that important to many people. And more and more people are discovering that HDTV via a rooftop antenna is not only free, it is also better looking than what is delivered by MSOs. These people (we) have no use for such huge bandwidth.
Can't say I agree with anything here. The Fios tv forum certainly shows a lot of people that find it important.
As one who has DirecTv, Fios tv is something that is desperately needed here. Comcast thanks to a lot of "shady" reasons, does not share the feed of their RSN to satellite companies (CSN PHL), meanwhile they share every other RSN. Fios has CSN PHL.
I am not sure many people want to go back to roof top antennas either.
The need for bandwidth from even average people is increasing at faster rates due to many forms of content over the internet now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20625949 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:05:27 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20625937 Dogfather :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

In other news, horse and buggy dealers continue to lose market share to automobile dealerships.
In that analogy the majority of Verizon subscribers don't have paved roads and horses are still an important method of travel. There are also a significant number of Verizon subs that have no hope of seeing FTTH because of their remote locations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20625937 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:03:39 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20625916 Cthen :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

In other news, horse and buggy dealers continue to lose market share to automobile dealerships.

The way you stated that would mean one company losing market share to another. That is not what this article is about. It's about Verizon neglecting their own product. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20625916 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:59:44 EDT Re: So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20625913 DavePR : Television isn't that important to many people. And more and more people are discovering that HDTV via a rooftop antenna is not only free, it is also better looking than what is delivered by MSOs. These people (we) have no use for such huge bandwidth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20625913 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:58:44 EDT So What? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20625817 pnh102 : In other news, horse and buggy dealers continue to lose market share to automobile dealerships.

I hope Verizon continues this apparent "FIOS at all costs" mentality. It will result in more people getting this service sooner, and it will hopefully inspire cable companies to make improvements to their service as well.
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