markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
 ·Charter Pipeline
| reply to Lazlow
Re: well...
said by Lazlow  :Markopoleo You forget about the shared part of the Docsis. We all (on the same node) have to share the bandwidth on the channel(38 down and 10 up for Docsis 1.1, most markets). You start splitting up 10 (up) with a bunch of guys running 16/2 and the brakes go on in a hurry. That really is not a DOSIS problem though, thats just a problem in deployment. They should not even be oversubscribing nodes in the first place. Nothing saying they won't use 3.0 and oversubscribe it anyways even if they have more bandwidth at headend. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
 ·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to Dogfather
Re: Very Interesting ...
said by Dogfather :Backbone connectivity is scalable and bandwidth is cheap and evidentally getting cheaper. Silence! Everyone knows there's a bandwidth crisis and we NEED $5 per GB overage charges to prevent total global collapse! (Of payTV revenue streams...)
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
 ·T-Mobile US
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Rob
Re: well...
said by Rob :But that really isn't why caps exist. Caps exist because of the limited amount of bandwidth that a cable co can send to its customers. It's not about costing more money, it's about trying to give everyone an equal share. That was their argument for Docsis... Anyone remember @home in the pre-docsis days? THAT's when people really shared and fought for bandwidth. Docsis allows everyone an equal share.
Caps are a "solution" to oversubscription.
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Cox VOIP
·ViaTalk
·RoadRunner Cable
·MegaPath
·Verizon west (ex G..
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| reply to markopoleo
said by markopoleo :said by espaeth :said by Jerm :And DOCSIS 3 will take care of the last mile. DOCSIS 3.0 will help the last mile, but only once they upgrade every installed CMTS and replace every single subscriber cable modem with a DOCSIS 3.0 model. Will you people stop thinking DOCSIS 3.0 is the answer to all. It means NOTHING to the end user currently, it just helps the cable provider. Let me say it again..current cable customers have NOT REACHED THE BANDWIDTH OF CURRENT DOCSIS MODEMS. Had to yell it cause some people are not listening.  Huh? DOCSIS 3 absolutely is the answer to increasing speeds to end users. The biggest benefit is channel bonding.
And yes, there are cable systems where channel capacity is saturated. The bandwidth capacity of the modem is IRRELEVANT in cable topology. Those modems share bandwidth to the head end and without more dedicated channels, you aren't going to get any more speed, no matter what the modem's capacity is. And without channel bonding you will NEVER see the speeds to the end user that a competitor like Verizon is capable of delivering. |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | reply to Dogfather
Re: Very Interesting ...
Agreed Skeedatl. |
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boils down
@mcleodusa.net
| reply to espaeth
Re: well...
Great so what you're saying is that is has nothing to do with the wholesale cost of traffic to their upstream providers and more to do with them not being able to offer the speeds and services they advertise to more and more customers without charging overages under the guise of collecting more money for "upgrades" (As if somehow what users currently pay does not allow a cable provider to do anything more than scrape by). If it truly is not related to the extremely cheap cost of wholesale bandwidth, then i suppose they will just implement a "free nights and weekends" sort of deal where they are unmetered, or unrestricted during periods of non peak usage right?
OR
Being somewhat knowledgeable in the way corporate america operates what is the more logical conclusion? |
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