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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads said by TKJunkMail  :Canada is just joining what is going on in the EU; Japan, & S.Korea. It isn't just the RIAA & MPAA. The music and movie industries in other countries are pushing for this too. And who praytell do you think run those movie industries?Its the same damn people.Keep the american shit out of Canada. | |
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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads said by andyb :Keep the american shit out of Canada. Technically speaking that IS what the MPAA is trying to do. 
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| The House will fall long before this bill gets anywhere close to passing the House, let alone the Senate. This is like the fifth or sixth time various sessions of Parliament - the vast majority of them under Liberal leadership - have tried to introduce something along these lines. Parliament either gets prorogued or an election is conveniently called before it ever makes it out of committee.
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Portage La Prairie, MB | Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads Unfortunately, we have a perfect storm. This may well come to pass. | |
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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads said by mazhurg :Unfortunately, we have a perfect storm. This may well come to pass. Pass the House maybe, but the Senate will give it some long and hard sober second thought. | |
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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads said by Snickerdo :said by mazhurg :Unfortunately, we have a perfect storm. This may well come to pass. Pass the House maybe, but the Senate will give it some long and hard sober second thought. And now why did we want to abolish the Senate?
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| said by DKS :And now why did we want to abolish the Senate? I have never been in favour of abolishing the Senate. My preferred choice is a chamber chosen by the provinces (meaning the province can choose to appoint the Senators or have the voters in the province elect the Senators) with long 10-15 year terms that don't dissolve when the House falls and exist across several House of Commons elections. It would allow for a more democratic selection of Senators, while still preserving the aspect of non-partisan sober second thought.
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| said by DKS :said by Snickerdo :said by mazhurg :Unfortunately, we have a perfect storm. This may well come to pass. Pass the House maybe, but the Senate will give it some long and hard sober second thought. And now why did we want to abolish the Senate? Well, wait a second. The article says these proposed "laws" and consequences are part of an international trade agreement which doesn't require parliamentary approval.
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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads said by shaner :Well, wait a second. The article says these proposed "laws" and consequences are part of an international trade agreement which doesn't require parliamentary approval. Anything that inflicts penalties inside Canada requires an act of parliament. This was ruled on by the Supreme Court back in the 80s. They could technically get you for international trade without an act of parliament and merely on regulations or an OC, but that's a different issue all together.
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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads said by anon3454576 :
I'm sure when this comes into effect there will be ALOT less people complaining about throttling.
I don't thnk for even a moment that Rogers and Bell will cease port throttling.
In fact, I'll bet they will be allowed to examine the content of every packet going through their network to your modem, privacy laws or no. | |
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| When DMCA becomes legit, I don't think I will continue to have internet in my house. I'll just revert back to buying Chinese movies TV series from the bootleggers. My internet provider loses my business, and PIRACY CONTINUES UNDERGROUND. Life gets push back a few years ....from 1998-2003 where I was still renting stuff to burn.....haaaaa...actually before this bill was introduced, I am somewhat of a customer, I joined many forums and paid money to them. Right now? I'll never buy any media again from those stupid crooks who thinks they can control me. Yes DMCA angers me, so I better prepare to counterattack. Both the liberals and the conservatives are getting paid off for bringing this crap on board. | |
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Beverly Hills, CA | So let me get this straight...
Basically,
It;s going to be illegal to download torrent movies and tv shows in Canada now? | |
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Devanchya
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Ajax, ON | Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads No, it will be illegal to have media you can not prove you paid for.
And paid for.
And paid for.
And rented. | |
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1 edit | I believe by this law they are going to cause a lot of public aggravation! 
So, what about all the music cds people bought a while ago, and don't have receipts to prove it?
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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads said by Reactance :So, what about all the music cds people bought a while ago, and don't have receipts to prove it? Then as far as they would be concerned, its illegal and you owe a lot more money than you originally paid.
What I would just love to have someone check is Mr. Prentices work and home PCs - y'know, just in case he has any kind of media he can't proves he purchased.
Mind you, he'd find a way to write off the fines as a 'business expense'.
As far as I'm concerned, any content downloaded could be deemed illegal by said owner at any time. Technically, your browsers cache could be viewed as a method of storage for images you do not own and may not have been given permission to download.
That sounds extreme, but it would be valid in a court of law, according to this new bill.
Don't be surprised of we eventually see down the road the whole idea of 'public domain' evapourate.
So - notice how there was no mention of the revocation of the media tax? | |
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Port Colborne, ON | Well, good luck enforcing it. | |
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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads said by Last Parade :Well, good luck enforcing it. I envision the scenario like this:
The OPP storm troopers will show up at your door, search your residence, confiscate your hardware and any analogue or digital media in your possession. You will be presented with a ticket 500$ per song and a court date on the spot. ('a la Street Racing law )  | |
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The federal government tabled new legislation Thursday morning designed to make it easier to track and prosecute anyone caught downloading copyrighted files, such as music and movies, from the Internet.
Under the proposed legislation, anyone caught downloading copyrighted material online could face a fine of $500. Individuals may still be liable for other types of damages or remedies. The current Copyright Act allows for a maximum fine of $20,000.
The new bill makes it easier for rights holders to prosecute commercial copyright violators while protecting the rights of consumers, Mr. Prentice said.
Under the current legislation, a teenager caught downloading five copyrighted movies in her parents' basement could be liable for up to $100,000 in fines, Mr. Prentice said. Under the proposed law, the maximum fine they could incur is $500.
The act is designed in such a way to punish those who distribute or upload materials to the Internet rather than consumers who download.
Also, as long as consumers don't attempt to circumvent the digital rights management (DRM) technology, they can transfer media files from their personal computer to their portable device without worrying. The new bill would make it illegal to provide market or import tools “designed to enable circumvention.”
Under the new Canadian legislation, ISPs would be obligated to inform subscribers when a complaint has been launched against the consumer by the owner of a copyright, however they would also be obliged to keep track of that user's contact information for six months in case that data became necessary for legal proceedings.
However, with Parliament set to break soon, sources say the legislation is expected to be left to die by the minority Conservative government, which is likely to face harsh criticism from opposition parties, making the bill difficult to pass.
The Conservatives are also negotiating with a number of other governments, including the U.S. and the European Union, to establish a new international copyright agreement, dubbed the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA).
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| Re: The bill WAS introduced today said by TKJunkMail :However, with Parliament set to break soon, sources say the legislation is expected to be left to die by the minority Conservative government, which is likely to face harsh criticism from opposition parties, making the bill difficult to pass. I've been saying this all along - they appease the copyright lobby and appear to be fulfilling their treaty obligations by introducing the bill, but they do it in such a way that guarantees it dies on the order paper when the session of Parliament ends. This same thing happened under Chretien and Martin a few times with the exact same type of legislation. I haven't even so much as batted an eye over this legislation, and the above quote is precisely why.
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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads said by Mashiki :Write your MP, don't email. Write, it's free and you don't need a stamp. You can also go meet directly with your MP, as they often have office hours on Friday that are open for the public to meet with them and discuss issues. This would be the perfect opportunity for such a discussion.
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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads The Government of Canada has introduced Bill C-61, An Act to Amend the Copyright Act. The proposed legislation is a made-in-Canada approach that balances the needs of Canadian consumers and copyright owners, promoting culture, innovation and competition in the digital age.
What does Bill C-61 mean to Canadians?
Specifically, it includes measures that would:
* expressly allow you to record TV shows for later viewing; copy legally purchased music onto other devices, such as MP3 players or cell phones; make back-up copies of legally purchased books, newspapers, videocassettes and photographs onto devices you own; and limit the "statutory damages" a court could award for all private use copyright infringements;
* implement new rights and protections for copyright holders, tailored to the Internet, to encourage participation in the online economy, as well as stronger legal remedies to address Internet piracy;
* clarify the roles and responsibilities of Internet Service Providers related to the copyright content flowing over their network facilities; and
* provide photographers with the same rights as other creators.
What Bill C-61 does not do:
* it would not empower border agents to seize your iPod or laptop at border crossings, contrary to recent public speculation
What this Bill is not:
* it is not a mirror image of U.S. copyright laws. Our Bill is made-in-Canada with different exceptions for educators, consumers and others and brings us into line with more than 60 countries including Japan, France, Germany and Australia
Bill C-61 was introduced in the Commons on June 12, 2008 by Industry Minister Jim Prentice and Heritage Minister Josée Verner.
For more information, please visit the Copyright Reform Process website at www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/crp-prda.nsf/en/home
Thank you for sharing your views on this important matter.
The Honourable Jim Prentice, P.C., Q.C., M.P.
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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads said by Tikker_LoS :* expressly allow you to record TV shows for later viewing; copy legally purchased music onto other devices, such as MP3 players or cell phones; make back-up copies of legally purchased books, newspapers, videocassettes and photographs onto devices you own; and limit the "statutory damages" a court could award for all private use copyright infringements Except it states...Also, as long as consumers don't attempt to circumvent the digital rights management (DRM) technology, they can transfer media files from their personal computer to their portable device without worrying. The new bill would make it illegal to provide market or import tools “designed to enable circumvention.” So we're getting a double sided law like the US where you have the right to make a copy but it's illegal to crack the DRM to make the copy!!
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| The Canadian DMCA: Check the Fine Print
Thursday June 12, 2008
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As expected, the Canadian DMCA is big, complicated, and a close model of the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act (Industry Canada provides a large number of fact sheets here). I'll have much more to say once I've had a careful read, but these are my five key points to take away:
1. As expected, Prentice has provided a series of attention-grabbing provisions to consumers including time shifting, private copying of music (transferring a song to your iPod), and format shifting (changing format from analog to digital). These are good provisions that did not exist in the delayed December bill. However, check the fine print since the rules are subject to a host of strict limitations and, more importantly, undermined by the digital lock provisions. The effect of the digital lock provisions is to render these rights virtually meaningless in the digital environment because anything that is locked down (ie. copy-controlled CD, no-copy mandate on a digital television broadcast) cannot be copied. As for every day activities like transferring a DVD to your iPod - those are infringing too. Indeed, the law makes it an infringement to circumvent the locks for these purposes.
2. The digital lock provisions are worse than the DMCA. Yes - worse. The law creates a blanket prohibition on circumvention with very limited exceptions and creates a ban against distributing the tools that can be used to circumvent. While Prentice could have adopted a more balanced approach (as New Zealand and Canada's Bill C-60 did), the effect of these provisions will be to make Canadians infringers for a host of activities that are common today including watching out-of-region-coded DVDs, copying and pasting materials from a DRM'd book, or even unlocking a cellphone.
While that is the similar to the U.S. law, the exceptions are worse. The Canadian law includes a few limited exceptions for privacy, encryption research, interoperable computer programs, people with sight disabilities, and security, yet Canadians can't actually use these exceptions since the tools needed to pick the digital lock in order to protect their privacy are banned. In other words, check the fine print again - you can protect your privacy but the tools to do so are now illegal. Dig deeper and it gets worse. Under the U.S. law, there is mandatory review process every three years to identify new exceptions. Under the Canadian law, its up to the government to introduce new exceptions if it thinks it is needed. Overall, these anti-circumvention provisions go far beyond what is needed to comply with the WIPO Internet treaties and represents an astonishing abdication of the principles of copyright balance that have guided Canadian policy for many years.
3. The other headline grabber is the $500 fine for private use infringement. This will be heralded as a reasonable compromise, but check the fine print. Canadian law already allows a court to order damages below $500 per infringement, so the change may not be as dramatic as expected (though $500 in damages is the maximum for private use infringement). Moreover, it is already arguably legal to download sound recordings in Canada. Under the proposal, there are exceptions for uploading or posting music online (ie. making available) and even the suggestion that posting a copyright-protected work to YouTube could result in the larger $20,000 per infringement damage award.
4. The ISP provisions are precisely as expected with a statutory notice-and-notice system. However, check the fine print. The role of the ISP may be undermined by the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which the government trumpets in its press release.
5. The education community received several provisions that are largely gutted by the fine print. For example, library materials can be distributed in electronic form, but must not extend beyond five days. In other words, it turns librarians into locksmiths. Moreover, there is an Internet exception that educators wanted but it does not apply for any works that are either password protected or include a notification that they cannot be used. In other words, online materials that are available under a Creative Commons license are fair game (as they are already), but most everything else is still potentially subject to a restriction. This was precisely what many feared - rather than pursuing the far superior expansion of fair dealing, the education community got a provision that does little to enhance classroom learning.
I'll have more to say soon, but the takeaway is that the DMCA provisions are worse than the U.S. and the consumer exceptions riddled with limitations as the government promotes a strategy of locking down content and launching lawsuits against Internet users.
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| If media content has DRM protection, you're aware of that before you purchase it. So don't complain if the law says that if you breach your purchase contract (express or implied) by rendering that protection ineffective, you're going to pay for it.
Opposition to this law is all about trying to stop the government from letting you get something for nothing. There's no free lunch. If you're getting something free without the owner's consent, it's no different than someone skimming your ATM card and taking money out of your account.
The "me now" mentality does not extend to unrestricted human behaviour, and then fear-mongering if anyone dares impose restrictions. With rights come responsibilities.
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Woodstock, ON | Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads Standard copyright laws apply including fines and imprisonment. This is an amendment that's excessively harsher on people even if you buy a product, and do something with it for your own use. | |
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Download torrent.. watch movie... delete movie.
evidence? movie? nope don't have anything on my HD. | |
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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads Still there after deletion. Eventually it will be overwritten too much to be recovered.
What I could see happening is these approved devices will have a format time bomb in the firmware. You can put your songs on the player, but after a designated time or some sort of counter, the device will format itself. | |
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TI POIL
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Toronto, ON | That will be a mess Imagine all the paperwork and extra work that "they" will have to do??? | |
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Encrypter and decryptper will have to be hack on all portable devices. | |
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| Hmm....
Ok. We know that Rogers and Bell have the D.I.P technology implemented in their systems right?
That they can inspect each single packet as its comes along its network and goes to the respective client address node.
So, I am thinking with this new law to be taken into effect somebody out there should come up with a 'software solution' for encrypting the packets.. Is this possible?
Lets say the above is possible.
Is the ISP responsible for decrypting the individual packets to see their content inside?? By Law would they be required to do it?
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For a fact I dunno anyone who runs a legit and uncracked version of M$ Office or Adobe Photoshop, yet somehow those programs seem to miraculously appear on every machine I see.
When's the last time you saw the neighbour's kid hauled off to copyright court for all the cracked and illegal software that he runs?
Now in principle, this will turn anyone with a DVD Burner or PVR style recorder or MP3 player into the same kind of criminal, but nobody's actually gonna ever be busted unless Big Brother wants to really make an example of him...
So eat, drink and be merry while the Sword of Damocles hangs over your heads... It's a law which in all practicality will probably never be enforced, unless you piss everyone off so much they simply HAVE to turn you into Bonnie and Clyde for appearance's sake 
Ultimately, who knows? Charter challenges may even render the law unconstitutional, though that would prove cold comfort to the poor sap who gets dragged thru the muck trying to prove so to the supreme court | |
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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads said by Clipper :I know a fella who got brought to court by microsoft...of course, he was selling software not just copying it. Yeah, and one should expect something like this. Microsoft doesn't even really go after businesses that give away illegitimate copies, it's only when they represent them as legitimate or charge for them that Microsoft gets pissed off. The RCMP/locals don't bother wasting resources on personal swapping, and I doubt they will if the law changes, either.
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| said by happylurk :
Now in principle, this will turn anyone with a DVD Burner or PVR style recorder or MP3 player into the same kind of criminal, but nobody's actually gonna ever be busted unless Big Brother wants to really make an example of him... ...and if this does ever happen then they better go after these manufactures (JVC, SONY, LG, SHARP,etc) as well for making DVD Burners and (Bell, Rogers, Cogeco, Star Choice, etc)for having PVRs made for their customers to use.
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| Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads said by MarkAW :said by happylurk :
Now in principle, this will turn anyone with a DVD Burner or PVR style recorder or MP3 player into the same kind of criminal, but nobody's actually gonna ever be busted unless Big Brother wants to really make an example of him... ...and if this does ever happen then they better go after these manufactures (JVC, SONY, LG, SHARP,etc) as well for making DVD Burners and (Bell, Rogers, Cogeco, Star Choice, etc)for having PVRs made for their customers to use. And the blank media manufactures (Maxell, Verbatim, Memorex, Fugifilm, Kodak, etc) also Hard Drive/Solid State Drive manufacturers (Seagate, Fujitsu, Maxtor, Western Digital, SanDisk, etc)
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