elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
| reply to DKS
Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads
said by DKS  :said by Hydraglass :(I could go on and on here) - in essence they want things to act like they did in the 1950s and 1960s. You couldn't copy vinyl records - you could only use them on record players. You couldn't record radio broadcasts or tv broadcasts - you had to watch them when they sent them - they knew best when you should sit down and listen to a radio or tv show afterall. There was no internet. There was no digital distribution. There was no time shifting. If you wanted "high def" you had to go to a theatre and watch content on 35mm or 70mm cellulose - when they wanted you to. Wrong. You could copy and LP or 45 to tape. You could record OTA TV to tape (if you have the money). If you lived in many parts of Canada you could easily timeshift, as shows were run at different times in Canada and the US. Sometimes episodes were seen only in Canada and not in the US at all (anyone remember the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour?). And there were lots of other things we did of watching TV and surfing the internet.  You've hit the nail on the wall, if the broadcast flag does indeed start preventing me from recording shows(time shifting) then I will putting up that Antenna, and watching my HD content Over the Air)and end up recording to my computer |
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elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
| reply to Tyreman
said by Tyreman :Maybe they'll water down the bill to appease people who purchased the cd or dvd. allow them to move it to differing digital playback devices IF this bill goes forward, the reformists will take a page out of Mulroney's playbook. He introduced GST at 9%, people screamed, they howled (not unlike this bill). He dropped it to 7% and everything was silent.
I suspect they'll take some of the more ostentatious parts of the bill out (while remaing rather draconian) and all will be quiet. |
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elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
| reply to Clipper
It's not fair to the consumer, but Big Media doesn't give a flying hoot about the consumer (You really gotta watch They Live It may be dated, but boy does it it hit close to home today), they want us to consume.. and by consume, they mean buy a copy of the content for each platform we want to use it on. |
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elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON
| reply to Bell Martin
I originally posted this in the Rogers forum , where there are mainly folks who are upset that their torrenting will be disrupted :
Here is what I have an issue with.
I'm not going to get into downloading or P2P of content or sharing that content with friends and family, we all know it's illegal.
My nephew recently got an IPod Nano for this birthday, my sister (his Aunt) decided it would be really cool to get him a couple of Star Wars movies he could watch on his Nano.
She bought them from the Itunes store and downloaded them to her Mac, burned them to a DVD and tried to put it on his NANO via his PC. NO SUCH LUCK, the DRM Prevents such an action.
She knows I can get it for her in a heartbeat, but I got an email from here ranting about trying to be legal and getting screwed over.
So now we have two choices (one currently illegal, the other would be illegal under Bill 61).
One I can download either a DVD(or find a version that will play on his Ipod) and compress it to QVGA (x264) or I can rip the DRM out of the movies.
In the case above she has have bought and paid for the content but due to "digtal locks" she's SOL trying to give him the movies.
Now you could argue, just install Itunes on his PC and buy it there, yes you are correct, but now I've had to buy the movies TWICE because of the DRM (and at the same time would ruin the surprise,but thats not the concern of Media Giants and remember most people aren't savvy enough to realize the content is only licensed for that one PC).
Also look at this:
The DVD is currently some 13yrs old. I am going to assume that most of you here have seen a video cassette tape?
Pretty durable right? Unless you rip the tape out of the cartridge,not much is going to happen to it.
Now a DVD can be scratched, or rendered useless due to mishandling (by young kids), so a technologically savvy parent would backup the DVD or burn a copy for the kids to use, while preserving the original. Teach the kids how to handle the disc? Sure (and I have taught my oldest nephew how do to so), but accidents happen.
Preserving your investment in the content, you aren't stealing anything, but if Bill 61 became law, such parent could be considered a criminal and subject to a 20K fine.
Again you could argue, well if the kids have wrecked the DVD go out and buy another one. (and lets not get into the analogy of wrecked toys.. I can't make copies of those) Why? I have the ways and means of making a copy (for MY PERSONAL USE).
So ask yourself what have I done wrong? What have I done thats so wrong that warrants a large fine or imprisonment (in a Federal Penitentiary)
The Government, and the media giants will spin it in such a way that its about downloading (and that is an issue), but I have just shown you two perfectly legitimate ways in which a person or persons could (if caught) could be subject to large fines for breaking "digital locks"
What about background music for a video you made for YouTube? I'm not making a buck off that video (Google on the other hand.....) so unless I've gotten clearance, I could be subject to that same 20K fine. (and lets be honest what teen is going to be able to get clearance on a tune for
free)
I'm all for intellectual property rights, but this law is just badly written (probably written my the same Media giants and comprises their wet dream wish list) that it just cries to be left on the order paper to die. |
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Cliffy
Premium
join:2003-06-29
Kitchener, ON
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 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
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And don't forget for almost 10 years consumers were asking media companies for the ability to purchase content online. They were willing to hand over money, but no one took them up on the offer. Imagine if big media got on this bandwagon as soon as they could have. I bet they would have been rolling in money.
And once we did start getting the ability to purchase digital content the ugly head of DRM appeared. I personally don't think DRM does anything more than annoy and "criminalize" the honest person. Like you mention, people that try and do the right thing get screwed over. It is the people that don't pay that are not inconvenienced at all. |
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harwoodr
Pornographic Memory
Premium
join:2002-09-05
Hamilton, ON | reply to Bell Martin
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harwoodr
Pornographic Memory
Premium
join:2002-09-05
Hamilton, ON
 ·Mountain Cable
| reply to Bell Martin
Here's a good read by someone who is better at putting words to the problem than I am:
»www.brendonwilson.com/blog/2008/···ll-c-61/
quote:
The bill is bad for Canadians for a number of reasons:
1. It reduces your rights: Consumers will continue to be able to use copyrighted materials for research, private study, criticism, review or news reporting, but will no longer have the means to exercise those rights when the copyrighted materials are protected by DRM.
2. It reduces reduces the usefulness of your media: Consumers will no longer have the right to take commonly purchased physical media, such as DVDs, or downloaded DRM-protected files, such as digital music, and make copies for their personal use.
3. It forces you to buy media you’ve already purchased: Consumers will be unable to unlock media they’ve legally purchased in the past for use on new devices, and hence will be forced to buy the same content again and again.
4. It makes your devices less useful: Consumers will be able to do less, not more, with new devices they purchase, as many of these device may, at any time, limit the user’s access to media they have a legal right to view, modify, or redistribute.
5. It reduces competition and innovation: Consumers will be unable to influence the market by finding new uses for their existing media and copyrighted materials, limiting the application of ingenuity that can lead to the creation of new applications and markets for Canadians and the world.
6. It makes the public domain works inaccessible: Consumers will have the right to re-use works in the public domain, but in cases where those public domain works are protected by DRM consumers will not have the means to exercise those rights and hence lose access to their own heritage.
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