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Re: Canadian bill to target illegal downloads
said by andyb  :I remember reading about resale of copywright materials and if I'm not mistaken thats not allowed either. But, what if you want to give that DVD away for free??
What if i borrow my brother's DVD from his house and bring it to watch in my house? Allowed? or is it going to be a severe criminal activity? LOL |
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Airwolf
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If this passes, not only will have to worry about people trafficking drugs and guns, no, it will be a crack down on MP3s and AVIs. Oh yes, little Liz walking to school with an iPod shuffle she got for her birthday listening to Miley Cyrus, OH WATCH OUT! DANGA! DANGA! CRIKEY!
*rolls eyes*
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mazhurg
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said by digitalfutur :Show me a law that allows unlimited file sharing of copyrighted material. Or allows you to break file protection so you can do that. He, with the blinds.. He's not talking about unlimited sharing; he is talking about making a copy or a legally bought product for his own use (e.g. media shifting). No sharing is done. |
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Cliffy
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said by digitalfutur :No, you have a right to use the way the copyright holder says you do. If you can't live with that, don't buy the product. If you're going to acquire the product illegally because you just must have it despite the copyright restrictions, expect to pay the consequences. If I buy a movie on DVD, I have the right to view in private, nothing more. If I buy or download music, I have the right to copy it x times or not copy it, depending on the DRM rights that come with the CD or file. How did I acquire the product illegally?
Just because a copyright holder claims to place limits on their content doesn't mean that it is lawful. There are doctrines in US and Canadian law that covers fair use. This practice would allow for someone to do exactly what I said. It isn't until a DMCA type law would close this loophole. What I am speaking about is not stealing from them. They got their money and now someone would like to watch the DVD in the manner in which they want.
A recent example is a case in the US. A ruling against Universal Music that said that just because they say a promotional cd is not for resale, they have no right to make that claim.
»www.dmwmedia.com/news/2008/06/12···d-seller
Also I don't know about you, but I am not about to give up my legal rights here in Canada so our politicians can placate some foreign interests. Not only that, but these big record labels want things both ways to suit their needs.
Once again UMG (a RIAA member who is suing all those people for thousands of dollars a song) is involved in a case and forced to pay punitive damages. They argued that it was excessive. And won. How's that for hypocrisy?
»arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···ges.html
Edit: I found a great blog post on this topic.
»cultureofownership.org/?p=43
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When DMCA becomes legit, I don't think I will continue to have internet in my house. I'll just revert back to buying Chinese movies TV series from the bootleggers. My internet provider loses my business, and PIRACY CONTINUES UNDERGROUND. Life gets push back a few years ....from 1998-2003 where I was still renting stuff to burn.....haaaaa...actually before this bill was introduced, I am somewhat of a customer, I joined many forums and paid money to them. Right now? I'll never buy any media again from those stupid crooks who thinks they can control me. Yes DMCA angers me, so I better prepare to counterattack. Both the liberals and the conservatives are getting paid off for bringing this crap on board. |
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Reactance
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| reply to Bell Martin
Hmm....
Ok. We know that Rogers and Bell have the D.I.P technology implemented in their systems right?
That they can inspect each single packet as its comes along its network and goes to the respective client address node.
So, I am thinking with this new law to be taken into effect somebody out there should come up with a 'software solution' for encrypting the packets.. Is this possible?
Lets say the above is possible.
Is the ISP responsible for decrypting the individual packets to see their content inside?? By Law would they be required to do it?
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happylurk
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I think, truth be told, even if it passes in the senate and becomes a law, things will remain pretty much business as usual in Canada.
For a fact I dunno anyone who runs a legit and uncracked version of M$ Office or Adobe Photoshop, yet somehow those programs seem to miraculously appear on every machine I see.
When's the last time you saw the neighbour's kid hauled off to copyright court for all the cracked and illegal software that he runs?
Now in principle, this will turn anyone with a DVD Burner or PVR style recorder or MP3 player into the same kind of criminal, but nobody's actually gonna ever be busted unless Big Brother wants to really make an example of him...
So eat, drink and be merry while the Sword of Damocles hangs over your heads... It's a law which in all practicality will probably never be enforced, unless you piss everyone off so much they simply HAVE to turn you into Bonnie and Clyde for appearance's sake 
Ultimately, who knows? Charter challenges may even render the law unconstitutional, though that would prove cold comfort to the poor sap who gets dragged thru the muck trying to prove so to the supreme court |
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Btw, if they ever come for me? I'm ratting out every single other soccer mom and pop out there I know with anything in violation of the law... I certainly won't lie down and take it alone... Misery loves company |
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Clipper
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Stoney Creek, ON | reply to happylurk
I know a fella who got brought to court by microsoft...of course, he was selling software not just copying it. |
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StEC
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said by digitalfutur :Under the terms of purchase you only own the medium, not the content. Ownership of the content remains with the copyright holder. The EULA governs how you can use that content, including approved devices. Read up on what copyright means. If you don't like the copyright terms, don't buy the content. WOW your a piece of work you sound suspiciously like them RIAA/MPAA dudes...how much they paying you!? LMFAO
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Snickerdo
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said by Clipper :I know a fella who got brought to court by microsoft...of course, he was selling software not just copying it. Yeah, and one should expect something like this. Microsoft doesn't even really go after businesses that give away illegitimate copies, it's only when they represent them as legitimate or charge for them that Microsoft gets pissed off. The RCMP/locals don't bother wasting resources on personal swapping, and I doubt they will if the law changes, either.
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Here is the biggest and best group on Facebook on the subject called Fair Copyright for Canada »www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6315846683
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capdjq
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I doubt the Government is going to waste money and time prosecuting Joe Blow downloading a few TV Shows for personal use. Plus without co-operation from the ISPs it going to be difficult.
The US has a much tougher legislation and prosecutions are rare. They can't even shut down the illegal Torrent sites.
The Govt hopes to throw a scare into consumers by making it illegal. But, like exceeding the speed limit, its illegal but we all do it daily.
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eh wut
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"Canadian bill to target illegal downloads"
The topic is wrong. It doesn't just target "illegal downloads" |
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digitalfutur
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| reply to Bell Martin
You're all SOL now. The Toronto Star supports the bill.
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The proposed changes to the Copyright Act – introduced yesterday – are sure to bring to a boil long-simmering tensions between artists, businesses and other "creators" who have seen their ability to control and profit from their works eroded by the Internet, and consumers and users who fear the measures will unduly restrict their rights.
But without an updated law to account for new technologies, Canada risks stifling creativity and innovation among artists who are not being fairly compensated for their work. We are also offside with some major trading partners and international copyright treaties.
That's why Industry Minister Jim Prentice and Heritage Minister Josée Verner deserve credit for finally wading into this contentious area and putting concrete proposals on the table.
»www.thestar.com/comment/article/442594
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Clipper
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Yet, they also warn about the implications.
One is an editorial, another is analysis. |
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said by happylurk :
Now in principle, this will turn anyone with a DVD Burner or PVR style recorder or MP3 player into the same kind of criminal, but nobody's actually gonna ever be busted unless Big Brother wants to really make an example of him... ...and if this does ever happen then they better go after these manufactures (JVC, SONY, LG, SHARP,etc) as well for making DVD Burners and (Bell, Rogers, Cogeco, Star Choice, etc)for having PVRs made for their customers to use.
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| said by MarkAW :said by happylurk :
Now in principle, this will turn anyone with a DVD Burner or PVR style recorder or MP3 player into the same kind of criminal, but nobody's actually gonna ever be busted unless Big Brother wants to really make an example of him... ...and if this does ever happen then they better go after these manufactures (JVC, SONY, LG, SHARP,etc) as well for making DVD Burners and (Bell, Rogers, Cogeco, Star Choice, etc)for having PVRs made for their customers to use. And the blank media manufactures (Maxell, Verbatim, Memorex, Fugifilm, Kodak, etc) also Hard Drive/Solid State Drive manufacturers (Seagate, Fujitsu, Maxtor, Western Digital, SanDisk, etc)
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I wonder what happens with the levy we were paying on digital media in order to compensate the recording industry for copying...
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BigSensFan
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My question is this.
I download Television shows that are free to download in the USA but you can not download them here in Canada. Would I be charged under this law?
Also, what about shows that dont even show in Canada (i.e Burn Notice)
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