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In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

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A new Trojan horse masquerading as a video "codec" required to view content on certain Web sites tries to change key settings on the victim's Internet router so that all of the victim's Web traffic is routed through servers controlled by the attackers.

According to researchers contacted by Security Fix, recent versions of the ubiquitous "Zlob" Trojan (also known as DNSChanger) will check to see if the victim uses a wireless or wired hardware router. If so, it tries to guess the password needed to administer the router by consulting a built-in list of default router username/password combinations. If successful, the malware alters the victim's domain name system (DNS) records so that all future traffic passes through the attacker's network first. DNS can be thought of as the Internet's phone book, translating human-friendly names like example.com into numeric addresses that are easier for networking equipment to handle.

While researchers have long warned that threats against hardware routers could one day be incorporated into malicious software, this appears to be the first time this behavior has been spotted in malware released into the wild.

The type of functionality incorporated into this version of the Zlob Trojan is extremely concerning for a number of reasons. First, Zlob is among the most common type of Trojan downloaded onto Windows machines. According to Microsoft, the company's malicious software removal tool zapped some 14.3 million instances of Zlob-related malware from customer machines in the second half of 2007.

The other, more important reason this shift is scary is that a Windows user with a machine infected with a Zlob/DNSChanger variant may succeed in cleaning the malware off an infected computer completely, but still leave the network compromised. Few regular PC users (or even PC technicians) think to look to the router settings, provided the customer's Internet connection is functioning fine.

Philip Sloss, a software engineer for myNetwatchman.com, said he first observed the activity while examining a Zlob variant distributed on May 22. The DNS hijack occurs, he said, during the installer program, so by the time the user sees the fake codec installer screen, the malware has already attempted to change DNS settings on the victim's router.

I reached out to researchers at Sunbelt Software to check Sloss's data, and Sunbelt was able to confirm that the malware successfully changed the DNS settings on a Linksys router (model BEFSX41), pulled straight out of the factory box (with the default username and password). Another test showed that the Zlob variant successfully changed the DNS settings on a Buffalo router running the DD-WRT open source firmware.

Sunbelt also found that if there are multiple machines using the same router, all of the systems connected to that router will have their traffic hijacked.

"This is definitely something we have not seen before," said Eric Sites, chief technology officer at Sunbelt. Sites said his team is testing the new Zlob variants against multiple routers to see how they fare against the malware. "It was only a matter of time before someone started using this attack."

Sloss said he captured traffic showing the Zlob variant trying to reconfigure different routers by requesting the local Web page for the various "setup wizards" that ship with the devices. Some of the requests he noticed are listed below, with my own research noted next to them:

"/index.asp" (still checking, but I believe this is used on DD-WRT and some Linksys routers);
"/dlink/hwiz.html" (D-Link routers);
"wizard.htm" (appears to be used by several different router manufacturers, including Linksys).
"/home.asp" (no idea)

Relatively few people ever change the default username and password on their wireless routers. I see this often, even among people who have locked down their wireless routers with encryption and all kinds of other security settings: When I confront them about why they haven't changed the default credentials used to administer the router settings, their rationale is that, 'Well, why should I change it? An attacker would need to already have a valid connection on my network in order to reach the router administration page, so what's the difference?'

Obviously, an attack like this illustrates the folly of that reasoning.

What's more, the various components dropped onto victim PCs by this malware are fairly ill-detected by most anti-virus tools out there today. A scan of these three files at Virustotal.com -- which checks submitted files against 31 different anti-virus engines -- indicates that only 11 of the anti-virus products currently detect any of them as malicious.

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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

Wow...some very interesting stuff.

I'm constantly amazed as well, at how many people don't even bother to do something as simple as change the default user names and passwords on their Routers. (Apparently, that "admin" guy is very popular).
I can't tell you how many people I've run across who say: "Hey, you just plug it in, and it works!".

Some of them don't know that a Configuration page even exists, let alone that it requires an administrative password to change settings. ("What settings?")

This nonsense just gets better all the time.
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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

I guess none of those folks that never have changed the default password have ever tried to do any number of things on a Linksy router. Something like enabling UPnP without then typing the password TWO times (no prompting, no mention that you must do this) results in the router arbitrarily changing the password and the user can't access the router's config page any longer. The only solution is a factory reset which is a hassle if you have flashed the firmware and use beta firmware which is hard to find again.

Considering all the security bugs, over the past almost 5 years, in regards to the password on the Linksy router I have I would have thought no one leaves the default password on the router anymore.

How could anyone not know a config page exists? How were they able to set up the router if they didn't go the config page?
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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

said by Mele20 See Profile :

How were they able to set up the router if they didn't go the config page?
Certainly in last few years the routers are given to customers already preset where all they have to do is plugin and it all works.

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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

Huh? How can you buy a "preset" router? Granted mine will be 5 years old in November but I don't understand what you mean. You have to clone the MAC address for one thing. That can't be done at Amazon.

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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

Cloning a MAC address isn't always necessary. I know for me with Comcast, that when the modem is powered on, it looks at the MAC address of the network device plugged into it, and if it's a router, it latches onto it just as it would if it was a computer's network card. (Where one enters trouble is if they change what the modem is plugged into - it won't work until the modem is power-cycled and the modem picks up the new MAC address.)

If I go to Best Buy, pick out a router/switch/WAP all-in-one device, come home and plug it in, it will work out of the box because the router will pull an address from the cable modem, will perform no logging in which is ok as that's not needed on a Comcast Internet connection, and the interal DHCP is set to hand out IP address to clients on the home network.

While this works with Comcast, other ISPs may have different needs, such as if a DSL connection requires logging in via PPPoE, for example, or if the ISP ties the login with a specific MAC address (such as the one used to complete the sign-up).

Hope I was helpful. It is 1:30am and I struggle with clarity when I'm sleepy.

Aaron

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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

said by ahulett See Profile :

Cloning a MAC address isn't always necessary. I know for me with Comcast, that when the modem is powered on, it looks at the MAC address of the network device plugged into it, and if it's a router, it latches onto it just as it would if it was a computer's network card. (Where one enters trouble is if they change what the modem is plugged into - it won't work until the modem is power-cycled and the modem picks up the new MAC address.)

If I go to Best Buy, pick out a router/switch/WAP all-in-one device, come home and plug it in, it will work out of the box because the router will pull an address from the cable modem, will perform no logging in which is ok as that's not needed on a Comcast Internet connection, and the interal DHCP is set to hand out IP address to clients on the home network.

While this works with Comcast, other ISPs may have different needs, such as if a DSL connection requires logging in via PPPoE, for example, or if the ISP ties the login with a specific MAC address (such as the one used to complete the sign-up).

Hope I was helpful. It is 1:30am and I struggle with clarity when I'm sleepy.

Aaron

[Edit to get the signature with the all-important disclaimer included.]
Road Runner requires the MAC address be entered. Plus, I had to configure both computers (one is a 98SE box) and then configure the router. Not hard to do but it certainly wasn't automatic out the box, plug it in, and whamo everything works. Besides being required to enter the router interface to configure it, I had to get into the interface to be able to change the DHCP lease time. The router I have is Version 3 and Linksy has a Version 4 that people are still buying and you have to configure the computers and then the router still.
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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

said by Mele20 See Profile :

... Linksy has a Version 4 that people are still buying and you have to configure the computers and then the router still.
That's not true, they include a CD all you have to do is run it and you're online, laziness at its best.
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said by CajunTek See Profile :

Actually most routers will work out of the box..
Exactly right...or certainly a lot of them will.

At my Daughters house (Comcast), she could go to Best Buy (buy a Linksys WRT54G for example), take it out of the box, hook it to the Cable Modem, power it on...(maybe recycle the Modem), and it will work with no configuration at all...no CD, no nothing.

It will have a password "admin", and will already have wireless on by default with an SSID of "Linksys".
(Of course, had I not shown her the Configuration page, "admin" wouldn't have meant a thing to her, nor would she have cared about it).
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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

said by jabarnut See Profile :

said by CajunTek See Profile :

Actually most routers will work out of the box..
Exactly right...or certainly a lot of them will.

At my Daughters house (Comcast), she could go to Best Buy (buy a Linksys WRT54G for example), take it out of the box, hook it to the Cable Modem, power it on, (maybe recycle the Modem), and it will work with no configuration at all...no CD, no nothing.

It will have a password "admin", and will already have wireless on by default with an ssid of "Linksys".
(Of course, unless I had showed her the Configuration page, "admin" wouldn't have meant a thing to her anyway, nor would she have cared about it).
Works that way with RoadRunner too...
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said by Mele20 See Profile :

Road Runner requires the MAC address be entered.
No they don't. You just have to power cycle the modem to get it to recognize a new MAC address. I do this all the time with if I have to connect something other than my router direct to the modem. It will not work if you just plug something in, you need to power cycle it and it will register the new MAC now plugged in and give you a new IP.

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said by nukscull :

You just have to power cycle the modem to get it to recognize a new MAC address. I do this all the time with if I have to connect something other than my router direct to the modem. It will not work if you just plug something in, you need to power cycle it and it will register the new MAC now plugged in and give you a new IP.
I have had TWRR for several years. That's how mine works too. I occasionally swap devices (PCs, routers, network printers etc) for configuration and testing purposes. My steps are as follows;
1) Power off downstream device
2) Power off modem
3) Swap device
4) Power up modem
5) Power up device

Works every time.

Now if I were to move my modem to another location - or get another modem, that's a different situation. I have to have TWRR register that modem at that location.
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said by Mele20 See Profile :

said by ahulett See Profile :

Cloning a MAC address isn't always necessary. I know for me with Comcast, that when the modem is powered on, it looks at the MAC address of the network device plugged into it, and if it's a router, it latches onto it just as it would if it was a computer's network card. (Where one enters trouble is if they change what the modem is plugged into - it won't work until the modem is power-cycled and the modem picks up the new MAC address.)

If I go to Best Buy, pick out a router/switch/WAP all-in-one device, come home and plug it in, it will work out of the box because the router will pull an address from the cable modem, will perform no logging in which is ok as that's not needed on a Comcast Internet connection, and the interal DHCP is set to hand out IP address to clients on the home network.

While this works with Comcast, other ISPs may have different needs, such as if a DSL connection requires logging in via PPPoE, for example, or if the ISP ties the login with a specific MAC address (such as the one used to complete the sign-up).

Hope I was helpful. It is 1:30am and I struggle with clarity when I'm sleepy.

Aaron

[Edit to get the signature with the all-important disclaimer included.]
Road Runner requires the MAC address be entered. Plus, I had to configure both computers (one is a 98SE box) and then configure the router. Not hard to do but it certainly wasn't automatic out the box, plug it in, and whamo everything works. Besides being required to enter the router interface to configure it, I had to get into the interface to be able to change the DHCP lease time. The router I have is Version 3 and Linksy has a Version 4 that people are still buying and you have to configure the computers and then the router still.
I never had to put a MAC address in for RR, they ran the line, hooked up the router and it connected, no configuring needed.

Mele, no offense, but I see you spread alot of FUD around here, maybe you shouldn't talk if you don't know what you are talking about

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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

It could be her specific market requires MAC registration whereas other markets do not (or maybe it's changed since initial sign-up - these things do change). Such as sometimes when a modem is registered in one Comcast service area and the customer moves to another, one may need to call to have the modem removed from that market's database so it can be registered in the new market. In my case, I didn't hit that when moving to from Michigan to Redmond, but I've seen others experience this when using their own modems.

The key here is to a) get router usernames/passwords off defaults, and b) help protect customers from such malicious code that leverages default usernames/passwords. While I have a much better shot at B than I do A, maybe an idea that router manufacturers can take away (Are any of you lurking?), if they're not already doing this today, is to jail WAN access until the default username/password is changed. This way, users are automatically sent to a configuration page and are walked through making the necessary changes to help secure their router.

[Edit - add my signature (with disclaimer) that seems to not add itself automatically when quick-replying]
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Road Runner requires the MAC address be entered.
Not So!

Road Runner will take a new MAC address if you leave the cable modem powered-off for 90 seconds or so before powering it back up again with new router (powered off) attached.

Once the modem has sync'ed up, power-on the router and it should work just fine with its default MAC address
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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

It seems to me that a lot of this could be avoided if the router manufacturers would make it mandatory that you go into the setup and set a new password before the unit will function; I believe this could be done by only adding a minimal amount of extra code to the router's internal firmware. To do it right, the setup screen should give the user some tips on creating a secure password.

Unfortunately, concerns about things like extra tech-support time being required to walk clueless users through this step means that something like this probably will not become common any time soon.

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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

said by daveinpoway See Profile :

It seems to me that a lot of this could be avoided if the router manufacturers would make it mandatory that you go into the setup and set a new password before the unit will function
Unfortunately, the vast majority of potential users are stoopid. The only way to make money from this group of the "great unwashed" is to make your product super easy to use.

They get away with this by packing in a lot of warning messages in the documentation (that goes unread by the stoopid people) and when the stoopid people complain the manufacturer is covered. "Didn't you read the manual?"

Reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon I love. "... now stand on your chair and yell "does anyone know how to read a manual?"

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said by Annorax See Profile :

Unfortunately, the vast majority of potential users are stoopid. The only way to make money from this group of the "great unwashed" is to make your product super easy to use.
To a certain point I agree. However, just go to a local big box retailer and hear the salesman and the non-technical customer discuss the implementation of the new gizmo.

C: "well, I'm not a computer person. Is it hard to set up?"
S: "No problem - just pull it out of the box, plug in the wires as the diagram shows and it's set itself up. Or our GGR (Geek GangRape) experts can go to your home and set it up for you for only $229"
C: "Wow, that's a lot. I can plug in the doo-hickeys myself. thanks!" *trots to checkout to buy new router*

Alternative response:
C: "Wow, that's a lot but I'll have them set it up for me" *GGR installs router with defaults and the customer's pet guppy's name as the password (USER=ADMIN PW=FLUFFY)*

As for the "great unwashed", don't forget that technology is for people and not the other way around. Too many self-styled experts forget that - or aren't skilled enough to teach or develop solutions customers can use.
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said by Annorax See Profile :

said by daveinpoway See Profile :

It seems to me that a lot of this could be avoided if the router manufacturers would make it mandatory that you go into the setup and set a new password before the unit will function
Unfortunately, the vast majority of potential users are stoopid. The only way to make money from this group of the "great unwashed" is to make your product super easy to use.
A better solution would be for manufacturers to give a unique default password to each router, and print that password on the router (next to the serial number). Then physical access (ability to read the label) is required to change the settings. I'm pretty sure a few manufacturers already do this.
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said by nwrickert See Profile :

A better solution would be for manufacturers to give a unique default password to each router, and print that password on the router (next to the serial number). Then physical access (ability to read the label) is required to change the settings. I'm pretty sure a few manufacturers already do this.
Well, in light of this exploit, I hope that more than a few manufacturers start doing this (or something similar).

It's pretty scary that the majority of Routers out there are still operating with the default password...and as I mentioned in an earlier post, I've confirmed this myself. (At least in my neck of the woods).

In the mean time, good luck to the 70 to 80% (maybe higher), of people who just buy these things, plug them in, and feel "secure". (Mainly because they've heard by word of mouth that's all they need to do to in order to keep most of the bad guys out).

I've also seen on many of the ISP "FAQ" pages, where they suggest that buying a Router will allow you to add additional Computers to your Broadband Connection....with the usual disclaimer that they are not responsible for maintaining it, should any problems arise.

Of course, with no mention whatsoever, that proper configuration for security is important.
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said by Mele20 See Profile :

Huh? How can you buy a "preset" router? Granted mine will be 5 years old in November but I don't understand what you mean. You have to clone the MAC address for one thing. That can't be done at Amazon.
Think about it. You get it from ISP and in most cases for free. If you buy elsewhere then of course you have make some minor changes. It boils down as always to user awareness.

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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

said by Cudni See Profile :

said by Mele20 See Profile :

Huh? How can you buy a "preset" router? Granted mine will be 5 years old in November but I don't understand what you mean. You have to clone the MAC address for one thing. That can't be done at Amazon.
Think about it. You get it from ISP and in most cases for free. If you buy elsewhere then of course you have make some minor changes. It boils down as always to user awareness.

Cudni
Maybe where you are routers are free from the ISP but not here. If I want to use a router, I have to buy one and I have broadband with one of the largest ISPs in the USA. My ISP still makes me unplug the router and connect directly for troubleshooting.
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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

said by Mele20 See Profile :

said by Cudni See Profile :

said by Mele20 See Profile :

Huh? How can you buy a "preset" router? Granted mine will be 5 years old in November but I don't understand what you mean. You have to clone the MAC address for one thing. That can't be done at Amazon.
Think about it. You get it from ISP and in most cases for free. If you buy elsewhere then of course you have make some minor changes. It boils down as always to user awareness.

Cudni
Maybe where you are routers are free from the ISP but not here. If I want to use a router, I have to buy one and I have broadband with one of the largest ISPs in the USA. My ISP still makes me unplug the router and connect directly for troubleshooting.
Actually most routers will work out of the box..
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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

said by CajunTek See Profile :

Actually most routers will work out of the box..
So, you are saying that most routers know that the IP is static if it is? And most routers somehow know to clone the MAC address? And the router automatically knows if you have DSL if you have PPoE or DHCP? How does the router know if you have RAS or PPTP or Heart Beat Signal? (Those aren't used in the USA). The router knows not to handle DHCP if you don't want it to? It knows how to set the DHCP lease time if you are having it handle DHCP? Wow, I guess Linksy is really behind the times since the current version of their router that I have is just like mine. It has to be set up. At least that what Linksy told me maybe a year ago. Maybe it has changed but I don't think there is a newer version of this router since the latest version was issued about two-three years ago.

"# Supports DHCP, Universal Plug-and-Play (UPnP), and includes a user-friendly Setup Wizard for easy configuration
# Included Setup Wizard takes you through configuring your network, step by step."
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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

See ahulett See Profile's post. That describes it pretty well.

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As far as those "user-friendly Setup Wizard" CD's, I just throw them in the garbage or use them for target practice myself.
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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

said by jabarnut See Profile :

See ahulett See Profile's post. That describes it pretty well.

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As far as those "user-friendly Setup Wizard" CD's, I just throw them in the garbage or use them for target practice myself.
Yes. I read Aaron's post. But it doesn't apply to this Linksy router. I quoted from the Linksy page for this router. You have to set it up ...even the current version. I just answered two posts recently (not here) from users who had just bought this router and had questions about setting it up.

Obviously, SOME ROUTERS AND SOME ISPS allow you to do nothing but plug in the router. Obviously, my ISP and router are superior because they require you to not be a dumb idiot who does stupid things regarding routers. But teaching your children or anyone else to not configure the router really surprises me since this is a security forum. ALL USERS need to be educated properly about security including how to use a router securely. If this is done then there will be no problems regarding default passwords. Geez.
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said by Mele20 See Profile :

... But teaching your children or anyone else to not configure the router really surprises me since this is a security forum.
I hope you weren't referring to me as far as "teaching my children". (Or any acquaintance I run into who doesn't have their home network properly secured, for that matter).
The first thing I did after my Daughter bought a Router was to teach her how to configure it properly for security.

(You don't generally need that silly "wizard CD" to achieve that, btw)
Maybe you misunderstood the reason I throw those things in the drawer to collect dust.

And back to the original topic, if you read the link posted by bcastner See Profile, you'll see it said:

quote:
Relatively few people ever change the default username and password on their wireless routers
From my experience visiting many people (most of whom don't hang around security forums), or if I'm looking around at various SSID's in the neighborhood, I have no doubt in my mind that this is true. (9 times out of 10, if they are broadcasting the default SSID, they still have the default password too).

If I see them broadcasting "Linksys" or "default" etc, I can be relatively sure that they just plugged them in and started using them. (Especially when they show as not being secure, and allow me to connect, and/or access their configuration page).

Of course, I would never do that.
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mikenolan7
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I don't consider the necessity to use MAC address cloning to be a feature that makes an ISP superior. It is essentially breaking the way things were designed to work, with no two pieces of hardware having the same MAC address. I like to tinker with different security solutions, and frequently have different NAT routers, or home built firewalls on different OS's as the first thing the ISP sees. I don't want to be cloning MAC addresses all over the place, that would eventually lead to communication problems within my LAN.

I don't have RR any more, but when I did, MAC address cloning was not required. It took a few minutes for a new MAC address to be recognized and accepted, but eventually it was given a DHCP address.

News about exploits designed to attack NAT routers automatically from within your LAN is becoming more and more frequent. A good defense is a rule on your software firewalls that prevents outgoing traffic from the machines within your LAN to your router. Disable the rule temporarily to administer your router.

For home users, that are able to shut down internet access for a few minutes, it is a good idea to disconnect your WAN port when making modifications to your router configuration. Most NAT routers are more susceptible to shenanigans when rebooting. I would even recommend disconnecting LAN ports other than the one you are administering the router from when you make configuration changes.

Router exploits are very high risk. Without monitoring on your WAN port, which is very difficult to maintain due to the large number of log entries you get, how would you know if your router was compromised?

Edit: spelling

Cthen

join:2004-08-01
Ypsilanti, MI
·Comcast

said by Mele20 See Profile :

said by jabarnut See Profile :

See ahulett See Profile's post. That describes it pretty well.

»Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

As far as those "user-friendly Setup Wizard" CD's, I just throw them in the garbage or use them for target practice myself.
Yes. I read Aaron's post. But it doesn't apply to this Linksy router. I quoted from the Linksy page for this router. You have to set it up ...even the current version. I just answered two posts recently (not here) from users who had just bought this router and had questions about setting it up.

Obviously, SOME ROUTERS AND SOME ISPS allow you to do nothing but plug in the router. Obviously, my ISP and router are superior because they require you to not be a dumb idiot who does stupid things regarding routers. But teaching your children or anyone else to not configure the router really surprises me since this is a security forum. ALL USERS need to be educated properly about security including how to use a router securely. If this is done then there will be no problems regarding default passwords. Geez.
All your arguing through this amounts to squat at what the article is referring to. Sure you may or may not have to configure a router to get a connection but that point means nothing. Either way this type of exploit needs a connection to be up and running for anything to happen or to even get the malware on your machine in the first place.

So here is how it all plays out. Joe Blow buys a router (and this can even be your beloved Linksys model), he did what he needed to do in configuring it so he could get a connection. That's all he did because hey, it works now! So Joe Blow visits a site to see a video but it tells him he needs to download a codec to play the video. Well ofcourse he wants to see the video so he downloads and installs this codec and gets to see his video. Due to Joe Blow's ignorance his router is about to get pwned in the next few minutes. Why? Joe Blow never changed his default user name and password to his router! Sure he cloned the MAC addy as needed and had to do maybe a few other thing to get the connection going, but that was it.

Sadly, that's the reality here. You can buy any router you want from any store be it online or brick and mortar. Configure said router any which way you please. However if the default username and password isn't changed, it will get pwned by this if it's on one of your machines.

Now do you get it?

Raz

@tele.dk


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said by Mele20 See Profile :

Obviously, my ISP and router are superior because they require you to...
...clone your MAC address?

Lanik
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said by Mele20 See Profile :

So, you are saying that most routers know that the IP is static if it is?
If a user is knowledgeable enough to get a static IP they should be able to configure a router properly.
said by Mele20 See Profile :

And the router automatically knows if you have DSL if you have PPoE or DHCP?
The wizard on the CD takes care of that.
said by Mele20 See Profile :

How does the router know if you have RAS or PPTP or Heart Beat Signal? (Those aren't used in the USA). The router knows not to handle DHCP if you don't want it to? It knows how to set the DHCP lease time if you are having it handle DHCP?
All those are advanced features that Joe User doesn't care about as long as "it works".
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Raz

@tele.dk

said by Mele20 See Profile :

...And most routers somehow know to clone the MAC address?
Maybe you need to clone the MAC address. Not everybody needs to do that. I certainly do not.

cork1958
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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

said by Raz :

said by Mele20 See Profile :

...And most routers somehow know to clone the MAC address?
Maybe you need to clone the MAC address. Not everybody needs to do that. I certainly do not.
I have NEVER yet come across a router that didn't just work out of the box, as long as you boot things in the correct order especially (modem, router, then computer).
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Cheese
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clubs:

said by Mele20 See Profile :

Huh? How can you buy a "preset" router? Granted mine will be 5 years old in November but I don't understand what you mean. You have to clone the MAC address for one thing. That can't be done at Amazon.
You go to the store and buy it.

Grail Knight
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Interesting read.

Thank.
dadarkside
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The Moon

Can we here more about the Codec?

And this is for the MS Spyware guru too...

How about a rehash of the steps needed to prevent Media Player from auto downloading new or missing codecs...

My wife does video, she edits, creates and animates. And she's not always security conscious. This is an infection vector that really troubles me, for these very reasons.

EGeezer
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Country!
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Well, seems like the DSLR folk were ahead of the curve on this one too - there were several topics related to this type of exploit. Among them;

»Raising Awareness: Another CSRF Attack (Linksys)

»Router hacking challenge at Hacker Webzine

»Harden your router/AP in five steps

Yesterdays FUD and impractical concept becomes today's successful exploit
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Re: Yesterday's "useless POC" becomes ...

This is a completely different attack vector than the ones using Flash and javascript discussed earlier.

In this case you have Zlob using the address space of several components of the Winlogon process, and the edits to the router itself are done through straight Winsock calls.

But yes, this Forum has been right there on this issue of the router itself as an attack surface from early on.

EGeezer
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Re: Yesterday's "useless POC" becomes ...

said by bcastner See Profile :

This is a completely different attack vector than the ones using Flash and javascript discussed earlier. ...
But yes, this Forum has been right there on this issue of the router itself as an attack surface from early on.
I agree the method used (scripting versus malware) is different, but still uses the concept of exploiting a router's default settings from the LAN side. The big argument presented in the earlier discussions was that it was impractical to consider LAN side attempts unless one was hacking one's own network.

However that is now discredited, at least in part, by a working "in the wild" exploit that has taken advantage of the opportunity and complacence of the user community.

And yes, you and others here are right at the forefront - that's what I like about this bunch
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DownTheShore
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clubs:

What you folks have to remember about routers is that you all tend to say "I have a router so I don't worry about that" or "Get a router and you won't have to worry about that" in your posts. So to those of us who only have a modium of technical awareness, we think we are taking a big step forward by getting the router and hooking it up. I know that I had no fuss when hooking up my router to the OOL system. But I knew from being here for years that one of the things I should do is change the name and password, which I did immediately. But that's not something the average person would even think about.

There's a lot of knowledge about things that is "understood" here by people which is never articulated because the assumption is that everyone knows what the next steps should be, or what the consequences are, or how the thing actually works - but that always isn't true. A lot of us have just a finite bit of understanding, and sometimes we just don't know the follow-up questions that should be asked. For example, I'm learning now in another thread some basic answers about imaging a hard driver, things that I was never quite clear about - like whether or not the image is the actual size or a compressed size.
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Re: In the Wild: Zlob Changing Router Settings to Hijack DNS

There's a lot of knowledge about things that is "understood" here by people which is never articulated because the assumption is that everyone knows what the next steps should be, or what the consequences are, or how the thing actually works - but that always isn't true.
Perhaps. However, the importance of changing the router administrative password has been often repeated here.
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Aaed Alqarta




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I've compiled a countermeasures list to stop and prevent DNSChanger. Check here:

»extremesecurity.blogspot.com/200···ked.html

altermatt
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White Plains, NY
·Verizon Online DSL

It's also interesting to see that 11 of 32 anti-malware products detected this. Here are the results at Virus Total of the three separate scans of the three nasties submitted there that are related to this; the analysis is broken down by product; for each that does detect something, the name of what they think it is, is shown:
»www.virustotal.com/analisis/d5c3···acc41d3a
»www.virustotal.com/analisis/a5a4···69df1363
»www.virustotal.com/analisis/6af3···fc2c930e
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darthboy

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I believe ISPs' tech guys never change the default passwords even during an onsite installation. Sure they help set up (at least) a WEP key, but that doesn't help in this kind of exploit.
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