| T1 would this make T-1 1.544 Mbps out dated?
Come on T-1 prices, go down, make an economy T-1 package for small business |
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 RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | said by Pv8man999 :
would this make T-1 1.544 Mbps out dated?
No. A T1 has many advantages that still make it a much more attractive connection. |
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said by Pv8man999 :
would this make T-1 1.544 Mbps out dated?
Very Doubtful. I manage the network of 3 offices located in different places. The main office has a T1, one of the remotes has a T1, and one uses Comcast high speed business.
The location on Comcast uses an IPSEC tunnel for basic packet encryption because all of the users are either on a software VPN or dial in to the terminal server. There are good days and bad days. On good days users may get dropped once or twice. On bad days, we will see hours of no or extremely poor service.
It's faster than a T1, yes, but we have to deal with the above mentioned problems. |
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 DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to Pv8man999
T1s are more reliable and are dedicated circuits. |
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 espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2
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said by Rob:said by Pv8man999 :
would this make T-1 1.544 Mbps out dated?
No. A T1 has many advantages that still make it a much more attractive connection. Agree.
The overwhelming majority of T1 circuits in the US are not for Internet access; they are for private Frame/ATM/MPLS connections, TDM voice services, and ISDN PRI for video conferencing. (though this is rapidly being replaced by IP telepresence offerings) |
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 djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
kudos:1
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Attractive? T1s are outdated dinosaurs in terms of internet connectivity. SLA's are nice and all, but for $300-$500+/month, businesses should be getting faster connections.
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
1 edit | Business requires reliability far more than speed.
For business a single T1 can handle hundreds of users (depending on the type of business). |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
kudos:1 Reviews:
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·VOIPo
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| I completely agree that reliability is paramount for a business. But we're quickly getting to a point where 1.5mbps shared across even a small business office is not enough, and for the price, they should be getting more for their money.
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | It is so long as you keep people working and off You Tube LOL. But yeah, it depends on the business. If you're in a business with a ton of attachments like large PDFs, they'll need a bonded T1. |
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said by Dogfather:Business requires reliability far more than speed. For business a single T1 can handle hundreds of users (depending on the type of business). Reliability, eh? I've had a connection with Time Warner Cable that I leave running constantly working on something.
It has gone down once for an hour in the last year - during a very severe thunderstorm, and 15 minutes during a severe winter storm.
That is pretty damn reliable, and it's not even business class, either. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
4 edits | No it's not reliable. My T1 has gone down, let's see, NEVER. And if it ever did, they have to fix it immediately. And with Time Warner's changing usage policy you will no longer be able to leave it "working" all the time.
I would NEVER trust my business operations to Time Warner residential services. I get to do with my T1 whatever I want...no bull crap caps, no bull crap traffic shaping, no bull crap AUP. |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather:T1s are more reliable and are dedicated circuits. Don't forget the SLAs!
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Yep, not going to get this »www.megapath.net/pdfs/service_le···nces.pdf with residential service. |
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said by Dogfather:No it's not reliable. My T1 has gone down, let's see, NEVER. And if it ever did, they have to fix it immediately. And with Time Warner's changing usage policy you will no longer be able to leave it "working" all the time. I would NEVER trust my business operations to Time Warner residential services. I get to do with my T1 whatever I want...no bull crap caps, no bull crap traffic shaping, no bull crap AUP. Eh what... Time Warner offers business services... in fact they have a "home business" class here that is $10 more a month that RR Turbo residential service and it is 15/2 Mbps. I was pointing out the fact that I had incredibly reliable residential service, their business service must be even more reliable.
Also I think I could live with my Internet connection going down for an hour once a year that runs at 15 Mbps instead of having a connection that never goes down but runs at 1.5 Mbps and is ten times more expensive.
I also don't know what you're talking about with caps... Time Warner has no caps, at least not yet. If that shit they're trialing in Texas is successful and they implement in on their entire network I'll agree with you, but for now Time Warner Business class is a much better deal than T1. They also do not traffic shape.
I have downloaded over 1 TB in a month from Time Warner Cable before and they never gave a shit. That's residential too... I can't imagine them being more strict with a business class connection. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
4 edits | Again, the prices and speeds you quote are residential/home office, not true business.
If you want an SLA, multiple static IPs, and decent upload speeds you pay through the nose with Time Warner.
I don't know about your market but in my market the tier pricing was similar to New York. The Los Angeles TWC site no longer quotes prices; but here are prices for the NY area and these look about to be what I was quoted a while back.
Pricing for Hudson Valley area dynamic IP plans
Bandwidth Options Downstream/Upstream Price
Tier 1 1 Mbps/256 Kbps $99.95
Tier 2 2 Mbps/384 Kbps $129.95
Tier 3 1.5 Mbps/768 Kbps $149.95
Tier 4 4 Mbps/384 Kbps $179.95
Tier 5 3 Mbps/768 Kbps $219.95
Tier 6 1.5 Mbps/1.5 Mbps $399.95
Tier 7 8 Mbps/2 Mbps $529.95
At the time I talked to them, right when they rolled out 15/2 here in Huntington Beach, they offered 15/2 for home office only and maxed at 10/2 for actual businesses and it was a total rip off. I don't remember exactly what it was but I could almost get a bonded T1 (which while slower was guaranteed bandwith) for that price. What was worse is that throughput was not guaranteed at all. They were quoting me typical "up to" speeds whereas my T1 has guaranteed throughput.
I pay $359 and get 13 static IPs, a free $800-$900 Netopia 4622XL router, GUARANTEED bandwidth and a very good SLA. Also I have the option for reasonably priced fully managed security. TWC Biz didn't offer those extra service options.
TWC Business is fine if yer a dentist or mom & pop video store but not if you actually rely on your connectivity. TWC Biz is more a competitor to business ADSL and SDSL than T1/T3 services. Business DSL for 7Mb in our local market runs about $120/mo with Verizon and for 6Mb with AT&T about $65/mo, WAY cheaper than Time Warner Business. |
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 aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
·Verizon FiOS
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said by Dogfather:Business requires reliability far more than speed. For business a single T1 can handle hundreds of users (depending on the type of business). T1 speed is only 1.54mps. Way too slow for businesses with dozens of employees sending emails, CAD drawings, etc on a regular basis. I have the 50mbs down/20mbs up tier with FIOS at home and I can't wait until they upgrade to something faster. |
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