 pauldenton
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| David Davis resigns forcing by-election on 42 days detention
quote: "The name of my constituency is Haltemprice and Howden - Haltemprice is derived from a medieval proverb meaning noble endeavour. Up until yesterday I took a view that what we did in the House of Commons representing our constituents was a noble endeavour because for centuries of forebears we defended the freedom of people. Well, we did, up until yesterday. This Sunday is the anniversary of Magna Carta, a document that guarantees the fundamental element of British freedom, habeas corpus. The right not to be imprisoned by the state without charge or reason. But yesterday this house allowed the state to lock up potentially innocent citizens for up to six weeks without charge. The Counter-terrorism Bill will, in all probability, be rejected by the House of Lords very firmly. After all, what should they be there for, if not to protect Magna Carta? But because this is defined as political, not security, the Government will be tempted to use the Parliament Act to overrule the Lords. It has no democratic mandate to do this since 42 days was not in its manifesto. Its legal basis is uncertain to say the least but, purely for political reasons, this Government is going to do that. Because the generic security argument relied on will never go away - technology, development complexity, and so on - well next see 56 days, 70 days, then 90 days.
But in truth perhaps 42 days is the one most salient example of the insidious, surreptitious and relentless erosion of fundamental British freedom. And we will have shortly the most intrusive identity card system in the world. A CCTV camera for every 14 citizens, a DNA database bigger than any dictatorship has, with thousands of innocent children and millions of innocent citizens on it. We have witnessed an assault on jury trials, a bolt against bad law and its arbitrary use by the state. And shortcuts with our justice system, which will make our system neither firmer nor fairer and a creation of a database state opening up our private lives to the prying eyes of official snoopers and exposing our personal data to careless civil servants and criminal hackers. The state has security powers to clamp down on peaceful protest and so-called hate laws to stifle legitimate debate, whilst those who incite violence get off scot-free.
This cannot go on, it must be stopped, and for that reason today I feel it is incumbent on me to take a stand. I will be resigning my membership of this House and I intend to force a by-election in Haltemprice and Howden. Now I will not fight it on the Governments general record. Theres no point repeating Crewe and Nantwich. I wont fight it on my personal record - I am just a piece in this great chess game. I will fight it, I will argue this by-election against the slow strangulation of fundamental British freedoms by this Government. Now, that may mean I have made my last speech to the House. Its possible. And of course that would be a cause of deep regret to me. But at least my electorate and the nation, as a whole, would have had the opportunity to debate and consider one of the most fundamental issues of our day. The ever-intrusive power of the state on our lives, the loss of privacy, the loss of freedom and a steady attrition undermining the rule of law. And if they do send me back here, it will be with a single, simple message - that the monstrosity of a law that we passed yesterday will not stand.
»www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p···0888.ece
mad? bad? or dangerous to New Labour's plot to destroy all of England/Britain's liberties? |
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  MarkH reserved for later use Premium join:2002-12-19 | Mad? Quite possibly.
Bad? I don't personally think so.
Dangerous to New Labour and their plans to be our ever present nanny? I bloody well hope so. |
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  jvmorris I Am The Man Who Was Not There. Premium,MVM join:2001-04-03 Reston, VA
| reply to pauldenton And, of course, if that's not enough background on habeas corpus, we just decided to help you out today. See »supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pd···1195.pdf which has a great deal to say about the development of habeas corpus in the UK. -- Regards, Joseph V. Morris |
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  poacher 1rtd R.I.P. Desert orchid Premium join:2004-02-25 oxford UK | reply to pauldenton
Welcome to the UK, the worlds biggest prison camp. |
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  jvmorris I Am The Man Who Was Not There. Premium,MVM join:2001-04-03 Reston, VA
| Oh, you guys don't even come close!
... The bureau's report comes on the heels of a Pew Center on the States report showing 1 percent of U.S. adults behind bars, a historic high. The United States has the largest number of people behind bars in the world, according to the Pew report. »www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···458.html -- Regards, Joseph V. Morris |
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  nemo1966
join:2005-11-15 England
| said by jvmorris :Oh, you guys don't even come close! ... The bureau's report comes on the heels of a Pew Center on the States report showing 1 percent of U.S. adults behind bars, a historic high. The United States has the largest number of people behind bars in the world, according to the Pew report. » www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co···458.html Thats only because you are allowed to arrest your criminals!!!
In the UK they scream "racism" and all the coppers run away! --
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 pauldenton
join:2003-12-20 London
| reply to pauldenton was held yesterday and the result is
(i've corrected the abbreviated names to full...) quote: David Davis (Conservative): 17,113 (71.57%, +24.11%) best ever results in a UK election for: Shan Oakes (Green): 1,758 (7.35%) Joanne Robinson (English Democrats - Putting England First): 1,714 (7.17%) {she called, and lost, a recount to try for 2nd place...}
and losing their deposits:
Tess Culnane (National Front (Britian for the British)): 544 (2.28%) Gemma Garrett (Miss Great Britain Party): 521 (2.18%) Jill Saward (Independent): 492 (2.06%) Mad Cow-Girl (Official Monster Raving Loony Party) 412 (1.72%) Walter Sweeney (Independent) 238 (1.00%) John Nicholson (Independent) 162 (0.68%) David Craig (Independent) 135 (0.56%) David Pinder (The New Party) 135 (0.56%) David Icke (ND) 110 (0.46%) {yes the one who thinks the world is run by reptiles...} Hamish Howitt (Freedom 4 Choice) 91 (0.38%) Christopher Talbot (Socialist Equality Party) 84 (0.35%) Grace Astley (Independent) 77 (0.32%) George Hargreaves (Christian Party) 76 (0.32%) David Bishop (Church of the Militant Elvis Party) 44 (0.18%) John Upex (Independent) 38 (0.16%) Greg Wood (Independent) 32 (0.13%) Eamonn Fitzpatrick (Independent) 31 (0.13%) Ronnie Carroll (Make Politicians History) 29 (0.12%) Thomas Darwood (Independent) 25 (0.10%) Christopher Foren (Independent) 23 (0.10%) Herbert Crossman (Independent) 11 (0.05%) Tony Farnon (Independent) 8 (0.03%) {only possible if at least 2 of their proposers didn't actually vote for them - but not a record low vote....} Norman Scarth (Independent) 8 (0.03%)
»www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop···lts.html
guide to who they were here »news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7483851.stm |
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  jvmorris I Am The Man Who Was Not There. Premium,MVM join:2001-04-03 Reston, VA | Hey, Paul, this brings up an interesting question: Would I have to be a (legal) British resident to run for Parliament?  -- Regards, Joseph V. Morris |
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 pauldenton
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| said by jvmorris :Hey, Paul, this brings up an interesting question: Would I have to be a (legal) British resident to run for Parliament? only if you have a(n unknown to me) non-american nationality*... for Westminster: quote: People wishing to stand as an MP must be over 18 years of age, and a British citizen, or citizen of a Commonwealth country or the Republic of Ireland.
Candidates must be nominated by ten parliamentary electors of the constituency they wish to stand in.
»www.parliament.uk/about/how/memb···ates.cfm
for Brussels/Strasbourg: age 21 be a citizen of a Member state be UK {which for european electoral purposes includes Gibraltar..it's lumped in with the South-west of England } resident
*or you could try and persuade the US to join the Commonwealth.... aside from accepting QEII (and her successors) as the head of the Commonwealth the other requirements (being a Sovereign nation, English as the Commonwealth language, and the Harare declaration**) are a piece of cake...
** quote: * We believe that international peace and order, global economic development and the rule of international law are essential to the security and prosperity of mankind;
* We believe in the liberty of the individual under the law, in equal rights for all citizens regardless of gender, race, colour, creed or political belief, and in the individual's inalienable right to participate by means of free and democratic political processes in framing the society in which he or she lives;
* We recognise racial prejudice and intolerance as a dangerous sickness and a threat to healthy development, and racial discrimination as an unmitigated evil;
* We oppose all forms of racial oppression, and we are committed to the principles of human dignity and equality;
* We recognise the importance and urgency of economic and social development to satisfy the basic needs and aspirations of the vast majority of the peoples of the world, and seek the progressive removal of the wide disparities in living standards amongst our members.
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