chronoss2008
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| this is legal now and has no copyright but new law .....
Marx.Brothers.Animal.Crackers.1930.DVDRip.XviD-iLS
to give you an idea how this law if enacted WILL BE STRUCT down.
50 years = current copyright.
year is 2008
that measn 1958 and before has no more rights attached to it.
the above dvd rip with the new law would give me a 500$ fine for downloading it.
And because of the anti circumvention rules in it that i apparently break, i am now liable for a 20,000 fine.
and having software to redvdr it i would facr another 20,000 fine.
watching i ton the dvdr player because i circumvente dit would also give me 20,000 fine
If this law becomes law im going to remvoe all but these types a files and turn myself in so i can get a legal aid lawyer and then were off to the supreme court.
NO law i know of is more discriminatory and evil.
This cannot be enforcable as it stands and my bet on law i know of is that the anti circumvention laws will run contrary to the charter , as well i may in fact ask for the maximum pain and suffering ( recent man got 300,000$ ) |
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noelstrom
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London, ON | The 50 tear expiry is not exactly true - it's 50 years FOLLOWING the death of the last copyright holder...
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dirtyjeffer
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why don't you simply purchase the DVD instead of downloading it...the reason for this law to prevent the abuse of media that has run rampant in the last 10 years.
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Styvas
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| said by dirtyjeffer  :why don't you simply purchase the DVD instead of downloading it...the reason for this law to prevent the abuse of media that has run rampant in the last 10 years. No kidding.  Sure there are legit uses for downloading and ripping software, but that's seriously got to account for about 0.0001% what's going on out there. I personally think the proposed law is stupid because it hasn't been well thought through. But most people are mad because the gravy train is over in Canada, not because some moron can't draft consistent legislation.
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chronoss2008
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2 edits | reply to chronoss2008
tell me exactly where i am to find such stuff and after 50 years they want to charge me 20$ or 30$ get bent
no the reason for this law is to allow hollywood to run the country in a complete effective control.
AKA ben mulroney of entertainment tonight as the son of what ex prime minister and what place ( CTV ) that is getitng all the news in locked rooms before anyone else.
no sir you are wrong also about copyright being after the last dead relative. It is 50 years for this. and that means i become a criminal by abuse of copyright.
Why should i pay anyhting for something that old.
frak you to think you or anyone should make money off it.
heck i would argue a straight 20 years for films and tv.
after that you have made the majority 99% your going too and you are still making stuff right?
Or is it that the stuff you make now is so shitty you nee dot keep extending the length of copyright so you cna make a buck , cause otherwise the crap you make now you wouldn't be able to afford it cause youd have no money.
And just how many sales of the movie i post were in this year?
5 -10 20
world wide?
100
like give me a break this law is about CONTROL AND GREED.
why do you think the big bunch in hollywood oppose the p2p levy/liscense proposal by sac ( not enough cash nope - world wide it would get them 35 billion )
no its cause the system that comes removes there control
it makes it fairer to new artists, and gives us actual enjoyment and lessons the number of lawyers on this planet ( no offense but anyhting that lessons the number of lawyers on earth the better )
»uha1.com/blog/htdocs/index.php
im slowly working this into a real site to discuss solutions MADE IN CANADA rather then ramme dup my butt form some foreign lobby group.
ALSO ANY publicly out there "public domain movie"
that was dvd ripped is now or shall be a 20000 fine regardless of the copyright length.
Thsi is the point
that movie no longer resides in copyright in canada and because it was dvd ripped its a 20000 fine.
That has nothing to do with piracy its fraud and rip off.
»excesscopyright.blogspot.com/
read how the conservatives lied to YOU ALL.
how they promised me basically i would be able to download my tv and those old movies for personal use
nothing commercial here
not selling anything not sharing anything
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EVERY MOVIE AT THIS SITE IS NOW ILLEGAL ACCORDING TO
the ANTI-CIRCUMVENTION LAW.
»www.publicdomainflicks.com/
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thanks go get me a copy another way. some movies you cant anymore.
so we now are losing history and other things. |
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Styvas
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| Your issue is not with copyrights, it's with control. You want to be able to do what you want when you want and don't want anyone telling you otherwise. Well, in the words of someone from long ago, "you can't always get what you want," and "there's no such thing as a free lunch."
From other threads in which you've posted, I know that you're not flush with money, but that doesn't mean the world owes you everything you want for free (whether it's half a century old or otherwise).
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chronoss2008
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2 edits | reply to chronoss2008
no,
It is with some dumb idiots giving me a fine for something thats legally free just because the person sharing it to me the ONLY source i know of ripped it from a dvdr.
and that gets me from 40500 to 50000 in fines.
( and yes that means that due to not being under copyright that no one can sue me ) SO FRAKING WHAT someone can't sue me great oh and heres the tax on old stuff
this effectively ends public domain software , like abandononia.com
it effectively kills me reburing the stuff from public domain to dvdr as the doing of it is an offense ( fine)
read letter d on this website:
»excesscopyright.blogspot.com/
so music is ok but ANY MOVIE is permanent control copyright
they will charge and charge and charge until the actual people just stop and start dancing aorund fies like cave men did.
Even according to there own stats almost 20-25% of all people get tv off the net. Will i get life in prison if i download 24 eps of a season a tv form 1950.
your saying that copyright exists beyond 50 years is an american law NOT HERE i read the law after 50 years thats it. ( sorry amercan is 95years ) |
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said by chronoss2008 :tell me exactly where i am to find such stuff and after 50 years they want to charge me 20$ or 30$ get bent The 30-50 bucks being asked for the Marx Brother's Silver Screen Collection DVD is not only a great bargain, it also is a convenient way for fans to get their hands on a great collection of actively copyrighted works that they would probably be shit out of luck if they wanted to compile it themselves.
The time you save alone is well worth the money spent.
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Bender2000
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said by Styvas :said by dirtyjeffer :why don't you simply purchase the DVD instead of downloading it...the reason for this law to prevent the abuse of media that has run rampant in the last 10 years. No kidding. Sure there are legit uses for downloading and ripping software, but that's seriously got to account for about 0.0001% what's going on out there. I personally think the proposed law is stupid because it hasn't been well thought through. But most people are mad because the gravy train is over in Canada, not because some moron can't draft consistent legislation. gravy train will keep on chuggin. This will not stop downloaders. Still plenty of downloaders in the states, despite the "judge jury and executioner" style of the RIAA and MPAA. |
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Styvas
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| said by Bender2000 :gravy train will keep on chuggin. This will not stop downloaders. Still plenty of downloaders in the states, despite the "judge jury and executioner" style of the RIAA and MPAA. I meant the legal gravy chain. Obviously downloading will continue.
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Rifleman
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It is Canada more than the US where one can really see how big money actually influences law in this country. |
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said by Styvas :[I personally think the proposed law is stupid because it hasn't been well thought through. But most people are mad because the gravy train is over in Canada, not because some moron can't draft consistent legislation. This law is VERY unlikely to ever be passed. Everyone is in an uproar over something that isn't going to happen. Every political analyst I've read says this bill will die when the current legislative session expires this summer.
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Styvas
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| I agree with you. But at some point someone is going to get a majority government and is going to put something like this through. And I sure hope that whatever bill actually gets passed is a lot better written than this one (based on what I've heard about it). |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Styvas :[I personally think the proposed law is stupid because it hasn't been well thought through. But most people are mad because the gravy train is over in Canada, not because some moron can't draft consistent legislation. This law is VERY unlikely to ever be passed. Everyone is in an uproar over something that isn't going to happen. Every political analyst I've read says this bill will die when the current legislative session expires this summer. Just because we hit the summer doesn't mean the session dies. It's just a summer adjournment -- the same session continues in the fall. The question is will we hit an election or prorogation before this has a chance of moving anywhere. Likely, yes. But nothing is for sure. |
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spaterson
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said by chronoss2008 :Why should i pay anyhting for something that old. Why shouldn't you? You obviously want it bad enough to complain that you shouldn't have to pay for it, so it clearly has some value to you. Therefore, you should pay for it.
Your logic that you shouldn't have to pay for something because it's so old is severely flawed.
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dirtyjeffer
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said by chronoss2008 :Why should i pay anyhting for something that old. because the owner has it available for sale...it isn't "out" there free for the taking (it probably is, but not legally)...someone put a lot of time and money into writing, filming, editing, and producing the product...if you want it, buy it.
it is really upsetting to see what type of "attitude" our next generation has grown up with...i feel we are in for tough times ahead, as our future leaders do not look promising.
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Dan
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1 edit | Worried about the next generation?
Now
I'd be happy to have us as the next generation.
Media, as in Video, Audio, etc should not be something we pay for on a per file basis. It's an archive of humanity, and human achievement, and regardless if I agree with the OP (which I don't), I still feel that non-physical things, such as music should not be allowed to be copyrighted.
Copyright serves nothing for the average person. Music is something so personal, non-commercial, personal home use, on all media should be allowed. The business who makes money off performing the music (be it DJing, or Live performances) are the ones who should pony up per track licensing.
The fact that most of you side with forking money over for something thats played on the Radio or TV for free is astonishing. At any point in time if a song or episode has played on services which I pay for, I will NOT pay again for it. Thank you and goodnight.
The state of copyright, and its enforcement is something that needs to be abolished ASAP. We are doing nothing to benefit ourselves as a whole, just a few select individuals.
The Shift
For my generation (25 and under), we've grown up in a time when everything is instant, and a tool we have in our homes can access EVERYTHING. It's not like we are growing up with albums and no home video. We don't purchase, listen, then collect the music. We just want access to listen, thats all.
A massive shift in the media market will happen. Still a profitable business, but nickle and diming will not exist.
Regardless if you agree with me, it's going to happen. You "old" folks still be forking out money to cable tv, but like it or not, that will not be the maintained medium. A fat pipe with access to everything is the future. 10-15 years it will start to emerge into a mainstream service, and 20-25 years become the standard way we purchase and access media. |
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Tyreman
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2 edits | Well you won't see free tv for a bit.
In fact most stations US side even if you have an antenna and out in the boonies you will need a box to watch it.
I think its around Feb next year.
look at the add lines across the tv about upcoming stations going off analogue broadcast means.
Just as the digital means has allowed the copiyng it can be very effective to harness it/stop it or control it especially with a big financial stick behind it. |
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harwoodr
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Yeah - you can get that on DVD...
In any case, the only things I download via bittorrent are:
a) open source
b) episodes of tv shows I've missed and didn't tivo.
B will be illegal, yes... that's what they have TOR for...
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Styvas
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I guess we'll do away with patents as well then. No point in those greedy bastards getting money for their inventions. |
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