 taoChaos ImpendsPremium join:2000-12-03 Lansing, MI | PTT sucks Push to talk should be banned, it is rude.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR CONVERSATION, NOR SHOULD I HAVE TO.
I did see the most amazing site with a PTT phone though. A grown man was talking to his newborn in baby talk on the bus. Freakin amazing this man suddenly became so immodest and was oblivious to it.
PTT is a low class form of communication, period. It is used rudely, period. -- I play darts: »www.triple20dartingsupplies.com | »www.adaoflansing.com I support unions: www. 1099aldrivers.org www.1039atu.com
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| said by tao:Push to talk should be banned, it is rude. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR CONVERSATION, NOR SHOULD I HAVE TO. I did see the most amazing site with a PTT phone though. A grown man was talking to his newborn in baby talk on the bus. Freakin amazing this man suddenly became so immodest and was oblivious to it. PTT is a low class form of communication, period. It is used rudely, period. Just what we need - another law! I rarely allow public cell phone users bother me, PTT or otherwise. -- I thought I made a mistake once but I was wrong |
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| reply to tao said by tao:Push to talk should be banned, it is rude. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR CONVERSATION, NOR SHOULD I HAVE TO. I agree with you man. If people were more considerate, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But unfortunately they are not :-( -- The older I get, the more I prefer to hang out with my dogs than be with humanity |
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 EPS join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA | reply to tao Hm, I don't see why this is limited to PTT users- I see people on "standard" cell-phones holding them down and yelling into them, presumably on speakerphone for some reason, and of course, those morons screaming "I'M ON THE TRAIN!!!! NO, THE TRAIN!!! THE TRAIN!!! I'LL CALL YOU LATER, BECAUSE I'M ON THE TRAIN!!!" (This is far more common than one would think) |
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| reply to tao said by tao:Push to talk should be banned, it is rude. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR CONVERSATION, NOR SHOULD I HAVE TO. I did see the most amazing site with a PTT phone though. A grown man was talking to his newborn in baby talk on the bus. Freakin amazing this man suddenly became so immodest and was oblivious to it. PTT is a low class form of communication, period. It is used rudely, period. Tell that to the police, fire and paramedic. May be you should move to a place where none of the emergency services have PTT.
And I cannot understand why non PTT communication would be then acceptable on the other hand. |
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 fireflierCoffee. . .Need CoffeePremium join:2001-05-25 Limbo | reply to tao I have to agree with you on that. I frankly don't see what the big deal is about PTT. It's not duplex so the quality of the conversation is no better than a walkie-talkie and it's not like it really takes that much longer to find someone on your phone list and hit the connect button to call them outright.
I've seen it used, I work with people who have used it, and I think it's overblown. Not to mention that annoying beep between each part of the conversation makes an already obnoxious yell-fest in public that much more annoying.
I dunno, maybe I'm overlooking some great aspect of it but it's basically the difference between hearing a ring at which point you answer the phone and speak and "Hey man, you there" at which point you answer the phone and speak.
Is the difference in a few seconds on a connection really that significant? Methinks it's desired more for it's novelty than it's practicality. -- Wishes: When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams can come true. Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor. --despair.com |
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| said by fireflier:I have to agree with you on that. I frankly don't see what the big deal is about PTT. It's not duplex so the quality of the conversation is no better than a walkie-talkie and it's not like it really takes that much longer to find someone on your phone list and hit the connect button to call them outright. I've seen it used, I work with people who have used it, and I think it's overblown. Not to mention that annoying beep between each part of the conversation makes an already obnoxious yell-fest in public that much more annoying. I dunno, maybe I'm overlooking some great aspect of it but it's basically the difference between hearing a ring at which point you answer the phone and speak and "Hey man, you there" at which point you answer the phone and speak. Is the difference in a few seconds on a connection really that significant? Methinks it's desired more for it's novelty than it's practicality. I used Nextel for about a year.. it was handy in reaching my audio guy quickly as he was in my speed dial.. I know the beep's are annoying.. I too wonder why idiots don't turn the DC tone down, you can do that as well as not have the other party on the speakerphone.. That really pissed me off... I always used the earphone of the phone and you don't near the annoying beeps.
only part that sucks is when the network gets busy on weekends sometimes it takes more then one try to reach the other person.
Also you can't reach the person if they are using data.. It will say something like "User busy in data" -- It's NOT Ni-kon It's NE-KON!
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 patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | reply to tao said by tao:Push to talk should be banned, it is rude. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR CONVERSATION, NOR SHOULD I HAVE TO. I did see the most amazing site with a PTT phone though. A grown man was talking to his newborn in baby talk on the bus. Freakin amazing this man suddenly became so immodest and was oblivious to it. PTT is a low class form of communication, period. It is used rudely, period. Time for Sprint to program new Nextel phones to use the ear speaker instead of the speakerphone speaker for PTT. Yes, its possible. The good part is, no Nextel user will figure how to turn on PTT on speakerphone, the same way they can't figure out how to switch it to ear speakerphone. I do know a Nextel user who always uses PTT in ear speaker mode, saving everyone from hearing it. |
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| said by patcat88:said by tao:Push to talk should be banned, it is rude. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR CONVERSATION, NOR SHOULD I HAVE TO. I did see the most amazing site with a PTT phone though. A grown man was talking to his newborn in baby talk on the bus. Freakin amazing this man suddenly became so immodest and was oblivious to it. PTT is a low class form of communication, period. It is used rudely, period. Time for Sprint to program new Nextel phones to use the ear speaker instead of the speakerphone speaker for PTT. Yes, its possible. The good part is, no Nextel user will figure how to turn on PTT on speakerphone, the same way they can't figure out how to switch it to ear speakerphone. I do know a Nextel user who always uses PTT in ear speaker mode, saving everyone from hearing it. same what I just said but yeah I got tired of hearing someone else's convo from 10 ft away.. I don't need to know what your talking about.
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to tao Most the people in public that use it are not the business users. They are the Ghetto BOOST people.
To say that they should be banned is pure idiocy and represents the person making that statement.
There are MANY of us that know how to use the Group Private feature and talk on the phone in private. Besides, why the hell would I want YOU hearing MY conversation..
PTT was intended to contractors and workers.. I think that comments like yours is a low class form of communication and should be kept to yourself. You show that since YOU don't like it that it should be banned. I'm glad that your way is the only way. |
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 taoChaos ImpendsPremium join:2000-12-03 Lansing, MI | Do I really think this technology should be banned? No, but banning technology, or it's uses that people are too ignorant to use considerately is well demonstrated and proper.
Good example of this is fireworks. Last year, a woman from somewhere south of Detroit was firing off some three inch shells for her kids, one didn't fire, so she looked down the barrel. I assume the last thing she saw was a spark as her stupidity got her killed in front of her own kids.
You know, one bad apple spoils the barrel. -- I play darts: »www.triple20dartingsupplies.com | »www.adaoflansing.com I support unions: www. 1099aldrivers.org www.1039atu.com
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 HEDP join:2008-04-27 Miami, FL | So you will ban fireworks because one idiot lacked common sense?
One perfect example of wasting time and money is a fishing license, just because someone lost a few eye balls by not learning to properly cast, means I need to pay 55 dollars a year just so I can fish legally.
I think it's something called common courtesy, if they don't have it oh well you can't enforce your own way of life into someone else. One of the reasons why texting is so popular now, is the ability to send information back and forth without the need to talk, hence there is no rudeness factor in it, as opposed to radio communications. |
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 | reply to tao said by tao:Push to talk should be banned, it is rude. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR CONVERSATION, NOR SHOULD I HAVE TO. I did see the most amazing site with a PTT phone though. A grown man was talking to his newborn in baby talk on the bus. Freakin amazing this man suddenly became so immodest and was oblivious to it. PTT is a low class form of communication, period. It is used rudely, period. I agree with yo on the rudeness level, I have had to tell too many hicks as we sit in a restaurant to put it on private, we don't want to hear their conversation as we eat. Amazingly most people don't even know how to do it. But, as far as a great use in the construction industry it can't be beat, easy, fast and direct connect, boom. And no charge for the walkie talkie, but as far as a phone service, it went to hell after Sprint bought them, please wait while the Nextel subscriber is located. Nasty. And PTT is line of sight, so underground it loses connectivity. |
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to tao No, I still don't agree that one bad apple theory. I believe it's Darwin in action.
"XXXXX should be illegal." Wrong answer.
If everything 'someboday' didn't like becomes illegal then the only thing left are those things which a dominant majority approves of. It would be a bland world of ours indeed. That was sort of the point I was trying to make.
We all should become more tolerant of certain things, actions, etc. (Of any place ever, this group of people has to be THE most INTOLERANT group ever! Just mention cell phones on a plane and see who's opinion matters more - a topic that I have learned to bite my tongue since you can't have a logical conversation with irrational people.)
We may not like certain things, or the way things are, or what they represent, but we leave them be, just as you wouldn't like it when somebody proposes that something YOU enjoy or like "should be illegal."
If every asshole succeeds in making something illegal they didn't like, this world would be bland place as everything with a slight edge would be illegal... We are all trying to much to impose our norms and values on others (well, some more than others - and usually, that group has no room to speak in the first place) and that is simply wrong.
We're quick to condemn others for the wrong world view, religion or tastes and this causes conflict. Sticks and stones will hurt my bones, but words will never hurt me; take it to heart.
Those who spend so much time telling others what they should or shouldn't do.. or how things annoy them really are the ones that, in the end, have NO clue what they are talking about in the first place, and, often, enjoy conflict and being miserable. If you were to eliminate EVERYTHING that this particular type of person wanted eliminated, it would never be enough for them.. something new would "annoy" them.. that person, clinically, actually does need to seek help before they go on pointing fingers at everyone else. This person "type" is one to believe their view is superior to all others.. |
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 taoChaos ImpendsPremium join:2000-12-03 Lansing, MI | said by fiberguy:Those who spend so much time telling others what they should or shouldn't do.. or how things annoy them really are the ones that, in the end, have NO clue what they are talking about in the first place, and, often, enjoy conflict and being miserable. Your point is well taken sir, but may I point out that you are as guilty of this as I in this case. 
It isn't really telling people what to do, but rather since no one is in charge of civility, pray tell then how do you get folks to RTFM, or to simply recognize that they are talking out of turn. As I stated, I don't really wish to make it illegal, but I would like people in general to be more socially aware of their surroundings, there is far, far, too much libertarianism going on. Actually, my simple solution for the bus is to turn my XM radio up until they cannot hear their PTT, or phone at all. I can fill the bus with loud with my system, and that edits every conversation.
Eh, one lady had a ambulance siren for a ring tone. She was told if I heard that again, she was off the bus and that I would get her banned from all buses. I tolerate a great deal, but some things are out of bounds. That damn repeating PTT chirp is one of them.
BTW, cell phone use in vehicles is going bye-bye, period. That train is on the track and it is only time until that law is passed in your state. -- I play darts: »www.triple20dartingsupplies.com | »www.adaoflansing.com I support unions: www. 1099aldrivers.org www.1039atu.com
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Off topic and on to yours.. I'd say this.. If I found out that a drive of a public bus could be the authority of what is and isn't allowed on the bus, ie: the type of ring tone, I hate to tell you, I'd be on the phone to the public transit office and wouldn't stop until I had your job. 
Sorry to say.. but I highly doubt you have the right to decide what ring tones are allowed and which aren't especially on a 'public' owned property. Now, if you are allowed to dis-allow ALL loud noises, that's one thing, however, your XM.. pfft! it would have to go to 
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 taoChaos ImpendsPremium join:2000-12-03 Lansing, MI | Oh, the PTA sets the rules of what is NOT ever going to be allowed on the bus, the driver is free to deal with whatever distracts him/her from driving. I've got you 10 out of 10 times on the safety issue, if you have my attention, then I can't do my job and that is unsafe.
Bottom line, I am in charge of the safety of 0-110 people at a time, your right to do as you please is surrendered at the door, even if you are the only rider.
That includes PTT. BTW, our system, and most bus systems, have a rule that audio devices can only be used with a headphones, PTT falls under that rule.
Those are the facts based on my seven years of experience. -- I play darts: »www.triple20dartingsupplies.com | »www.adaoflansing.com I support unions: www. 1099aldrivers.org www.1039atu.com
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