Permanent Storage in Digital Imaging Technology

Permanent Storage in Digital Imaging Technology http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20648821 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:07:38 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:07:38 EDT Re: Permanent Storage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818527 anon : CD and DVD backup is no longer a viable choice. In a very short time you will have a mountain of DVD's. Get yourself an external backup drive(several actually) and call it a day. Drobo is a great idea. I am waiting for the next generation of the Drobo and that will be that. No worries.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818527 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:31:57 EDT Re: Permanent Storage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20818481 simplykristi : Where can I get archival CD or DVDs?? I have a ton of photos that I need to archive. I am running out of room on a hard drive.

Kristi
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said by JPuppy

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I'm in the midst of a backup crisis of my own. I had several years of photos backed up onto an external HD, but had disposed of the PC that contained them. Naturally, my external HD suffered from an unrecoverable event, and the outlook is bleak.

My only hope is that most of the pictures originated from an old Powerbook that no longer functions (my son spilled hot chocolate on it about 18 months ago). I've pulled the 2.5" HD out of the Powerbook, and am waiting for an adapter to arrive so I can scour the HD for the originals (assuming the drive still spins).

Fun stuff :o

After this, I'll be implementing a new backup plan, using a dedicated file server and nightly rsync (»samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/). That will be complimented by a new USB drive stored offsite and synched bi-weekly.

I have a hard time trusting any mechanical device for data backup, I worked in service/support for too many years and saw too many external 'Backups' go bad, sometimes within a week of purchase. I don't think I'll ever use a hard drive for backup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20655683 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:59:55 EDT Re: Permanent Storage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20654692 JPuppy : I'm in the midst of a backup crisis of my own. I had several years of photos backed up onto an external HD, but had disposed of the PC that contained them. Naturally, my external HD suffered from an unrecoverable event, and the outlook is bleak.

My only hope is that most of the pictures originated from an old Powerbook that no longer functions (my son spilled hot chocolate on it about 18 months ago). I've pulled the 2.5" HD out of the Powerbook, and am waiting for an adapter to arrive so I can scour the HD for the originals (assuming the drive still spins).

Fun stuff :o

After this, I'll be implementing a new backup plan, using a dedicated file server and nightly rsync (»samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/). That will be complimented by a new USB drive stored offsite and synched bi-weekly.
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Imagine if the only copies of some irreplaceable photos were archived on iOmega 120MB Zip cartridges, or 8-inch floppy disks.

You want actual, chemical-process, archival-paper, physical, hold-in-your-hand photographs, not just arrangements of 1s and 0s that will be meaningless in a very few decades.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20652206 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:15:32 EDT Re: Permanent Storage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20651127 DreamCarr : These are all excellent suggestions, and I thank you for them.

I think I may go the route of Archival quality CD/DVD's in a safe deposit box. I was always under the assumption that the ink in burnables was organic and simply decayed after a few years.

Any brand suggestions? I usually use memorex DVD's for my files/movies, do they offer archival options as well?
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the disadvantages are that the hard drives themselves may fail, or become incompatible in the future.

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so, as already mentioned, off-site backup is an excellent idea in case your computer is stolen, burned, flooded, or just dies.

a safe deposit box is close to ideal; pick one that's on high ground. note that those boxes get auctioned for nonpayment, and can be opened by the government for cause.

specifically,
cds go bad if water gets into their edges between the layers,
cds sometimes dont record correctly, showing good thumbnails but half-recorded images,
and cds sometimes just dont play at all

and i have had several good hard drives that reformatted themselves upon installation in a new computer, wiping everything before i knew it, so bad that recovery softwares failed.

which is why folks suggest triple backup.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20650684 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:24:22 EDT Re: Permanent Storage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20649794 bjl :

said by DownTheShore

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Make sure everything is labeled as to who is in that picture.

And where/when it was taken.
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said by pog

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Periodically, test the media to make sure everything can still be read.

Great advice. Also transfer to new media as it becomes available and stable. I've been witness to the government as well as businesses losing archive data 'cuz there was no longer a way to read the ancient media. Over the next 80 years CDs WILL become obsolete.

A couple examples: Floppy disk drives are becoming harder and harder to find, especially for 5.25 inch disks. Videos of the first few months of your baby's life that are on betamax are lost.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20649476 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:21:40 EDT Re: Permanent Storage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20649340 DownTheShore : Make sure everything is labeled as to who is in that picture. I have seen older relatives go through boxes of old pictures and chuck them out because they had no idea anymore who those were pictures of, or because the person was dead, or was of the family in Europe that none of the younger generation here knows, and they didn't think that anyone would want the picture. The same will probably hold true regarding digital images.
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said by mromero

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overkill but stil for archival purposes
»www.robgalbraith.com/bins/conten···311-9472

Holy expansive archiving batman!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20649308 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:31:45 EDT Re: Permanent Storage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20649290 pog : In the old days, the average person just threw their negatives in a box and kept the keepers as prints in a physical photo album. Then, over time, negatives were lost... moreover, the context or specialness of many of the album photos was also lost.... leaving just a few that anyone cared about.

With this somewhat dour outlook, I would humbly suggest not sweating it too much. Select 10-20 of the very best photos, make some nice 8x10 or 8x12 prints (at a lab on real photo paper) and then just consider those your "for real" keepsakes.

The rest is untried and untrue...

Archive everything on high quality CDs. Save them in a safety deposit box or fireproof safe. Periodically, test the media to make sure everything can still be read.

Keep all your images in your "my pics" folder on your PC. When you start to run out of space, buy a bigger HD. Backup your data to an external drive, use offsite storage (mozy, your own hosted domain, etc), etc. Then, every time you upgrade your computer, migrate ALL your data to the new machine.

Personally, I don't maintain any archives... everything is available to me instantly on my current machine or via short-term backups. Well before I'm 80, I expect to give each of my kids a complete set of printed "keepers" and their digital originals... then when I'm all batty and behind the times, they can take of what ever needs taking care of with whatever technology is available then.
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»www.robgalbraith.com/bins/conten···311-9472]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20649007 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:44:36 EDT Re: Permanent Storage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20648863 HFB1217 : Archive quality CDs or DVD. They are a bit more expensive but are purported to be stable for 100 years or that is at least what is claimed by the manufacturers.
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I've just realized that we have around 1k pics from the first few months of my baby's life, and no idea how to store them till i'm 80.
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