roc5955
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Re: How big will the kick back be to the GOP.
said by DaveNJ  :said by roc5955 :Well if their stocks drop like a rock, than maybe the market just is not ready for satellite radio. If this was a REAL unregulated capitalist society, than the market would prevail, but this is just another form of corporate socialism, The government isn't giving sirius/XM any money. There are just merging operations. Companies merging is not socialism. Who said that the government was giving these companies money?
FYI: From Merriam-Webster online, the definition of socialism is: 1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods (or services)
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The government is, in this case advocating collective ownership of the entire satellite radio industry. By one corporation. By allowing them to do this, it is a form of socialism. If there was real competition in the marketplace, one or both would either sink or swim, without the need for the government to okay their monopoly.
And don't give me that stuff about it not being a monopoly. It is a monopoly of satellite radio broadcasting.
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said by roc5955 :Well if their stocks drop like a rock, than maybe the market just is not ready for satellite radio. If this was a REAL unregulated capitalist society, than the market would prevail, but this is just another form of corporate socialism, The government isn't giving sirius/XM any money. There are just merging operations. Companies merging is not socialism.
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roc5955
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Well if their stocks drop like a rock, than maybe the market just is not ready for satellite radio. If this was a REAL unregulated capitalist society, than the market would prevail, but this is just another form of corporate socialism, wishing that the merger will make satellite radio survive. If the one company goes down, than there will be some truth that people do not want to pay for radio, when they can get it for free.
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xxds0xx
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Rubber stamp????
It took 15 months!!! That is an insane amount of time for this type of merger. They have let oil companies merge (which effects consumers way more than this will) in a matter of a few months.
I wouldn't call this a rubber stamp deal. Check your facts. |
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Chiadi
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More like it. You forgot Clear Channel too.
James1 - 100% Correct.
Mr. Matt - Clueless. |
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Dogfather
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No they aren't responsible for world commerce. Only a tiny fraction of commerce is flown. The vast majority is done by ship and rail, especially with current fuel prices.
The reason the airlines do so poorly is because they keep getting bailed out. Other businesses are allowed to fail and better managed companies (eg Southwest) grow to fill the void.
And US airlines get subsidies because they have a powerful lobby, just like farming corporations, not because they're so pivotal to commerce. |
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Maggs
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The airlines are responsible for WORLD commerce, if they go bankrupt our economy either slumps or collapses. That's why most governments heavily subsidize airlines. Buying a 747 costs $16 million, imagine buying 60 planes.
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Dogfather
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They rubber stamped just about everything but this deal. |
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flankspeed8
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Rubber stamp?? You do realize that this merger has had more scrutiny and investigation than any oil, bank, telecom or any other merger in recent memory don't you? The NWA-Delta merger will probably close in less time than it took the FCC to deal with this. As if the corrupt Democrats would have done any better? Kind of like Conrad and Dodd going after Countrywide when they themselves benefitted from a sweetheart deal as a friend of Angelo. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | reply to EPS
They get occasional gov't bailouts too. |
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wwdubbia
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said by EPS :That's true- the only companies allowed to lose money year after year for extended periods of time are the major airlines, and even they have to go bankrupt now and then. Don't forget General Motors. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
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That's true- the only companies allowed to lose money year after year for extended periods of time are the major airlines, and even they have to go bankrupt now and then. |
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james
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That quote is exactly where I got that from. Both companies are bleeding money, it doesnt take a genius to figure out that if your company loses money each year it is in existence that's a bad thing. Investment capital isn't some unlimited money fountain.
The reason they will never admit they're going to be bankrupt without the merger is because if it doesnt go through, their stock will immediately drop like a rock while everyone scrambles to get out. No company is stupid enough to admit that it's doomed unless it wants to lose its investors. |
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ke4pym
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said by james :Either the companies merge or they both go under. Where do you get that from? According to this:
»www.charlotte.com/463/story/671846.html
"Both companies have lost money each year since they launched their satellites, but have not said the merger was necessary to keep them afloat." |
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The two companies said a long time ago that nobody would need new equipment for the combined companies. Channels that are duplicates from each service will have one of them dropped (like no need for two top 40 channels, two 80's channels, etc). The only things they'll be keeping from both are exclusive channels like Howard Stern, Oprah, Martha Stewart, etc. All they have to do is send the same content through each other's satellites, and everyone's got everything. There's no reason to make anyone get new equipment. |
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james
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said by Mr Matt :  I wonder how many $$$ Sirius/XM will kick back to the "Greedy Old Pigs" (GOP), through campaign contributions, for using the Kevin Martin rubber stamp to approve the merger? Nowhere near as much money as the NAB has used to bribe (oh I'm sorry, "lobby") congressmen and others in order to stop the merger.
Either the companies merge or they both go under. |
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|  I wonder how many $$$ Sirius/XM will kick back to the "Greedy Old Pigs" (GOP), through campaign contributions, for using the Kevin Martin rubber stamp to approve the merger? I guess the K-Street Boys will be throwing a party, celebrating another win or Corporate America! BTW they forgot to require Sirius/XM to replace all customers receivers compatible with the combined system. I paid about $499.00 for my factory installed XM Receiver. I do not want to have to glue a new receiver to my dashboard to continue the receive my XSiriusM programming. |
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