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sarpkaya

join:2008-03-04
Izmir, TR

Limiting Torrent, eMule etc...

Hi, I want to put some limiting on Torrent, Emule etc...
The thing that I wanna do is, I want my all BW lets say I have a 10 Mbit backbone, for example http is 3 mbit at that moment and gaming is 2 mbit at that moment, VoIP is 1 mbit. So at this moment I don't want Torrent+eMule+Limewire(and other things) use more than 4 mbit. I have a Radius server and I limiting users download speed but I want to do something like that.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2

Hmm NetEqualizer?



superdog
I Need A Drink
Premium,MVM
join:2001-07-13
Lebanon, PA

said by iansltx:

Hmm NetEqualizer?
Works better than anything I have tried. We had a M0n0wall box, Packeteer unit I bought off of ebay and Neteq kicks the crap out of them both and the best part is that I didn't spend 100 years entering rules.
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sarpkaya

join:2008-03-04
Izmir, TR

reply to sarpkaya
There's no support in my country.



superdog
I Need A Drink
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join:2001-07-13
Lebanon, PA

said by sarpkaya:

There's no support in my country.
You won't need any support, really. Just buy it and plug it in and forget it is there. It is built on a standard 1U rack server platform, so if something goes out it is easy to repair. The only moving parts it has is the fan.
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sarpkaya

join:2008-03-04
Izmir, TR

reply to sarpkaya
Is that connecting directly backbone line? Is there anybody else who is using that Netequalizer, could send topology of his network?



viperm
Carpe Diem
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join:2002-07-09
Winchester, CA

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reply to sarpkaya
You put it inline with your main bandwidth feed now granted dont you have to put it on the same subnet as your customers in order for it to filter correctly?

I dont think you will have good results if you put it in line if you are natting the customers and you put it in between your router and your provider. It should go betweem your router and your customers so it can filter all your Private Ip customers. If you are feeding all public to your customers then that will work as well..

Scratch that I am thinking of a net-enforcer bit et equalizer I always get the two confused.

I am not sure if the net-eq operates the same way or not..
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Chele

join:2003-07-23
kudos:1

reply to sarpkaya
Can the NetEqualizer handle two separate WANs(providers)?


iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2
Reviews:
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The NetEq *should* do that but I'm betting you're going to have to put one ethernet feed into the WAN port, joining the feed beforehand. I too am hoping that won't be an issue because I eventually would want multi-homed 'net access for customers (Cogent for bulk data, L3, Qwest or similar for latency sensitive apps).



superdog
I Need A Drink
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join:2001-07-13
Lebanon, PA

When you plug in the Neteq box, it doesn't care about IP's or what range it is on. You set the bandwidth maximum limit for whatever your pipe size is and then plug it inline between your core router and your first main switch and you are done.

said by Chele:

Can the NetEqualizer handle two separate WANs(providers)?
Chele, I asked the same question and the answer was yes and no. If you have 2 pipes that are bonded together and the output appears as one WAN to your network, it may or may not work depending on the bonding scheme used by the bonding device.

It will have an issue with 2 separate providers because of the way it is setup. If one pipe is a T1 and the other is a symmetrical 10Mb up/down, you can only set the box for one pipe size, so if you set it up for 1.5Mb, it will apply that setting to all traffic, essentially negating the additional bandwidth on the 10Mb line and cutting it down to a T1.

If you set it to 10Mb, it will then incorrectly shape the T1 and allow it to be overrun.

I love this unit and I can not say enough about it. With M0n0wall and Packetteer, you have to manually setup all of the rules in order for the units to be effective. After you spend a few hours getting them setup, it only takes the user/program 10 seconds to switch ports on you and that rule is then invalid and you need to go back and redo it.

This type of setup requires you to monitor your box constantly, creating even more work. The Neteq unit doesn't need to know all of this. It just counts connections per user (A limit you set) and the amount of bandwidth each user consumes. If the bandwidth is there and no one else is using it, that person gets it. If they are running Limewire at full throttle and another user logs in and starts to surf the net?, that user gets full priority and their pages will load quickly while the Limewire download has delay added to their packets.

IMHO, using this unit is a no-brainer for any ISP. It is a hands off setup that really works. I do believe there are some types of LANs that boxes like Packetteer or M0nowall would be better, especially in an office environment where all types of restrictions need to be put in place.
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iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2
Reviews:
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Superdog, there's also this company called Astaro They do a lot of biz stuff, not packet shaping really (don't like the term but that's basically what NetEq does in a very benign way if you ask me) but all the "all types of restrictions" stuff...

About the whole dual-WAN setup, do you think that setting up BGP ahead of the NetEq between two providers (as I've said I'll probably be getting McBandwidth in a large amount and then some premium stuff to back it up and so people can access certain sites with even lower latency) would allow for a disproportionate dual connection to work? And no I don't know much to anything about BGP yet. It would be something like 100 Mbps on one side and 10-20 on the other, eventually.

And if you're wondering where I'm gonna get the money for 100 Mbps, remember that Cogent will sell it to me for $600 a month And their network doesn't seem too bad either.


Bigpaddy_Irl

join:2005-12-12
Ireland

I too have a Netequalier unit. Its between my v2 server and my first 5.8Ghz backhhaul AP. I only have a 10Mb feed and thought i would need to be increasing it until I bought this unit. Now I reckon I will be able to handle twice as much subscribers with the same 10Mb feed. It was all the file sharing users whom were doing the harm, not bandwidth wise, but opening up hundreds of connections on each AP thus slowing down the AP and everyone elses connection.
I have to say im happy, it really is just 'Plug & Play'.



bc22

@comcast.net

reply to sarpkaya
Well I need to pose the obvious question, but doesn't this go against Net Neutrality principles that Comcast is getting slammed for? I mean I know we are all just little guys trying to maximize our cost while preserving our users surfing experience...and lets face it...simply put 90% of torrent traffic is the downloading of illegal copyrighted traffic, but how would throllting this traffic make us any better then Comcast?

Wouldn't it be better just to be honest about torrent traffic and tell customers that pricing is based on standard usage and anything over that usage is subject to additional charges?

Or tell customers that if they are going to be torrent whores to buy a premium service that cost an extra $10-$20.

Food for thought...


robbin
Premium,MVM
join:2000-09-21
Leander, TX
kudos:1

No -- the NetEq doesn't look at the content of the packets, only how much bandwidth is being used.


iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Comcast

Also, I don't think anyone's going to argue with you if you're simply prioritizing realtime traffic over non-realtime. ust so long as you're agnostic as to who's sending the traffic, not making deals behind people's backs, etc. then I'd have no problem with my ISP letting me surf the web or e-mail or stream at full speed, even if it meant that, when another person was doing the same, I could only get 100 KBs on a torrent instead of 150.

I'd much rather have a NetEq'd open connection than a NATed nonmanaged one, that's for sure. Especially if the NetEqualizer could solve the latency problems that plague some of the nodes on my current provider's network during randome times (it isn't always even peak hours anymore).



Nextel1

@aol.com

reply to sarpkaya
Sarpkaya, you probably won't need any support, but I'm pretty sure the tech guys at NetEqualizer would be willing to help you work through any issues.

And Robbin is right. There's really no reason to criticize equalizing the bandwidth. The only people that might are those that are making it slower for everyone else. The large majority have no idea that the NetEq. is even installed. They just know they are able to go online and work without everything seeming so slow. This does a pretty good job explaining how it all works: »www.netequalizer.com/neteqsetupdemo.php


sarpkaya

join:2008-03-04
Izmir, TR

reply to sarpkaya

Re: Limiting Torrent, eMule etc...

If I use NetEq, am I available to use Class C IP address which is taken from ISP or RIPE?

robbin
Premium,MVM
join:2000-09-21
Leander, TX
kudos:1

Yes


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