Yes I have a comment.... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20657236 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:52:33 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:52:33 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20667950 anon : "We'll we should get ATT, VZ and Comcast to roll back the speeds to the way they were when HSI first came out and then let people bitch about the prices."--- That's a great idea *IF* the federal government didn't give them billions of our tax dollars for them to increase the infrastructure --- that they still yet to give to the consumer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20667950 Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:01:28 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20663721 anon : More than double that rate actually. I just bought a home in SE Wisconsin (one would think that's reasonably well populated, right?) where I can ONLY get Wild Blue or Hughes. There aren't even DSL options for my new house! This was a bit of a shock, as I currently have Comcast High Speed Internet - in the country in New Mexico - which most people don't even realize is inside the U.S.! Considering how great my high speed internet is living way out in the boondocks, it never occurred to me that internet access would be a nightmare less than 45 minutes north of Milwaukee. Anyway, I tried the T.1 route, but it won't fly. I could afford it, but nobody would commit to running the services out to us in less than 18 months. Satellite nightmare, here I come . . .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20663721 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:39:13 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20663288 Cheese :
said by BF69 See Profile :

said by battleop See Profile :

"Do you think direcTv would have 17 million customers if they charged $300 to install the dish?"

They did in the early days when they had much lower subscriber counts. Hughs net will never have the subscriber base to offer higher speeds at lower prices. Their costs associated with delivering bandwidth are much higher than most other delivery methods.
I know what dircTv did. And as soon as they got smart they made more money. Of course Heughesnet will never have a huge subscriber base with those prices. they spend a fe whundred million on satelites. If they think they are going to make that mney back by getting just a couple hundred thousand customers they are crazy. Especially in this economy. Call me silly I'd rather get $50 from 1 million than $80 from 250,000.
I seriously doubt HN is thinking they are going to make their money back from just HSI. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20663288 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:02:56 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20662064 hottboiinnc : People complained about not knowing the cap they get told what the caps are up front and still complain. Thats the DSLR way around here. Havent you noticed that? They're not happy either way and believe the companies should cater to what ever they want to do online because of course $40 per month for 8/800 is too much. We'll we should get ATT, VZ and Comcast to roll back the speeds to the way they were when HSI first came out and then let people bitch about the prices.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20662064 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:00:41 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20660738 tim_k :
said by elios See Profile :

did you miss the its sat. some were "1.3sec pongs"
duh geo sync orbit is ~1/2 sec up and ~1/2 down at speed of light

lucky its not more then 1.3 sec
Pings for WB use to be around 600 ms until they started traffic shaping. Pings then doubled.
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said by Cheese See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

Duh, ya think? HN is for people who have no alternative.
We know that, DUH, the price is still ridiculous for what it is.
Its called a Captive audience.Kind of like the way i felt in Vegas a few weeks ago :(.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20659866 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:26:55 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20659797 DoctorDoom :
quote:
The vast majority of Satellite customers have that service because it's their only choice.

Just so. I have two options: satellite or 26.4 kbps max dialup. Given that, I'm satisfied with my HN Pro connection, which is usually more than ample for my needs. And I maintain my dial-up contract for those rare times when the bird and my box are not on speaking terms (massive thunderstorms, etc.).

I have no glowing reviews for Hughes, but I'm satisfied. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20659797 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:10:10 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20659632 BF69 :
said by battleop See Profile :

"Do you think direcTv would have 17 million customers if they charged $300 to install the dish?"

They did in the early days when they had much lower subscriber counts. Hughs net will never have the subscriber base to offer higher speeds at lower prices. Their costs associated with delivering bandwidth are much higher than most other delivery methods.
I know what dircTv did. And as soon as they got smart they made more money. Of course Heughesnet will never have a huge subscriber base with those prices. they spend a fe whundred million on satelites. If they think they are going to make that mney back by getting just a couple hundred thousand customers they are crazy. Especially in this economy. Call me silly I'd rather get $50 from 1 million than $80 from 250,000.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20659632 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:29:50 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20659244 Dogfather :
said by dvd536 See Profile :

said by Dogfather See Profile :

Where are you getting quotes for a T1 for $300-$350 total? My T1 is DIRT cheap at $360 plus $40 in fees. And that is for a short loop.

There is no way you're going to get a T1 for less than $350 out in the middle of nowhere.
But those cheap speakeasy T1 lines are really bonded DSL lines. think of it as DSL with a SLA.
I use Megapath (Covad). Verizon mentioned T1 when they installed the additional box at the MPOE next to the NID but that doesn't mean much. My regular Cu loop is almost 20K ft.

How can I tell the difference?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20659244 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:15:51 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20659195 Nightfall :
said by DrModem See Profile :

I'm in nowhere and got quoted $555 for a T1.
Yea, cause we all know the price in your area is universal for every sticks location. :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20659195 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:10:14 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20659152 battleop : "Do you think direcTv would have 17 million customers if they charged $300 to install the dish?"

They did in the early days when they had much lower subscriber counts. Hughs net will never have the subscriber base to offer higher speeds at lower prices. Their costs associated with delivering bandwidth are much higher than most other delivery methods. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20659152 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:00:40 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20659040 BF69 :
said by battleop See Profile :

They also have far fewer customers than Verizon.
Well I suspect $300 installation fees and charging $60-$190 for 700 Kbps-3Mbps and then having a measly 200 MB-500 MB daily cap would have something to do with that.

why don't they at least eat the installation and dish cost like DirectTv does? Do you think direcTv would have 17 million customers if they charged $300 to install the dish?

Their foot print is also slowly shrinking just like dialup. As wISPs, DSL, Cable and Fios slowly creep farther and farther out of town people will leave Satellite for cheaper, faster, and lower latency options. The vast majority of Satellite customers have that service because it's their only choice.
yes and my best friend would be a satellite customer if they would be reasonable. Do they want his money or not? apparently not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20659040 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:43:19 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20658907 dvd536 :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Where are you getting quotes for a T1 for $300-$350 total? My T1 is DIRT cheap at $360 plus $40 in fees. And that is for a short loop.

There is no way you're going to get a T1 for less than $350 out in the middle of nowhere.
But those cheap speakeasy T1 lines are really bonded DSL lines. think of it as DSL with a SLA.
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said by en102 See Profile :

I'll keep my 3008/512kbps for $24.95/month thanks
Sounds good! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20658486 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:57:40 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20658438 Nightfall :
said by iansltx See Profile :

Uhh, double? Try $1000-$1500 a month and that isn't even out in the middle of nowhere...

OTOH sub-100 kbps uploads from WildBlue are sooo lame. Oh, and 1.3 second pings to anywhere. Plus, WildBlue's website isn't even hosted on their own network :/
Yea, it widely depends. The point is that you won't find $300-$400 T1 rates for people out in the middle of nowhere. Thats where people are buying satellite internet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20658438 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:50:58 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20658222 en102 : I'll keep my 3008/512kbps for $24.95/month thanks
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said by battleop See Profile :

After all it costs nothing to build and launch a satellite.
less than what Verizon is spending on FiOS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657809 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:52:06 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657807 pabster : I use MegaPath and the total cost is just under $400. It is a fairly short loop.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657807 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:51:35 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657805 BF69 :
said by elios See Profile :

said by BF69 See Profile :

said by elios See Profile :

did you miss the its sat. some were "1.3sec pongs"
duh geo sync orbit is ~1/2 sec up and ~1/2 down at speed of light

lucky its not more then 1.3 sec
actually geo synch orbit is 1/8 of a sec.

speed of light 186,282 mps geo synch orbit 22,500 miles 1/8 of 186,282 = 23,285. 22,500 is pretty close to 23,285
true but thats as the laser goes
1/4 of a sec from base to your home not counting time it takes A. processing on the ground be for broadcast and B.Processing that the bird has to do
1/2 sec and 1/2 down is more of just a good number to live by
I know that but that's not what you stated

"geo sync orbit is ~1/2 sec up and ~1/2 down at speed of light "

You didn't meantion any processing to be done. I assume you meant pure distance. At any rate latency would be at least 250 milliseconds more than any terrestial interent you could get.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657805 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:51:19 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657759 battleop : After all it costs nothing to build and launch a satellite.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657759 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:44:05 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657725 Dogfather : And I'm sure there are some who think $57 for 8Mb traffic shaped/capped service is ridiculous.

It's SRS and those prices are in line for SRS. No one is making subs buy a $180 plan just like they're not making subs buy Verizons $140+ plans or $400/mo T1s. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657725 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:39:29 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657686 Cheese :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Duh, ya think? HN is for people who have no alternative.
We know that, DUH, the price is still ridiculous for what it is. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657686 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:33:32 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657668 Dogfather : Where are you getting quotes for a T1 for $300-$350 total? My T1 is DIRT cheap at $360 plus $40 in fees. And that is for a short loop.

There is no way you're going to get a T1 for less than $350 out in the middle of nowhere.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657668 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:30:03 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657640 Dogfather : Duh, ya think? HN is for people who have no alternative.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657640 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:25:58 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657632 ztmike : lol @500mb a day caps..i go threw that within 8 hours or so.
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said by BF69 See Profile :

said by elios See Profile :

did you miss the its sat. some were "1.3sec pongs"
duh geo sync orbit is ~1/2 sec up and ~1/2 down at speed of light

lucky its not more then 1.3 sec
actually geo synch orbit is 1/8 of a sec.

speed of light 186,282 mps geo synch orbit 22,500 miles 1/8 of 186,282 = 23,285. 22,500 is pretty close to 23,285
true but thats as the laser goes
1/4 of a sec from base to your home not counting time it takes A. processing on the ground be for broadcast and B.Processing that the bird has to do
1/2 sec and 1/2 down is more of just a good number to live by]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657612 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:19:59 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657582 BF69 :
said by elios See Profile :

did you miss the its sat. some were "1.3sec pongs"
duh geo sync orbit is ~1/2 sec up and ~1/2 down at speed of light

lucky its not more then 1.3 sec
actually geo synch orbit is 1/8 of a sec.

speed of light 186,282 mps geo synch orbit 22,500 miles 1/8 of 186,282 = 23,285. 22,500 is pretty close to 23,285]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657582 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:13:04 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657507 BF69 :
said by Camelot One See Profile :

Thats only if you pay the $300 upfront fee, otherwise it's $209.99! Most people would call it highway robbery.

I think the 500Mb daily cap would be the bigger issue for me though. Back when I had DirecWay, they advertised speeds up to 1800 down, which is/was fast enough for general web browsing. But I couldn't download a windows service pack without exceeding the daily limits.
500 MB a day = 14.65 GB a month. And people complain about possible 250 GB caps from cable]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657507 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:58:07 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657465 elios : did you miss the its sat. some were "1.3sec pongs"
duh geo sync orbit is ~1/2 sec up and ~1/2 down at speed of light

lucky its not more then 1.3 sec ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657465 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:50:09 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657449 pabster : It just depends. I've got a remote site which could be classified as BFE and the cost for a full T1 is under $400 a month. Obviously this varies wildly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657449 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:48:03 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657370 iansltx : Uhh, double? Try $1000-$1500 a month and that isn't even out in the middle of nowhere...

OTOH sub-100 kbps uploads from WildBlue are sooo lame. Oh, and 1.3 second pings to anywhere. Plus, WildBlue's website isn't even hosted on their own network :/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657370 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:33:36 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657366 EPS : That's the key thing- HughesNet isn't trying to steal customers from Verizon, Comcast, TWC, or at&t, they're going for customers who have no other option except for dialup (and sometimes not even that)... That's what lets them get away with such huge costs. (Plus, running a satellite operation isn't cheap)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657366 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:32:08 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657297 Nightfall :
said by pabster See Profile :

You're right. A full T1 is around $300 to $350, and you get an SLA too.

These guys are nuts.
Good luck getting that rate out in the middle of BFE. Thats where all these people are getting satellite in the first place. They aren't in the city. They are out in the sticks. Getting a T1 run all the way out there is almost double that rate depending on how far outside the city you are.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657297 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:16:35 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657295 MRCUR : Very, very true. I just downloaded almost 3 gigs from the Xbox LIVE Marketplace yesterday.

I'll stick with my 8/2 Comcast connection for $43/month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657295 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:16:18 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657285 pabster : You're right. A full T1 is around $300 to $350, and you get an SLA too.

These guys are nuts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657285 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:13:32 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657283 Cheese :
said by elios See Profile :

yea if bet you could get a real T1 for close to what they want for 3mbps and it might be better >.> seeing as 500MB a DAY isnt much and 14Kbps cap after? you might as well use a 58K modem its faster...
It would be better, better uploads, better SLA, no caps on download limits, etc..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657283 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:13:29 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657272 Cheese :
said by Camelot One See Profile :

Thats only if you pay the $300 upfront fee, otherwise it's $209.99! Most people would call it highway robbery.

I think the 500Mb daily cap would be the bigger issue for me though. Back when I had DirecWay, they advertised speeds up to 1800 down, which is/was fast enough for general web browsing. But I couldn't download a windows service pack without exceeding the daily limits.
Yep, hell even some games in today's world, just UPDATES exceed that! :o :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657272 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:12:06 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657270 elios : yea if bet you could get a real T1 for close to what they want for 3mbps and it might be better >.> seeing as 500MB a DAY isnt much and 14Kbps cap after? you might as well use a 58K modem its faster...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657270 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:11:25 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657269 Cheese :
said by Rob See Profile :

said by Cheese See Profile :

HN is out of their f'in minds! 3/300 for 189 a month? RIDICULOUS!
Said the person with a 8/2 connection for 57.95/mo. :D
Exactly, I like my 8/2 for 57 a month :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657269 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:11:08 EDT Re: Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657261 Camelot One : Thats only if you pay the $300 upfront fee, otherwise it's $209.99! Most people would call it highway robbery.

I think the 500Mb daily cap would be the bigger issue for me though. Back when I had DirecWay, they advertised speeds up to 1800 down, which is/was fast enough for general web browsing. But I couldn't download a windows service pack without exceeding the daily limits.
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said by Cheese See Profile :

HN is out of their f'in minds! 3/300 for 189 a month? RIDICULOUS!
Said the person with a 8/2 connection for 57.95/mo. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657258 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:09:50 EDT Yes I have a comment.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657236 Cheese : HN is out of their f'in minds! 3/300 for 189 a month? RIDICULOUS! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20657236 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:05:24 EDT