 tschmidtPremium,MVM
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Re: . said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services?
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2 edits | said by tschmidt:said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services? /tom When the country was founded, the Fed. gov't was supposed to provide basic fundamental services, like delivering the mail, national defense, and the Treasury, to name a few.
Maybe there are just too many gov't services that require funding.
Before the 16th amendment, there were no Fed. taxes. When they were implemented, it was 1% for all. |
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Trenton, NJ
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said by tschmidt:said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services? /tom He’s from NJ, he knows if Massachusetts is anything like NJ they will only waste it anyway. It’s very simple if they don’t get it they can’t waste it. NJ got casino gaming and the lottery very early on and even with those key assets every year at this time the state cries broke only to raise taxes on the middle class. A few years ago it was the added shore/motel tax, then the 1% sales tax increase plus additional tax increases. This year they proposed toll tax increase which is perfect with the gas prices. With any luck this year we will have another State shutdown and never reopen…. |
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 DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to tschmidt
By cutting services.
The problem is gov't spends like a bunch of drunken sailors. If they would at least make a small effort to control their spending, they wouldn't need to endlessly raise taxes. |
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said by HD_Ride:said by tschmidt:said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services? /tom He’s from NJ, he knows if Massachusetts is anything like NJ they will only waste it anyway. It’s very simple if they don’t get it they can’t waste it. NJ got casino gaming and the lottery very early on and even with those key assets every year at this time the state cries broke only to raise taxes on the middle class. A few years ago it was the added shore/motel tax, then the 1% sales tax increase plus additional tax increases. This year they proposed toll tax increase which is perfect with the gas prices. With any luck this year we will have another State shutdown and never reopen…. Yeah, don't you love how they raised one tax (sales) to use part of that revenue for tax relief elsewhere? (property)
Only in NJ is it considered good policy to raise one tax to cut another......... |
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Trenton, NJ | Since Brendan Byrne going forward it’s been all down hill however Cozine & McGreedy have to be the worst |
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said by MrSpock29:When the country was founded, the Fed. gov't was supposed to provide basic fundamental services, like delivering the mail, national defense, and the Treasury, to name a few. Maybe there are just too many gov't services that require funding. Before the 16th amendment, there were no Fed. taxes. When they were implemented, it was 1% for all. This is a state tax...
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| said by NetAdmin1:said by MrSpock29:When the country was founded, the Fed. gov't was supposed to provide basic fundamental services, like delivering the mail, national defense, and the Treasury, to name a few. Maybe there are just too many gov't services that require funding. Before the 16th amendment, there were no Fed. taxes. When they were implemented, it was 1% for all. This is a state tax... Yes, of course it is. |
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said by tschmidt:said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services? /tom I say reduce the government services to a point that the taxation is reasonable.
Start with welfare and schools. |
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 jgkoltPremium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH | reply to NetAdmin1
plus how prominent was telephones when the country was formed ehhhhh. maybe thats why you didnt see them mentioning telephone with mail and national defense.
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said by NetAdmin1:The only reason I mentioned it was because you were talking about the federal government and federal taxes... I know, but I took the comment I was responding too as a generalization, and not really just about this tax. In fact, I took both comments that way. But I think there is a point made there in either instance. |
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 MrMoodyFree range slavePremium
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | reply to HD_Ride
said by HD_Ride:It's very simple if they don't get it they can't waste it. Wrong! Just ask GW. Of course states don't have unlimited borrowing power though ...
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1 edit | said by MrMoody:said by HD_Ride:It's very simple if they don't get it they can't waste it. Wrong! Just ask GW. Of course states don't have unlimited borrowing power though ... Obviously you don’t know anything about NJ, once Trenton gets it they will waste it. That's why many NJ folks move once they retire, they can't afford to live here on a fixed income.
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For your perusal
»www.nj.com/corruption/stories/in···ery.html
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 jbobReach Out and Touch SomeonePremium
join:2004-04-26
Little Rock, AR | reply to tschmidt
said by tschmidt:said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services? /tom Taxing by the government should be for government services. The public utility structures were put in place and paid for by the public utilities to support business. They are not provided by government services. This would be like taxation without representation. Similar to what NY does by taxing telecommuters who do not live in NY. |
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MrMoodyFree range slavePremium
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | reply to HD_Ride
My point was, they don't need to actually get it in order to waste it ... borrow and spend!
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 alanhdslPremium
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Phoenix, AZ
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said by MrSpock29 :
Before the 16th amendment, there were no Fed. taxes. When they were implemented, it was 1% for all. This is a myth. The Whiskey Rebellion in 1794 was over federal taxes on liquor.
If you're talking about the federal income tax specifically, it was first passed in 1861, 55 years before the 16th Amendment -- 3% of income over $800.
Contrary to popular belief, income taxes have always been legal. The 16th Amendment was in response to a Supreme Court ruling that income derived from rents and royalties was actually a property tax. The 16th overruled this by saying that income from "any source" could be taxed. Income from wages was still taxable during this time.
This of course has nothing to do with tax policy -- how much taxes and on what. That's a valid debate. But you should really understand the history correctly.
And it also has nothing to do with this tax, which is a state tax. Despite having some of the highest taxes in the country, California's population is expected to increase by 12.5 million by 2030. If it's so terrible, why does everyone want to move there? |
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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said by tschmidt:said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services? /tom The income tax works well. All Massachusetts is doing is taxing the people in a roundabout (I know they call them Rotaries) way.
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Marshfield, MA
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said by alanhdsl:Despite having some of the highest taxes in the country, California's population is expected to increase by 12.5 million by 2030. If it's so terrible, why does everyone want to move there? Adjusted for general population growth of this country, and for illegal immigration, what does that number look like? The weather is probably a big factor, but you can probably find other states expecting more growth. |
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Its the apportionment clause that is the real killer in the 16th amendment:
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
Before this, the USCon stated,
"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States..."
"No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken." |
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