 R0CKYTSI RockyPremium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | The Bell Disclosure! Here it is boys and girls... Have fun dissecting it! 
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 milnoc
join:2001-03-05
H3B
kudos:1 | Igor! Prepare the lab!  |
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 HiVoltPremium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
kudos:11
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The numbers... Can I be the first one to say... WTF? Congestion?
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 mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | said by HiVolt:The numbers... Can I be the first one to say... WTF? Congestion? Seriously WTF?? How can the CRTC still be investigating. This is an open and shut case, there cannot be any congestion.
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Jman99
join:2007-04-24
Etobicoke, ON | reply to R0CKY
laughable. |
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R0CKYTSI RockyPremium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | reply to mlerner
Definitely an interesting table... no doubt!
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 PXATech NinjaPremium
join:2008-04-02
Ottawa, ON
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said by HiVolt:The numbers... Can I be the first one to say... WTF? Congestion? This is seriously what they're basing their case on? If this doesn't prove they're being anti-competitive, I don't know what will. Though undeniable proof doesn't guarantee anything when the CRTC is involved.
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mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | reply to R0CKY
After a close examination it does say percent of congested links (out of several thousand) but the critical threshold would probably be around 10%. Taking the highest percent before DPI which is 6.6%, that's still not high and if it's that bad it would not have been that expensive to upgrade those links.
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From what I read Bell basically shows that their current capacity is nearly 5X the current demand and they are expanding their capacity.
I understand peak vs off times, but I am not buying their arguments. |
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All of the percentages are lower! I'd hate to see what they would claim if the percentages actually went up slightly!
Now we need a class action lawsuit against Bell for their illegal practices. Then institute a regulatory committee to oversee the industry to ensure these kinds of things don't happen again. Then the CRTC should split Bell into two separate companies, one for the hardware, and one for the services, that way the "last mile" is out of their hands, since they've proven they can't be trusted with it. Failing that, all of the small ISPs should band together and get a large backer to bring fibre lines to Canada and watch Bell and Rogers play catch up. We've been shafted for far too long by this duopoly! |
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That was to be expected seeing most people have a 60 gigabyte a month cap. |
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R0CKYTSI RockyPremium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | reply to Topher92
I'm curious as to what the throughput is on those Ellacoya boxes.... Can they go more than 1,000Mbps (or even that fast)? Anyone?
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mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5 | said by R0CKY:I'm curious as to what the throughput is on those Ellacoya boxes.... Can they go more than 1,000Mbps (or even that fast)? Anyone? I thought I read that the newer models can handle as much as 750 Mbps but Bell has also installed several in each city.
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Mantiz
join:2008-04-02
Markham, ON | reply to R0CKY
From Arbor's website
»www.arbornetworks.com/en/ellacoy···ogy.html
Arbor Ellacoya e30:
Support up to 64,000 subscribers at 4 Gbps speed.
Arbor Ellacoya e100:
Support up to 500,000 subscribers at 20 Gbps speed. |
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R0CKYTSI RockyPremium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | Any price tags on these?
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said by mlerner:After a close examination it does say percent of congested links (out of several thousand) but the critical threshold would probably be around 10%. Taking the highest percent before DPI which is 6.6%, that's still not high and if it's that bad it would not have been that expensive to upgrade those links. not to mention the CRITERIA for getting ito that count of "congested links".
here are the utilization limits for congested as per Bell Canada:
DS-3 61%, OC-3 84%, OC-12 and OC-48 90%.
so, for one of those links to be considered "congested" and added to that low % graph the following has to occur (using DS-3 links as an example).
Over a 14 day period, utilization measurements are taken every 15 minutes. (snap shot of usage at that time). the limit of 61% must be exceeded atleast ONCE on 5 seperate days over that 14 day period.
what that means is that for the total UP TIME of a link over that 14 days (in minutes) is 20,160 minutes (24hrs x 60min x 14 days). The link must only be above 61% for a TOTAL 75 of those minutes to be considered "congested", or 0.37% of it's available time. Lets also not forget that there could be a sudden spike of usage right at that 15 minute mark and then die down, but i'll assume the entire 15 minute interval is at that level for simplicity, lol.
UHMM... OK. |
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Mantiz
join:2008-04-02
Markham, ON | reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY:Any price tags on these? I imagine the pricing is secret. Consumers would likely get upset seeing their ISP's spending money to cripple their service> |
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R0CKYTSI RockyPremium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | All of our DSL is over AGAS, which is over Ethernet... I'm reading through this... Did I miss any of the disclosures on Ethernet Statistics? Don't think I see any...
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 andybPremium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
kudos:1 | Half the disclosure is still missing.Filed in confidence again. |
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| said by andyb:Half the disclosure is still missing.Filed in confidence again. they only disclosed the information requested by the CRTC.
what they did was take the public document that had all the confidentiality "#" and replaced those with data that was requested, which is why some appears to be kept secret. |
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