HiVolt
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Re: The Bell Disclosure!
The numbers... Can I be the first one to say... WTF? Congestion?
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mlerner
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Nepean, ON
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| said by HiVolt  :The numbers... Can I be the first one to say... WTF? Congestion? Seriously WTF?? How can the CRTC still be investigating. This is an open and shut case, there cannot be any congestion.
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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Chatham, ON | Definitely an interesting table... no doubt!
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Digital Ninja
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said by HiVolt :The numbers... Can I be the first one to say... WTF? Congestion? This is seriously what they're basing their case on? If this doesn't prove they're being anti-competitive, I don't know what will. Though undeniable proof doesn't guarantee anything when the CRTC is involved.
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shopkins
join:2008-05-23
Nepean, ON | reply to R0CKY
From what I read Bell basically shows that their current capacity is nearly 5X the current demand and they are expanding their capacity.
I understand peak vs off times, but I am not buying their arguments. |
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Mirko five_perct
@videotron.ca
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said by HiVolt :The numbers... Can I be the first one to say... WTF? Congestion? Hivolt, per the publicly filed report:
"While these numbers may seem low to the average lay person, they are significant to network traffic engineers".
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HiVolt
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| said by Mirko five_perct :
Hivolt, per the publicly filed report:
"While these numbers may seem low to the average lay person, they are significant to network traffic engineers".
k?
I read that... I don't buy it.
k?
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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Chatham, ON | Still begs the question of the ethernet side... Bell's network is being converted to it and most of their investments have gone to it.
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Mirko five_perct
@videotron.ca
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said by HiVolt :said by Mirko five_perct :
Hivolt, per the publicly filed report:
"While these numbers may seem low to the average lay person, they are significant to network traffic engineers".
k?
I read that... I don't buy it. k? ditto... K! |
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sibisties
join:2002-10-19
Montreal, QC | I love the last graph that shows "cell loss" ! That's not caused by congestion, it's their DPI boxes that are dropping packets ! |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
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said by HiVolt :The numbers... Can I be the first one to say... WTF? Congestion? Just realised... How can they put a "total" to those values... They don't relate... They all have different thresholds and mechanisms to deal with packet-loss or load. They'd need to talk on a case by case, not on a global... Some of this is on a customer to customer issue other portions are on a more aggregated level....
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mlerner
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| said by R0CKY :said by HiVolt :The numbers... Can I be the first one to say... WTF? Congestion? Just realised... How can they put a "total" to those values... They don't relate... They all have different thresholds and mechanisms to deal with packet-loss or load. They'd need to talk on a case by case, not on a global... Some of this is on a customer to customer issue other portions are on a more aggregated level.... Excellent points, you should make sure these points are relayed in CAIP's reply.
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dabbadooo
@bell.ca
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The figures in the table that HiVolt posted go from to Mar 07 (pre-throttle days) to May 08.
I don't know much about networks, so I may be missing something, but if they're saying throttling is the solution to the "problem", why does their massive throttling effort show no net impact on these figures?
Also, do they provide figures for the rest of the country or did they cherry-pick Ontario & Quebec as the worst case (suggesting the real problem is not keeping up with growth)?
Does this represent all Ontario and Quebec or just the worst areas? |
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dabbadooo
@bell.ca | Sorry, I guess I shouldn't take a bio-break in the middle of a post. While I was out of the room, Zinc made the same observation as I did.  |
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yabos
join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON
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said by HiVolt :The numbers... Can I be the first one to say... WTF? Congestion? Soo, 2-5% congestion, so THROTTLE THE WHOLE NETWORK. That makes lots of sense. |
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CitiLaptop
@teksavvy.com
| Their definitions of congestion are pretty low too.
They deem it "congested" if the following utilizations are exceeded:
DS-3: 61%;
OC-3: 84%; and
OC-12 and OC-48: 90%.
And they measure it at 15 minutes intervals. For a link to be considered congested, the threshold must have been exceeded at least once on 5 or more different days of a 14 consecutive day period.
Presumably this 14 day figure is a rolling window.
So, if its measured to be congested at just a couple hours in a 2 week period, its considered congested for that whole month?
And only a few percent of links actually met this ridiculously low criteria for congestion?
I agree with the first couple of posters, the CRTC has all the info it needs to make a ruling yesterday. What's the freakin' holdup here? |
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Kareeser
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join:2006-07-18
Hamilton, ON
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I'm not sure whether 2-5% congestion means "The pipes are at an average load og 2-5%", or whether that means "2-5% of our pipes are fully utilized, and people are oversubscribed in those areas and getting substandard service"
I'm leaning more towards the latter, and 2-5% might encompass several neighbourhoods in Downtown T.O.! |
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TakeTheFifth
join:2004-04-20
Anjou, QC
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said by R0CKY :Definitely an interesting table... no doubt! What I'd like to know is how/where they measure congestion at the dslam. 5.2% of the links are congested. Which ones ?
Phil |
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Capharnaum
join:2006-06-19
Montreal, QC
| said by TakeTheFifth :What I'd like to know is how/where they measure congestion at the dslam. 5.2% of the links are congested. Which ones ? Phil Remember that criteria for a congestion isn't that there's an overload. It's just that their "limit" (which isn't 100%) was passed four times out of 1344 checks within a two week span (if I understand the documents correctly). Then that dslam is labeled as "congestioned". It doesn't mean that the dslam was overloaded at any time during the month.
It's pretty shady. |
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mr_hexen
join:2007-08-02
Brampton, ON
| said by Capharnaum :said by TakeTheFifth :What I'd like to know is how/where they measure congestion at the dslam. 5.2% of the links are congested. Which ones ? Phil Remember that criteria for a congestion isn't that there's an overload. It's just that their "limit" (which isn't 100%) was passed four times out of 1344 checks within a two week span (if I understand the documents correctly). Then that dslam is labeled as "congestioned". It doesn't mean that the dslam was overloaded at any time during the month. It's pretty shady. I did the numbers on page 1 or 2. it's 0.37% time.
if the available time over 14 days is congested as little as 0.37% they mark the entire 14 days as congested 24/7.
riiiight. |
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