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NOCMan
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join:2004-09-30
Colorado Springs, CO

It's Clear

Bell Canada was selling a product and failed to deliver on it.

I'm sure those ISP's who bought lines wholesale had SLA agreements and I'm sure BC violated it. I could not for the life of me think that a corportion would oversubscribe the services they sell to their customers.

Oh wait.. Sprint Frame Relay.
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ivan69

join:2004-01-30
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You forgot TWC.



espaeth
Digital Plumber
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2

reply to NOCMan
Every carrier out there oversubscribes their Frame / ATM / MPLS clouds. What's your point?



Guspaz
Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
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reply to NOCMan
Nope, Bell doesn't do SLAs for wholesale dedicated connections. They have some sort of best-effort agreement (don't recall what they call it offhand I think the word "goals" was in there) where Bell says what they hope to provide, but has no obligation to provide. So essentially, they have nothing.

Of course, since wholesale DSL service is heavily regulated in Canada, the question is did Bell violate the regulations. Everybody but Bell says yes, and it will be up to the CRTC to decide.


Done_Posting
Shoot to kill
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH

reply to NOCMan

said by NOCMan:

I could not for the life of me think that a corportion would oversubscribe the services they sell to their customers.

Oh wait.. Sprint Frame Relay.
ALL telecom services are over-subscribed. That's just how it works. I don't disagree with what you're saying, I'd just like others to understand that the over-subscription model is more widespread than folks realize.

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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:16

They're all oversubscribed, but when you buy a dedicated service like the AHSSPI links, they're not supposed to tell you that it's congested. They're supposed to at least pretend that they're not oversubscribed.



Jcan87

@bell.ca

Remember that the PSTN is built to handle 10% of overall potential load. Meaning if everyone tried to dial at the same time only 10% would get a line. Perhaps the issue is that the telecoms and cablecos are building their internet networks with the same mentality. In a world of P2P, this is not going to cut it.

Not saying they are right or wrong, but surely have to shift mindset if we want always on, always fast, always used internet.


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