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| No What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result.
Sure, having a decent broadband infrastructure would help competitiveness, but that boat sailed a long time ago when we shipped our factories to China and our software development to India and imported Mexicans to make our fast food and cut our grass. 100Mbps won't fix that.
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The Kapil
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| said by kapil  :What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result. Sure, having a decent broadband infrastructure would help competitiveness, but that boat sailed a long time ago when we shipped our factories to China and our software development to India and imported Mexicans to make our fast food and cut our grass. 100Mbps won't fix that. We need 100mbps, better health care, electric cars, bridges rebuilt, hospitals built, rebuilt school systems. If only the US would stop wasting so much money on stupid things. | |
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| Re: No said by XBL2009 :We need 100mbps, better health care, electric cars, bridges rebuilt, hospitals built, rebuilt school systems. If only the US would stop wasting so much money on stupid things. It will never happen. Issawi's Law of Conservation of Evil states: "The total amount of evil in any system remains constant. Hence, any diminution in one direction - for instance, a reduction in poverty or unemployment - is accompanied by an increase in another, e.g. crime or air pollution."
Therefore, you can never remove all the waste or inefficiency because it will only pop up in some other form. Also, as an immutable law of the Universe, it cannot be changed.
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| Re: No I believe the current administration has caused this law to become out of whack and that the supply of evil has increased substantially. This implies that we are due for an uptick in good to bring the supply of evil back to it's original balance.
that being said, it ain't gonna happen with broadband, because the government of this country just doesn't seem to give a sh1t if we have fast, inexpensive, widely deployed broadband or not. | |
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join:2001-01-13
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| Re: No said by Ahrenl :I think calling that a "Law" is a little generous. Maybe a Rule of thumb, or Superstition. I didn't make it up. It is part of the Murphy's collection of laws. If Murphy is considered a law, then so is Isawwi. | |
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join:2004-01-13
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We need 100mbps, better health care, electric cars, bridges rebuilt, hospitals built, rebuilt school systems. If only the US would stop wasting so much money on stupid things.
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Marion, OH
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| said by XBL2009 :said by kapil :What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result. Sure, having a decent broadband infrastructure would help competitiveness, but that boat sailed a long time ago when we shipped our factories to China and our software development to India and imported Mexicans to make our fast food and cut our grass. 100Mbps won't fix that. We need 100mbps, better health care, electric cars, bridges rebuilt, hospitals built, rebuilt school systems. If only the US would stop wasting so much money on stupid things. Like stupid foreign wars that do nothing but kill people, (a lot of them Amercian) make fat-cats richer and bankrupt our country.
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| its not the Feds that screw Public School Systems. It's the states that won't turn the money over to them. I went to two school districts in HS. One received only State money. One received Federal Money. Want to know which one was more maintained? the Federally Funded. Buildings that were always being remodeled to be more Eco-Friendly today, computer systems that were always being updated, school buses that weren't broken down all the time, bus drivers that were paid like they should have been, Text books that were new every 3 years (like they should be). and smaller class sizes. The most I had one one class at the Fed. Funded school was 23. The Public State funded the most was 35. BIG difference in terms of weather or not you had a text book that day with all the pages still there or one that was missing half of the chapter, or a Xerox copy. | |
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Forest, OH | everything you say we need can and should be done by the states or private sectory. Nothing you mention belongs in the hands of the federal government. | |
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| said by kapil :What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result. The US already has universal health care. You get hurt or sick anywhere in the country you can go to a doctor ANYWHERE. What YOU want is for the government (ie ME) to pay for your health care. | |
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BF69
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| Re: No said by AricBrown :The US already has universal health care. You get hurt or sick anywhere in the country you can go to a doctor ANYWHERE. What YOU want is for the government (ie ME) to pay for your health care. That's not true and you know it.
As far as YOU paying for it . Leet me ask yo is peoel wthout health get sick and don't go to the doctor and misses work and that hurts the economy that's going to cost you a lot more. If they end up so bad the end up in the ER sure then you'll pay REAL big for their health care. $50 doctor visit or $500 ER visit you're paying for one or the other, CHOOSE. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| Re: No said by BF69 :That's not true and you know it. Spoken like someone who hasn't been to an urban ER.
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Camden, TN
| Re: No said by pnh102 :said by BF69 :That's not true and you know it. Spoken like someone who hasn't been to an urban ER. that's not the same as walking into ANY doctors office you want which the poster alludes to. HUGE difference.
Oh and by the way since WE, the taxpayers do pay for the ER visit wouldn't it be cheaper just to pay for the guy to go to a regular doctor? Probably 1/10 the cost. | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| Re: No said by BF69 :Oh and by the way since WE, the taxpayers do pay for the ER visit wouldn't it be cheaper just to pay for the guy to go to a regular doctor? Probably 1/10 the cost. Uh, we do. What do you think Medicare, Medicaid and crap like SCHIP, which pays for "children" up to age 26 and in families with incomes up to $83k a year pay for?
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1 day hospital bill $4,9xx with minor exams and a ER visit. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: No said by person842 :
LOL $500 ER visit. You living in the 1920s or something?
1 day hospital bill $4,9xx with minor exams and a ER visit.
BS. In 1994 I had a car wreck was in the hospital for a week had surgery on my leg and the entire bill was 16 grand which included the ambulance service.
Three year ago my son cuts open the bottom of his foot on some broken glass. ER visit which included stiches and return visit 2 weeks later totaled $700. Where in the fuck do you get $5000 grand for "minor" stuff? | |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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| said by AricBrown :The US already has universal health care. You get hurt or sick anywhere in the country you can go to a doctor ANYWHERE. What YOU want is for the government (ie ME) to pay for your health care. Only if you have insurance coverage. Otherwise, you go to a county hospital and let the rest of us pick up the tab for you. At least here in New York, if you do not pay taxes, you are under 18 or over 65 you get Universal Health Care. Those of us who do not fall into those categories, pay for it.
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| said by AricBrown :The US already has universal health care. You get hurt or sick anywhere in the country you can go to a doctor ANYWHERE. What YOU want is for the government (ie ME) to pay for your health care. get a clue dude, who do you think pays the bill when someone without health insurance or the ability to pay walks into an emergency room? [note: I assume you are talking about emergency room care, because this is the repuglican talking point and you sure as hell ain't gonna get to see a private physician with no health insurance and no means to pay].
they may write some of the cost off, but the rest of it goes into making YOUR health care cost more. | |
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xtlosx
join:2005-11-02
Algonquin, IL | Amen. Finally someone intelligent answering  | |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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join:2001-08-25
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| said by kapil :What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result. NO THANKS! | |
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| said by kapil :What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result. Sure, having a decent broadband infrastructure would help competitiveness, but that boat sailed a long time ago when we shipped our factories to China and our software development to India and imported Mexicans to make our fast food and cut our grass. 100Mbps won't fix that. Can we say bigot? Mexicans must only work in fast food joints and cutting grass. | |
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Cleveland, OH | Re: No and can we say Raceist for you? | |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| The US does NOT need 'universal health care' what the health care system needs is a series of laws past and enforce that put the doctors in charge of the patient's health and not the health insurance companies. universal health care is another way to improving the health care of people, but not the only way. who know, maybe what i'm proposing would morph into a for of universal health care. | |
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We need to put the PATIENTS IN CHARGE not the Doctors - already Doctors are in charge like you are a little baby who needs them to write and order treatments for you.
As an adult I should decide what Meds and what treatment and tests I need.
A doctor told this model friend of mine to get a Colonoscopy for Ulcerative Colits, she refused, and the doctor dumped her, told her to get out of the office for refusing medical advice.
BTW the Doctor runs the Colonoscopy facility, and will make allot of Insurance money doing the coloscopy. So my friend knows what she needs for body and health, not some stupid Doctor.
USA really spoils the doctors, makes them behave exactly like Cops! Both proffetions are unique in ability to talk down at you and you have to take it, the Cop will put you in Jail if you look at him wrong or if he doesn't like your religion etc... Well A DOCTOR will mess up your operation or screw up your health if he feels you did not praise him enough or because you are wrong ethinicity... We can advocaate for our Cars health to a mechanic, but we can never advocate for our own body with a doctor without the doctor getting reven for irritating him with too many inteligent questions. MD's do not like smart patients as they make the MD work too hard, a dumb patient the love, as dumb patients will think the Doctor is GOD even as the Doctor is screwing up. | |
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join:2004-09-23
| said by kapil :What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. So, you want the government to do to health care what it did to retirement (bankrupted Social Security by abusing it and using the money for everything not related to social security/retirement) and education (churning out uneducated folks by giving them passing grades so their feelings don't get hurt)?
Every time government tries to run something, it bloats the cost and usually corrupts it so bad, the system fails miserably, at which point the politicians' only "solution" is to throw more money at it. Repeat cycle. | |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| Re: No said by jc1350 :said by kapil :What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. So, you want the government to do to health care what it did to retirement (bankrupted Social Security by abusing it and using the money for everything not related to social security/retirement) and education (churning out uneducated folks by giving them passing grades so their feelings don't get hurt)? Every time government tries to run something, it bloats the cost and usually corrupts it so bad, the system fails miserably, at which point the politicians' only "solution" is to throw more money at it. Repeat cycle. Actually, social security is a VERY efficient system. The funding problems are due to successive administrations raiding the trust fund for budget shortfalls.
...and until NCLB, the feds had very little to do with local schools besides providing some funding in some cases. ...and some other related benefits like funding for the school lunch program etc.
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dueceswild88
join:2005-06-22
Murphysboro, IL
| Universal health care is a joke. Look at every country that has implemented it and compare their system with our current system. I would rather see 100Mbs broadband speeds and deal with what is sometimes a hassle in terms of health care than have to wait a month to see a doctor that I don't even get to choose. | |
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The Kapil
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Chicago, IL
| Re: No said by dueceswild88 :Universal health care is a joke. Look at every country that has implemented it and compare their system with our current system. I would rather see 100Mbs broadband speeds and deal with what is sometimes a hassle in terms of health care than have to wait a month to see a doctor that I don't even get to choose. FUD. Pure and simple, SPREADING FUD. Have you ever been overseas? ...perhaps to one of these countries with supposed month long waits for doctors?
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Murphysboro, IL
| Re: No Yes, I used to live overseas. And yes, the quality of care received there was not nearly as high as the quality of care received here. I'm going to have to ask if you have been overseas and used those services...because if you have and they were so great, why are you in the US now? | |
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kapil
The Kapil
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Chicago, IL
| Re: No said by dueceswild88 : why are you in the US now? Ahh. The ever popular dont-like-it-then-leave argument. F off.
Yes, I have lived overseas...and have enjoyed single payer healthcare. Flu, heart attacks, AIDS, acne....those with "medical" problems found a doctor when they needed one. Nose jobs and bigger titties had to wait a couple of months. So sad. We all know bigger tits are a medical emergency.
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join:2005-06-22
Murphysboro, IL
| Re: No It's not a dont-like-it-then-leave argument. It's a simple question. If you found that healthcare there was superior to what we have, then why did you leave? Never once did I say if you don't like what we have then leave, I just wanted to know if it is so good there, why you left?
And I also never said a thing about elective surgery, such as breast enlargements.
I'll cut to the chase here, I can pay for my own healthcare with a very little in the way of income. If I can do it, then the majority of the country can do it. I'm not going to support any program that gives benefits to those don't have healthcare now because they would rather spend their money on luxury items. | |
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Camden, TN
| said by dueceswild88 :Universal health care is a joke. Look at every country that has implemented it and compare their system with our current system. I would rather see 100Mbs broadband speeds and deal with what is sometimes a hassle in terms of health care than have to wait a month to see a doctor that I don't even get to choose. Except see people in the US without health insurance NEVER see the doctor so you see a month wait is much better than NEVER. You really need to stop think the world works for everyone they way it works for you.
Oh and in those countries if you stil want to pay for insurance so you don't have to wait you still can. win/win. | |
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join:2005-06-22
Murphysboro, IL
| Re: No I wish the world worked as well for me as it did for everyone else.
I understand that those without insurance will not see a doctor, however, if I can afford health insurance for myself and my family while making little more than minimum wage, then I am very hard pressed to believe that the majority of the population in our country cannot do the same.
It's not that I don't want everyone to have some sort of health insurance, I just don't want to pay for it. Nor do I believe the government should be made to provide it. | |
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| said by kapil :What the US absolutely must have by 2012 is universal health care. I'd willingly go back to dial-up if every resident of this country got health-care as a result. Sure, having a decent broadband infrastructure would help competitiveness, but that boat sailed a long time ago when we shipped our factories to China and our software development to India and imported Mexicans to make our fast food and cut our grass. 100Mbps won't fix that. Forget healthcare. Give me bandwidth, and lots of it.
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join:2005-11-02
Algonquin, IL | are you insane???? I'm tired of paying for people and their needs, it's time to get something for me..
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kapil
The Kapil
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Chicago, IL
| Re: No Aaah. The new American way of doing things. Fuck everyone as long as I get mine.
Universal healthcare is going to happen. And it's going to happen this decade. The overwhelming majority of the people in this country want it....and you wingnuts have had enough time in the spotlight.
I'll have my country back now, thank you very much. It was a bad decision to let you babysit it for this long.
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| Re: No have your country back now? Are you absolutely retarded? Do you have any idea what this country was founded on? Do you know what the founders of this country set out for this country, the vision? It did NOT include the government taking care of people with health care. This is what the private sector is for.
Get it straight, the federal governments job is NOT, I repeat, is NOT to take care of you from the cradle to the grave. When the liberals take office, and your paycheck gets slashed by another 20-30%, you WILL complain becuse your universal health care won't do a GD thing for you. Nor will waiting for a doctors visit for months, or waiting for surgery for months. Have a chat with someone in a country that has this method and see how happy they are. | |
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The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| Re: No The neocon insurgency is in its final throes.
The violent convulsions always happen right before death.
Don't worry grasshopper, it won't be too long till you're resting in peace. Close your eyes and walk towards the light 
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