Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW in Shaw http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20697701 en Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:15:10 EDT Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:15:10 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20712754 swintec : My apologies, I was speaking in regards to the fact that some customers use the encryption to bypass ISP throttling of Usenet services, and then think they are getting away with something, where in fact it would not be difficult at all for them to then throttle port 563 or 443 traffic because of the traffic usage.
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Usenet Accounts]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20712754 Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:34:41 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20712475 zod5000 :
said by swintec See Profile :

said by emmpeethree See Profile :

one alternative is to use usenet with SSL encryption. no one's going to know what you're downloading. its damn fast and caters to leechers.
Maybe so, but it is not hard for an ISP to see the MB's upon MB's worth of encrypted traffic coming from your connection and take action accordingly.
As long as you're not going over ISP limits, would your isp care if it was encrypted? They get a court order to divulge that info, and that have proof that you're moving alot of encrypted files, which really doesn't prove anything?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20712475 Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:12:18 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20708094 swintec :
said by emmpeethree See Profile :

one alternative is to use usenet with SSL encryption. no one's going to know what you're downloading. its damn fast and caters to leechers.
Maybe so, but it is not hard for an ISP to see the MB's upon MB's worth of encrypted traffic coming from your connection and take action accordingly.
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Usenet Accounts]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20708094 Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:32:06 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20705455 anon : Yes, SSH/other encryptions with usenet are awesome, but like you said emmpeethree, you'd need a 'third party', less popular ISP... Here in the Okanagan we have Ispeed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20705455 Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:42:45 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20699484 emmpeethree : one alternative is to use usenet with SSL encryption. no one's going to know what you're downloading. its damn fast and caters to leechers.

fine print: unless isp provides good service (telus and shaw don't) it costs $10-15/month plus. however, pretty much the only service guaranteed to max out your connection. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20699484 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:22:44 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20697701 DS : Throttle more :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20697701 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:41:03 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20689579 upantsmaster : I wonder how Shaw will react if p2p programs are outlawed...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20689579 Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:27:30 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20668732 DS : Shaw never has listened to cease and desist letters for P2P violations, I highly doubt that will ever change.

Shaw is like the P2P safe harbour from Anti-P2P organizations, but then again they are throttling in select area(s) and/or times.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20668732 Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:32:06 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20654224 jbcalg : The types of media currently subject to private copying royalties and associated rates are:

Audio cassettes of 40 minutes or more in length 24 cents;
CD-R, CD-RW, CD-R Audio, CD-RW Audio and MiniDisc 21 cents;

»cpcc.ca/english/currentTariff.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20654224 Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:25:32 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20652426 zod5000 : "IF this passes, then I want every single related levy on media and media players dropped."

media players i understand, but there's no levy on dvd's, and who buy cds anymore?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20652426 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:56:20 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20645960 anon : IF this passes, then I want every single related levy on media and media players dropped.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20645960 Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:01:33 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20645596 anon : Actually, the best thing to do would be to first read the bill so you know what you're talking about :)

ISPs are totally immune from any sort of copyright liability. That means they don't have to police their networks for copyrighted content: it's up to the rights holder to notify the ISP, which in-turn must notify the customer (notice-and-notice) to maintain their immunity.

The US system, notice-and-takedown, is much worse: the ISP must remove material alleged to be infringing immediately upon receiving a DMCA copyright notice. This has led to censorship and abuse of copyright: www.chillingeffects.org

Shaw won't do sweet fuck all because it would cost them time and money. Not to mention that they have no idea who owns copyrights to what. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20645596 Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:49:36 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20645372 anon : First step, fight the proposed legislation ...

»www.copyrightforcanadians.ca/act···rstlook/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20645372 Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:33:47 EDT Re: I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20645360 netwerk : The ISP's are not liable. They will pass your information if requested by a court order.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20645360 Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:17:55 EDT I wonder what Shaw will do when Canadian DMCA becomes LAW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20645133 upantsmaster : Hey I am sure everyone here knows about the criminalization of downloading copyrighted materials in the near future (unless we all camp out and rally everyday until the second reading the parliament).


I read from the newspaper that this LAW apparently scrutinizes the hardcore download/uploaders and that the govn't and ISPs act as middlemen between the source and us.

How will Shaw cable track our downloads?

What do you guys think about the fines? Is it enough to scare people off?

How is Shaw going to monitor people and properly enforce this law?

Another question, do you guys think that Shaw is gonna track us through our IP address and internet traffic?

Man, if I am scrutinized and fined for downloading I am probably going to discontinue internet services all together and use it in the library.

SHAW IS GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF CUSTOMERS

I like to hear people's comments.

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