[northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my town in Rants, Raves, and Praise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20698145 en Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:40:37 EDT Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:40:37 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20752109 fruhead : Hey, Bucky....

-snip-

Y'know, I was going to write a scathing rejoinder to your little tantrum, then I realized that it would take five minutes out of my life and, truth to tell, I don't believe you're worth the effort.

Enjoy your pitiful life of alternately beating your head on the ground and shaking your fist in the air as The Man holds you down.

I'm not exactly sure your point in referring to us as 'zapotecs' - either we're a thundering herd of a native American people living in Oaxaca or we're...a language? I admit it's a very impressive word but, in creative writing, context is everything. As is your referring to us as a form of coal. Since coal has no 'pate', thus could in no way be 'addle-pated' (then again, it's possible that this term for mental confusion hasn't been used within the last century, much less this one).

Are we dealing with Aunt Polly here? Is Tom still out whitewashing the fence? Has Huckleberry Finn stolen another pie off the windowsill?

I point and laugh.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20752109 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:53:12 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20750335 MadMANN :
said by Doggonit See Profile :



Therefore, you are addle-pated lumps of anthracite.
:uhh:

Wow. You showed us.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20750335 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:50:14 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20741309 cocothebean : And just where is Glen Ridge, NJ???
Is like a surburb of the bronx???
:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20741309 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:55:16 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738906 Doggonit : Let me be rude: What part of oligopoly do you thundering herd of zapotecs not understand?

One option of DSL and one option of cable HSI service is still not an open market or anything akin to it. A few large telecoms divvied up the market according to what services they could provide and effectively control the market by providing equally abismal, slow, unreliable service.

Therefore, you are addle-pated lumps of anthracite. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738906 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:53:35 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20726900 cocothebean :
said by Doggonit See Profile :

In Verizon's little world, they claim to already have deployed some fiber in town, which is complete and utter rubbish.
You said it not me!!!
:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20726900 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:21:51 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20726055 ykronic : Definitions of monopoly on the Web:

* (economics) a market in which there are many buyers but only one seller; "a monopoly on silver"; "when you have a monopoly you can ask any price ...

Since you seem to be unclear on the concept after being told 3 times already, there's a definition for you.
Buyer = you
Seller = Verizon (1)
Seller = Comcast (2)

TWO broadband providers, by your own admission. If you want to see true lack of competition come to my neck of the woods. Telus is the only dsl company PERIOD and Shaw is the only cableco PERIOD for the entire western half of the country....Thankfully I love shaw and my service rocks :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20726055 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:41:49 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20724527 BurntCricket :
said by Doggonit See Profile :

Such collusion is unheard of in Europe.
Yeah, the government runs everything.
--
If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20724527 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:24:05 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20722695 MrSpock29 :
said by Doggonit See Profile :

I fed in the numbers for all the Glen Ridge side houses along Essex Ave, bordering with Bloomfield, as an example, and came up with no FiOS availability. I shall try some other borders next.

And for record, whichever fool said that Verizon isn't a monopoly here, you're wrong: They're the only DSL provider. That very much makes them a monopoly. They and Comcast create a veritable oligopoly by controlling the two broadband options: DSL and cable. If you seriously think satellite is a real option, you must have more money than Croesus and less common sense than Paris Hilton.
If you only had ONE choice for internet access, that's a monopoly. You have 2 HSI choices. That is a duopoly. However, the other options posted are still options, monopolies aren't defined based on a competing service being more expensive, or how good they are. It's about the number of choices. If you had dial up, that would still be a means to access the internet, even if not optimal. Mono = one.

And, flaming me and calling me names needlessly will NOT change the definition of monopoly either ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20722695 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:30:45 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20722265 MadMANN :
said by Doggonit See Profile :

And for record, whichever fool said that Verizon isn't a monopoly here, you're wrong: They're the only DSL provider. That very much makes them a monopoly. They and Comcast create a veritable oligopoly by controlling the two broadband options: DSL and cable. If you seriously think satellite is a real option, you must have more money than Croesus and less common sense than Paris Hilton.
A monopoly is defined as a company who provides the only option for a certain service. In this case, it's broadband internet. You are splitting hairs by breaking it down to DSL, cable, wireless, fiber, etc.

On a side note, In a sense Verizon is likely not your only option for DSL, as Verizon was deregulated sometime ago to be required to share their phone lines with other providers. Albeit, if you call a DSL provider, they will be piggy-backed off of Verizon's physical structure, which would do you no good. I digress.

The fact is, is that Comcast, Verizon, Satellite, and wireless are all broadband connections. Therefore, you have a choice. It's not Verizon's fault that the sat providers' rates are beyond what you are willing to pay. It is still competition.

Furthermore, let's say Verizon actually pulls fiber into your town. They would be the only FTTH service in the area as well. Therefore, according to your thinking, they would still be a monopoly, and would be as much over two services instead of just one. And, BTW, once they service your home with fiber, you may not be able to even go back to their cheaper DSL service if you wanted to. Let's say times get tough later and you can't afford your 20/5 connection anymore and you want to downgrade to the $14 DSL connection. If they killed your copper during the FiOS install, which they do a lot, you would be screwed. Then you'd be back here raging more about a company you hate, but somehow want to do business with anyway.

As far as them advertising service that isn't in your area, that is obviously not cool at all. But your understanding of monopolies is a little skewed. Don't worry, though, there are a lot of people who lived here all of their lives that don't understand it either. ;)

Oh, and one last note: Underground facilities are not necessarily better than aerial facilities, other than underground being a lot tougher and more expensive to build and service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20722265 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:01:04 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20722130 Doggonit : I fed in the numbers for all the Glen Ridge side houses along Essex Ave, bordering with Bloomfield, as an example, and came up with no FiOS availability. I shall try some other borders next.

And for record, whichever fool said that Verizon isn't a monopoly here, you're wrong: They're the only DSL provider. That very much makes them a monopoly. They and Comcast create a veritable oligopoly by controlling the two broadband options: DSL and cable. If you seriously think satellite is a real option, you must have more money than Croesus and less common sense than Paris Hilton.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20722130 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:37:06 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20719440 fruhead : ok, I'm from Montclair and, though I'm hesitant to stop someone from dumping on Verizon (they're not my favorite company in the universe), I have to say to the OP that Glen Ridge is all easement-fed, no streetside poles, and about four blocks wide. If you're living on one of the 'border-streets' with either Montclair, Bloomfield, Orange or Brookdale Park, you probably wouldn't have seen Verizon trucks or construction contractors pulling fiber - it would have been coming in from the Montclair or Bloomfield side. If, on the other hand, Verizon has ONLY fed those border streets and not gone into the heart of Glen Ridge, it may be due to access problems from the owners of the multi-million-dollar homes with landscaping alone that costs more than my house does. The same problem occurred when Comcast was upgrading the system in Glen Ridge and Montclair (think of running fiber behind the homes on Hillside Ave or Upper Mountain Ave in Montclair - talk about a nightmare!).

Just because Verizon doesn't have a presence AT your house doesn't mean they don't have a presence ANYWHERE in the town.

(Holy crap - did I just defend Verizon? brrrrr...!)

*steps slowly away from computer...calls therapist*]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20719440 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:33:02 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20714007 MrSpock29 :
said by Doggonit See Profile :

The issue is that Verizon makes unverifiable claims and that their DSL service is the worst on the planet, far below anything available in the 3rd world.

They cannot deliver a reliable service and blame the phone lines (theirs). Pathetic excuse. What sort of company is this that they still run their lines above ground? They won't even allow me to bury the lines on my own property, at my expense, obviously.

The speed is pathetic too. I have yet too see a consistent download speed averaging over 170kBps.

And of course their customer service is unbelievable. The gall of these bastards... the very temerity... I loathe them.

But most of all, I loathe Verizon because they are a monopoly. There is NO other DSL ISP in the area but them. And for cable, the only option is the hellish Comcast. Why does the FCC allow companies to partition regions amongst themselves to create what is in effect a oligopoly? Such collusion is unheard of in Europe.
"The issue is that Verizon makes unverifiable claims and that their DSL service is the worst on the planet, far below anything available in the 3rd world. "

The claims are verifiable, my DSL is fine, but if HSI is better in the 3rd world, then you have another option.

"The speed is pathetic too. I have yet too see a consistent download speed averaging over 170kBps."
If you posted a speed test while no other application was running, I missed it. Nor have you said what you are provisioned for, or posted stats. If you have problems, and you don't want to call, instead of complaining here, post in Verizon Direct.

"And of course their customer service is unbelievable. The gall of these bastards... the very temerity... I loathe them."
This looks like a loaded sentence, and just a rant.

"But most of all, I loathe Verizon because they are a monopoly. There is NO other DSL ISP in the area but them. And for cable, the only option is the hellish Comcast. Why does the FCC allow companies to partition regions amongst themselves to create what is in effect a oligopoly? Such collusion is unheard of in Europe."

Well I'll define monopoly for you. Monopoly is when you have a choice of ONE. You just stated you had a second choice. But, if you wanted satellite broadband, or wireless cards, those are ADDITIONAL options.

Joined 6/25, posts are rants. If you wonder why people are skeptical of your motives, that's a good place to start.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20714007 Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:15:57 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20713965 Doggonit : The issue is that Verizon makes unverifiable claims and that their DSL service is the worst on the planet, far below anything available in the 3rd world.

They cannot deliver a reliable service and blame the phone lines (theirs). Pathetic excuse. What sort of company is this that they still run their lines above ground? They won't even allow me to bury the lines on my own property, at my expense, obviously.

The speed is pathetic too. I have yet too see a consistent download speed averaging over 170kBps.

And of course their customer service is unbelievable. The gall of these bastards... the very temerity... I loathe them.

But most of all, I loathe Verizon because they are a monopoly. There is NO other DSL ISP in the area but them. And for cable, the only option is the hellish Comcast. Why does the FCC allow companies to partition regions amongst themselves to create what is in effect a oligopoly? Such collusion is unheard of in Europe.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20713965 Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:58:22 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20699339 Kingscup :
said by Doggonit See Profile :

That's a complete and utter lie as no one has seen Verizon roll up to install any fiber, the town council and the public works people sure don't know about it, and no one has fiber going to their home, never mind FiOS service of any sort.

My question is just this then: Why would Verizon lie about this? And better yet: Where could I complain about this, because it's false advertisement at best?
I had fios 18 months before the other side of the city was able to order it. It just takes time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20699339 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:50:59 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20699269 ProFiOSDude : The thing that matters is that if Verizon only has 1 customer in a geographic location, 1 is all it takes to make the claim of serving a particular area.

said by Doggonit See Profile :

That's a complete and utter lie as no one has seen Verizon roll up to install any fiber, the town council and the public works people sure don't know about it, and no one has fiber going to their home, never mind FiOS service of any sort.
Because you have not seen it does not mean that it is not there.

PFD]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20699269 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:37:00 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20699242 PandaB : Well this guy is about to have a heart attack over it. :P To be honest there is nothing you can do. Verizon will just fix it by taking off Glen Ridge wherever they accidentally put it. Maybe you could start a petition to start getting it in your city sooner.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20699242 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:31:48 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20699133 darcilicious :
said by PandaB See Profile :

It is just an internet service it isn't even that serious.
I don't know about anyone else around here but I take my Internet service VERY SERIOUSLY.

:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20699133 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:11:36 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20699115 PandaB : I'm sure if you are in Verizon Territory you'll get Fios in the next year or 6 just be patient. It is just an internet service it isn't even that serious.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20699115 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:09:24 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20698542 JrzyDave : If you hate Verizon so much what does it matter to you if they wire your area or not?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20698542 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:22:07 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20698458 ProFiOSDude : Is it possible that Glen Ridge is actually served out of either Montclair or Bloomfield? That's commonplace for FiOS...live in A but served from B.

PFD]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20698458 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:05:59 EDT Re: [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20698433 davl : So what did Verizon tell you when you called them?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20698433 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:02:24 EDT [northeast] Verizon are lying scum, there is no fiber in my town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20698145 Doggonit : I happen to be unfortunate enough to live in Glen Ridge, NJ, which is surrounded by their fiber in Montclair and Bloomfield.

In Verizon's little world, they claim to already have deployed some fiber in town, which is complete and utter rubbish. At the end of last year and at the end of May of this year, they have claimed that FiOS TV is availble in Glen Ridge, in Essex county:

»www.verizonnj.com/fttp/NJ/ListOf···2707.pdf
»www22.verizon.com/about/communit···3108.pdf

That's a complete and utter lie as no one has seen Verizon roll up to install any fiber, the town council and the public works people sure don't know about it, and no one has fiber going to their home, never mind FiOS service of any sort.

My question is just this then: Why would Verizon lie about this? And better yet: Where could I complain about this, because it's false advertisement at best?

My town will never have fiber, because Verizon is a third-world company run by idiots who can't even get DSL to work properly. Telecoms in the US are just plain pathetic all-around. I should move back to Austria...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20698145 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:09:16 EDT