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| | Isn't bandwidth cheaper in the US? We made the internet, we have a huge infrastructure here. Lots of worldwide traffic crosses our country. How can a US company cry that they need a 30gb a month cap to make money, while in japan they can offer 100mbit symmetrical lines and only need to set a 930gb per month upload cap? Our government is such a failure to allow this mass ripping off of Americans to continue. | |
|  EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Re: Isn't bandwidth cheaper in the US? From what I hear, the thing about all these high speed Japanese internet services is that the speed falls down hugely if you try to go to a website based outside of Japan, thanks to very limited bandwidth capacity on the undersea cables. | |
| |  RallyBah HumbugPremium
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY | Re: Isn't bandwidth cheaper in the US? you're right on that. If you stay within Japan and parts of Asia, you will see very high speeds. But as soon as you try and get into certain parts of europe and middle east, to USA - the speed starts going more and more downhill. | |
| | nitzanPremium,VIP
join:2008-02-27
kudos:2 | Exactly. I don't know the exact percentage, but probably something like 99% of Japanese traffic is actually in-country. Most Japanese browse sites written in Japanese almost all the time (for example Google Japan, Yahoo Japan, Hotmail Japan, MySpace Japan, YouTube Japan etc. - I imagine all of these actually have physical servers IN Japan so the traffic never leaves the country).
I think a similar thing is going on in Europe- we have a server in Denmark that has an awesome (100mbit) connection to most destinations in Europe - but as soon as you try to do something that involves the US for example, the speed drops to a few megabit at best. Why? because Europe has multiple super-exchanges which carry local traffic around, but as soon as you try and go outside Europe the pipe gets a whole lot smaller...
But anyway, back to topic - while I understand the need to use caps in general as they introduce higher speeds, a 30GB a month or whatever caps they hope to introduce in the US is ridiculous. I'm with the Japanese on this one - HIGH caps are acceptable - low caps are not. I typically a few GB a month on average at best - but I can totally see myself going far above 30 GB for some months. As more and more things like Video over IP and video in general get introduced, 30 GB is going to seem more and more pathetic.
Who knows- maybe this is a preemptive strike on their side to try and limit competition before it even happens? if you can't run high bandwidth applications like streaming HDTV bought from a third-party on your connection - you'd have to buy it from them. VoIP they can't win with, but IP TV and such they probably will be able to get away with blocking for a few years if they can get away with this crap... | |
| | |  RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | Re: Isn't bandwidth cheaper in the US? said by nitzan:Exactly. I don't know the exact percentage, but probably something like 99% of Japanese traffic is actually in-country. Most Japanese browse sites written in Japanese almost all the time (for example Google Japan, Yahoo Japan, Hotmail Japan, MySpace Japan, YouTube Japan etc. - I imagine all of these actually have physical servers IN Japan so the traffic never leaves the country). Do not forget that those Web Pages are being sent as UTF-8 codes which means that each character is (I think) 4 or 5 bytes (not the 1 byte of English) so you have to allow for that when you compute speed (IOW: If you are sending a 4000 Character English Page, that will [ignoring the HTML Tags] only allow 800-1000 Japanese UTF-8 Characters in the same amount of time/file-size). | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | said by EPS:From what I hear, the thing about all these high speed Japanese internet services is that the speed falls down hugely if you try to go to a website based outside of Japan, thanks to very limited bandwidth capacity on the undersea cables. i experience the same with bbb.se ftps.
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| | | | |  jubangyPremium
join:2005-03-26
Erie, PA
 ·ViaTalk
| Re: Isn't bandwidth cheaper in the US? said by jester121:Sorry, logical arguments such as yours aren't permitted here, we BBR members all know there is unlimited bandwidth that can instantly and cheaply be doubled or tripled for almost free overnight, and it's just the greedy telecoms that are keeping us down.  Logical huh. Where is the logic in businesses such as twc acting like they are going broke when they ahve to dump money into their business. While I personally do not agree with people being hogs and just downloading/uploading things needlessly just because they can, I also do not agree with twc's low caps, or the new business approach of charging one price for service, then when they have to put money into maintenance or upgrades screaming poor. Back in the day businesses set the price accordingly so it covered operating and upgrade/maintenance costs. If needed the price would increase to allow for inflation. Now all of a sudden that is not the case. So they keep the cost the same and put these low caps on it with nutty overage fees. That is nothing more then greed/competition killer. Everyone pays their fair share to be on the net, be it online businesses or residential customers, but in order to lure customers they advertise low prices and then they whack you on the backend with this crap.
And as far as people who think that 5-40 gig a month is just fine just cause that is all they use, so what. Just because you do not find a need for more, doesn't necessarily mean everyone is the same. More and more services are popping up online these days and as well they should. If it wasn't for some of these people who "hog" bandwidth or the companies who are offering competing services such as phone or other video options online, you wouldn't be enjoying the faster speeds, and some of the cheaper prices on shit like phone and some video as we do now. Without any kind of alternative what motivation do the big guys have to make things better? Instead of always complaining maybe once in a while a simple thanks would be in order. | |
| | | |  jester121Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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| Re: Isn't bandwidth cheaper in the US? said by jubangy:Back in the day businesses set the price accordingly so it covered operating and upgrade/maintenance costs. If needed the price would increase to allow for inflation. Now all of a sudden that is not the case. What day was that? I'm pretty sure profit motives have been around since the first caveman traded a shiny rock for two pieces of mammoth meat (when one would have fed him easily). | |
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