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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/177624"><b>Splitpair</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  hayabusa3303 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1226337"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>How many ground points are there in a Pcs sites? is it done in like a series or is it one ground per ground.( they are not paired up)  <br> </div>Varies by the equipment installed and how many co-lo's are present. The diagrams should give ya an idea though.<br><br>Wayne<br><small>--<br>If you cannot fix it with a buttset and some beanies you ain't a technician.<br></small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20942971?c=1338263&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="194554 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=475 SRC="/r0/download/1338263.thumb600~828cc8edb3a2d409a06968bef1cc682f/groundsite.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20942971?c=1338264&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="168141 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=423 SRC="/r0/download/1338264.thumb600~5b372dbafa89f24d6f5e77db5bbdf6f2/groundhut.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20942971?c=1338265&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="190868 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=496 SRC="/r0/download/1338265.thumb600~06e1a0aff1ee38f4ebaae01ba0c1bbe7/groundroof.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><b>AMD Phreak</b></A> : grounding on a cell site or any seroius communications site is usually accomplished using multiple driven copper rods interconnected in a specific manner.  To the ground rod system you attach the tower legs, the internal and external building buss bars, the lower tower bussbar, the upper tower bussbar and any other bussbars required (usually one every 200 feet).  To these bars you will find the coaxial ground kits bonded using the supplied #6 conductor.  The lightning protectors (usually 1/4 wave stubs) are bonded to the internal bussbar with #6 or most often they are bulkhead mounted using a copper plate at the bulkhead or copper plate somewhere in the building just before the radios.  some arrestors have a special adapter to directly attach to a bussbar instead of a plate.  The internal bussbars are usually interconnected (and connected to the ground ring) using #2 solid or stranded.  <br><small>--<br>"No job is so important, and no service is so urgent that we cannot take the time to do it safely."<br>-- AT&T<br>--Safety One Tower Rescue Certified<br>--LLigetfa:"Wimax is like teenage sex. Everyone talks about doing it."</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:27:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1504792"><b>Chazaxl</b></A> : Havent read the full thread but I would be concerned with the dish and its windloading. Not sure how windy it gets - but those few bricks will not be enough for 99% of the installs I have done or seen.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:43:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1226337"><b>hayabusa3303</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Splitpair <A HREF="/useremail/u/177624"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> It is what we use at 99% of the cell and PCS sites down here in the lightning capitol of the US and trust me those sites take direct hits on a regular basis and brush them off without as much as a blip.<br><br>Wayne <br> </div>How many ground points are there in a Pcs sites? is it done in like a series or is it one ground per ground.( they are not paired up)  ]]></description>
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<title>Is that a dual polarity dish?</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1441464"><b>irvingpop</b></A> : <br>What is the make/model of the dish you have hooked up to that PTP600?   Is it dual polarity?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><b>AMD Phreak</b></A> : i agree.... id be very leery about chemical interactions between the membrane and what you did.  they make mats for this application for a reason.....]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:21:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358053"><b>LLigetfa</b></A> : I'd be worried that coating the bottom of the skid with anything might attack rubber roofing.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><b>AMD Phreak</b></A> : Nasty photo there SP.<br><br>I suppose if one was really scraping the budget barrel, you could liberally coat that bar with penetrox or No-ALOX and go to town.....  If i saw it though I'd take a picture of it and laugh.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:48:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/709056"><b>seejaywhy</b></A> : Looks great. Those non-pen skids are wonderful, even in high wind. I've used them for TONS of applications from 14' tall 4" OD omni's, panels and sectors (roof level and on 10' extensions), and 2 meter VSAT dishes (roof lvl and extended) on multiple pitches and flat roofs. the more bricks or cindr blocks the better, and i also used to run flexible non-hardening duct sealant (monkey shit) on the bottom of the skid to aid traction. they held their own through wind and snow loads.. cali isn't tornado alley.. but my 2 cents.<br><small>--<br>"Someone once asked me where I lived and I said, 'On the periphery.'"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:16:55 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/177624"><b>Splitpair</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AMD Phreak <A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Airplane, Harger makes those types of devices although they are bronze and individual.<br> </div>And they hold up a lot better than the panel ground bars.<br><br>Wayne<br><small>--<br>If you cannot fix it with a buttset and some beanies you ain't a technician.<br></small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20773747?c=1326754&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="109177 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=304 SRC="/r0/download/1326754.thumb600~5030246f34519883098b52cac503edce/gbar.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:12:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/760510"><b>insomx</b></A> : I really like these pictures! Thanks!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><b>cbcalhoun</b></A> : Looks like you guys all have me covered. Those things are not going anywhere. The roof structure is metal with I beams it is able to support 100 Lbs per square foot.<br><br>-CC]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:27:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1543930"><b>wizunwired</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.sepatriot.com/manuals/np400-550-658.pdf" >www.sepatriot.com/manuals/np400-550-658.pdf</A> That has a wind load chart with necessary weights -  The issue I would worry more with a non-penetrating mount is wether or not the roof structure can support the additional weight or not.  On a newer building with a metal/concrete deck it shouldn't be much of an issue.  But on an older building with a wood deck you need to be sure you are not putting to much load on the deck or reinforce the deck.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:55:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1534537"><b>sarpkaya</b></A> : I do not suggest you to use that bricks for hold your antennas. It might be fall down from a light wind. Be careful.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:39:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><b>AMD Phreak</b></A> : Tom they are intended for permanent installations.<br><br>The only roof holes I make are for entry weatherheads and those are sealed with special boots, and sealed by a roofing contractor.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><b>battleop</b></A> : I might put a few more bricks on the back haul mount but the rest are fine.   I've got sites with similar sized antennas that have been in service for 10 years and they have not budged on bit.  <br><br>I would put a rubber mat under the mounts but under no circumstances would I ever ever ever make any kind of hole for any reason in any roof.  After all these are non penetrating roof mounts and bolting them to the roof would defeat the idea of a non penetrating mount.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:16:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/177624"><b>Splitpair</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  cbcalhoun <A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>What size grounding should I be running to the masts from the building ground. The largest ground wire I have seen is 6 guage and that is what I am running to everything.  </div>Number 6 is fine. It is what we use at 99% of the cell and PCS sites down here in the lightning capitol of the US and trust me those sites take direct hits on a regular basis and brush them off without as much as a blip.<br><br>The only things I can recommend are outside try to cut and splice the ground cables less. Loop thru&#146;s and un-interrupted runs are the way to go. If you do have to splice which you always will consider investing in a set of exothermic welding moulds a two-way for butt connections and a three way for taps is a good start if that is not happening then make all of your connection with a high pressure crimping tool and solid copper bars not those AL/CU ground bars. Inside where it remains nice and dry you can get by with those electrical panel grounding bars but outside they are going to turn white and go to hell in a hand basket real soon.<br><br>Wayne <br><small>--<br>If you cannot fix it with a buttset and some beanies you ain't a technician.<br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:23:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/660498"><b>TomS_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AMD Phreak <A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Actually Tom those are supposed to have bricks in them.  They are called non-penetrating roof mounts.  You load them down with the bricks which function like a ballast.  It keeps the mount from falling over in even the strongest winds.   :)<br><br>I just looked over the photos again and to the OP:<br><br>You need to load those down with a full compliment of bricks.  The AP's look like they hold eight, and the dish holds a lot more.  :)<br> </div>I understand, and indeed did realise that it was meant to have bricks in them (since they seem to fit so perfectly), but are they intended for permanent or long term installations?<br><br>I could see such a thing being used for temporary or short term installations, but if this is going to be a permanent/long term installation, wouldnt it be better to get a more permanent mounting installed?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:18:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/660498"><b>TomS_</b></A> : I would still prefer to see it bolted down. :-)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205331"><b>robbin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AMD Phreak <A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I just looked over the photos again and to the OP:<br><br>You need to load those down with a full compliment of bricks.  The AP's look like they hold eight, and the dish holds a lot more.  :)<br> </div>Thats what I first thought when I saw the pics -- there needs to be a lot more "bricks". ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><b>AMD Phreak</b></A> : Actually Tom those are supposed to have bricks in them.  They are called non-penetrating roof mounts.  You load them down with the bricks which function like a ballast.  It keeps the mount from falling over in even the strongest winds.   :)<br><br>I just looked over the photos again and to the OP:<br><br>You need to load those down with a full compliment of bricks.  The AP's look like they hold eight, and the dish holds a lot more.  :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/660498"><b>TomS_</b></A> : I hope those big bricks are only temporary, and that you will bolt it all down. <br><br>Would hate to see a big wind come along and knock all of your expensive gear over. Keep in mind that wind blowing on the antennas is creating a lever effect. The higher up, the less effort is required to really make things move and blow it over or bend/break something.<br><br>I'd be particularly worried about your dish, as it would have a much bigger wind load than the sectors.<br><br>Install guy rods higher up the poles aswell to help stabilise them even more. Those things must wobble like jelly (or jell-o as you Americans say :)) in the wind. This will also help to increase the strength and stability, and remove some of the levering effect.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027543"><b>Airplane777</b></A> : When I wrote that, for some reason the name "buss bar" didn't come to mind...lol.<br><br>Thanks,]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><b>cbcalhoun</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  superdog <A HREF="/useremail/u/429429"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Airplane777 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027543"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hi cbc:<br><br>Where did you get the ground wire holder in the picture?<br><br> </div>The "Ground wire holder" is actually a buss bar from a panel box. You can can get them at Lowes, Home Depot etc...<br> </div>That is correct. That is what I have #6 wire fits fine.<br><small>--<br>-CBC-<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cbcalhoun.com" >www.cbcalhoun.com</A><br>--<br>Retired BroadbandReports.com Seti@Home Classic Team Cache V Owner/Operator<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1088435"><b>MJimLay</b></A> : Ah Hah!! I thought that looked like Newark!!! I'm familiar with that area. Very Nice. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1388952"><b>Airnode</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  battleop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The stuff running across the walls in that picture are supposed to prevent birds off the building and sh&*ing down the side of the building.<br> </div>jepp it is for the birds.<br>Normaly they use zink-metal to cover the top of the walls on flatroofs so they dont want to have birds shi*** on that .<br><br>The walls covering is conencted every 2-3 meters to the main <br>protecting-loop wich is running around roof siedes each vent ore other installations there have a airterminal also bound to the loop.<br>How ever it is not in the Us as i wrote before, i only was wondering about such a large and relativ high roof without <br>protecting system on the pic's posted by cbc. I alway was thinking in Us are similar Regulations about Building protection ?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/429429"><b>superdog</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Airplane777 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027543"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hi cbc:<br><br>Where did you get the ground wire holder in the picture?<br><br> </div>The "Ground wire holder" is actually a buss bar from a panel box. You can can get them at Lowes, Home Depot etc...<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wavecrazy.net" >www.wavecrazy.net</A> <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><b>AMD Phreak</b></A> : Airplane, Harger makes those types of devices although they are bronze and individual.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027543"><b>Airplane777</b></A> : Hi cbc:<br><br>Where did you get the ground wire holder in the picture?<br><br>It looks like you are ty strapping it to the mast.  Thats nice and fast.  And appears to do a real good job for you clamping the wires.<br><br>I saw something like that at Home Depot earlier tonight, but the wire holes didn't look large enough to take # 6 wire like you are using.<br><br>Maybe yours have larger holes for the # 6 wire?<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20711131?c=1322189&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="289014 bytes" WIDTH=600  SRC="/r0/download/1322189.thumb600~49600caeb056bf03213cc152e8cf4b3e/Noname.bmp/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><b>AMD Phreak</b></A> : Indeed LLigetfa.  Terminals do not increase the chance of lightning.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358053"><b>LLigetfa</b></A> : Some people are of the mindset that lightning protection systems invite lightning.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1306614"><b>SipSizzurp</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  cbcalhoun <A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Wonder why this roof does not have any lightning protection? </div>Unless you are planning on a solution then that is a question you had better not ask. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><b>AMD Phreak</b></A> : Most roofs do not have protection unless it is retrofitted with protection, or it was purpose-built.  Datacenters will have protection, communication sites will have protection, grocery stores and commercial buildings will not.<br><br>:)<br><br>EDIT: You do not want to see my bill for retrofitting a roofline with air terminals and the whole 9.  It's pretty expensive.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:35:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><b>cbcalhoun</b></A> : That brings up the million dollar question. Wonder why this roof does not have any lightning protection? It was built in 1976.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:22:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1306614"><b>SipSizzurp</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  cbcalhoun <A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>But there is plenty of PVC tape around the weather tape on the connectors. </div>Good Boy !!! I was about to start having nightmares about water sogged RF connectors.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><b>AMD Phreak</b></A> : I prefer to use #6 personally for bonds and runs where applicable.  Depending on the situation I will engineer in #2 or larger.  It all depends on the budget.  Low budget gets bare minimums: NEC requirements met only.  Moderate budget gets: NEC + larger gauge wire.  Full-on do it once gets NEC + larger gauge wire + air terminals + cad welds + building air terminals and so on.<br><br>When it comes to sites, normally I have to meet Motorola R56 minimum  requirements for site builds.  <br><br>I'm quoting out a job right now and there will be a non-pen roof mount similar to your setup.  This job gets all points on the mount bonded with #6 stranded + Burndy lugs + Penetrox A between joints.  The mount is bonded back to the master ground bus in the building which ultimately is bonded to the electrical rod. All bonding joints are prepped with Penetrox A or CU joint compound, and terminated with Burndy lugs (special lugs for large gauge wire that have an irreversable crimp connection).<br><br><small>--<br>"No job is so important, and no service is so urgent that we cannot take the time to do it safely."<br>-- AT&T<br>--Safety One Tower Rescue Certified<br>--LLigetfa:"Wimax is like teenage sex. Everyone talks about doing it."</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/565356"><b>public</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  cbcalhoun <A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> I will try to move those antennas down a bit on those masts. <br> </div>Yes that is basic.<br>What you should have is this (image). The building owner may help with the cost.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20710036?c=1322093&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="260108 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=607 SRC="/r0/download/1322093.thumb600~956ad6609bb7084bc14c8aff7d80961d/FlatRoofProtectionCommercial Building.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>commercial building</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358053"><b>LLigetfa</b></A> : Oh, one other thing... try not to run the ground in parallel within close proximity to the CAT5 and coax runs.  When the lightning current flows, it induces huge magnetic fields onto everything nearby.<br><small>--<br>Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358053"><b>LLigetfa</b></A> : I haven't bought any in a while.  I just pulled up the last quote I have on file.  It was exactly one year ago to the day and it is in Canadian dollars.<br><br>100 feet of 1 1/2" - $194.80<br><small>--<br>Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><b>cbcalhoun</b></A> : That is great. They don't really do a good job of depicting how stuff should be installed in the manuals, because every installation is different. I will try to move those antennas down a bit on those masts. <br><br>Do you know how much the flat grounding strip runs?<br><br>-CBC-]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358053"><b>LLigetfa</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  cbcalhoun <A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>What size grounding should I be running to the masts from the building ground. The largest ground wire I have seen is 6 guage and that is what I am running to everything. </div>I use 1 1/2" and 3" flat copper strap.  It comes in a variety of widths.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.polyphaser.com/productdetail.aspx?item=CS3-500" >www.polyphaser.com/productdetail&middot;&middot;&middot;=CS3-500</A><br>Lately there has been discussion of using stainless steel instead given the rising cost of copper.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  cbcalhoun <A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Also the mast should poke higher so they are hit before the sectors. Is that correct?<br> </div>Yes.  The mast (in theory at least) offers a cone of protection  Some people joke about it, comparing it to the "Cone of silence" from the old "Get Smart" TV series.<br><small>--<br>Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><b>cbcalhoun</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  LLigetfa <A HREF="/useremail/u/1358053"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  battleop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I guess you have pictures to show how great your grounding is?  It seems like no one can post any pictures here with out the grounding nazis showing up.  <br> </div>Obviously a difference of opinion, but I cannot share yours.  Public is right.  The skinny stranded wires can only bleed static buildup, not lightning.  Also, the masts should poke at least a foot higher than the sectors, not lower.<br> </div>What size grounding should I be running to the masts from the building ground. The largest ground wire I have seen is 6 guage and that is what I am running to everything. <br><br>Also the mast should poke higher so they are hit before the sectors. Is that correct?<br><small>--<br>-CBC-<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cbcalhoun.com" >www.cbcalhoun.com</A><br>--<br>Retired BroadbandReports.com Seti@Home Classic Team Cache V Owner/Operator<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><b>cbcalhoun</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  SipSizzurp <A HREF="/useremail/u/1306614"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If that is rubber tape weather proofing on the antenna connectors then you need to put a couple of layers of black tape over it or it will dry and crack in 6 months.<br><br>Edit - Next time you buy a UPS get an APC, not a smelly Belkin.<br> </div>I am not so sure if your eyes are open. But there is plenty of PVC tape around the weather tape on the connectors. Also we have always had better luck with Liebert and Belkin UPSs. They have never let us down like the APC ones have.<br><small>--<br>-CBC-<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cbcalhoun.com" >www.cbcalhoun.com</A><br>--<br>Retired BroadbandReports.com Seti@Home Classic Team Cache V Owner/Operator<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><b>cbcalhoun</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AMD Phreak <A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Great job on the install.  It's nice to see clean installs here.  <br><br>Grounding nazis.... phffff  :p<br><br>I really like what I see, but here are some thoughts since you are open to them.  <br><br>There are a few too many bends (in my personal opinion mind you) as you come off the arrestors/ODU's and down the mast though.  Remember that lightning wants to take the path of least resistance and go in as straight of a line as possible.  <br><br>I'd have the runs off the arrestor/ODU not sweep up and then down.  Instead they should just sweep gently down.  There are some details like bend radius and all that bullcrap but I'm not going to get into that here.  <br><br>I'm off my soapbox now.   I commend you on your grounding though.  No one around our area spare myself, even puts that much effort into grounding rooftop or even tower gear.  I've done similar jobs as cleanup of other contractors (50 rooftop sites with a total of 4 radios sometimes per site!) and appreciate the time and effort it takes do do this.<br><br>You get my seal of approval.  :)<br> </div>Thanks for your input. I will try to straighten out the grounding cables a bit more, maybe I can move the grounding block to the lower part of the mast and just run them all down straight into the block. The building itself has no grounding on it what so ever. <br><br>The weather wrapping is PVC tape then weather tape (sticky rubber stuff) then PVC tape. This way if they ever have to be torn down we can get them apart.<br><br>The treated 2 X 8s will not harm the roof and that is what the roof company said to use. They said they will not rot or harm the roof in anyway so I think I will stick with them on the next install as they are less expensive then rubber mats. The rubber mats are $65 a piece as you can see the ones I put on the larger mat.<br><small>--<br>-CBC-<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cbcalhoun.com" >www.cbcalhoun.com</A><br>--<br>Retired BroadbandReports.com Seti@Home Classic Team Cache V Owner/Operator<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358053"><b>LLigetfa</b></A> : I think he means the round stock held up on bricks running around the perimiter with feeders grounding the parapet and an air terminal sticking up by the air vent.<br><small>--<br>Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><b>battleop</b></A> : The stuff running across the walls in that picture are supposed to prevent birds off the building and sh&*ing down the side of the building.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1306614"><b>SipSizzurp</b></A> : If that is rubber tape weather proofing on the antenna connectors then you need to put a couple of layers of black tape over it or it will dry and crack in 6 months.<br><br>Edit - Next time you buy a UPS get an APC, not a smelly Belkin.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/565356"><b>public</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AMD Phreak <A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> No one around our area spare myself, even puts that much effort into grounding rooftop or even tower gear.  I've done similar jobs as cleanup of other contractors (50 rooftop sites with a total of 4 radios sometimes per site!) and appreciate the time and effort it takes do do this.<br> </div>The little wires are used to prevent damage from sparks due to static buildup and limit secondary effects of a lightning strike, These are totally inadequate to prevent damage from a direct strike.<br>Look at the German picture. An Air terminal protecting the vent ...........<br><br>You decide if it cheaper to replace everything each time there is a strike.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/202468"><b>Air WAV</b></A> : Nice and neat install.  However, agreed on the mats.  We get them from Skywalker and they aren't that expensive.<br><br>Good luck on your WISP! ;)<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://StLouisBroadband.com" >StLouisBroadband.com</A><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1388952"><b>Airnode</b></A> : may a bit oT but does the building dont have a lightning protector system ?<br><br>I'm not from the Us so i don't now how tall buildings there equiped.<br><br>here is a pic from a location where i install another pop next <br>week.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20707758?c=1321960&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="405752 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=450 SRC="/r0/download/1321960.thumb600~dc943748f2e554d29849f2601007abcc/P1010038.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/429429"><b>superdog</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  funkyfelty <A HREF="/useremail/u/697508"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>i am surprised that you did not use mats underneath the non-pen, and only have a block of wood there<br> </div>Agreed. Get the wood out of there and use either another piece of rubber roofing or a large rubber mat. You can buy the right size mat by going to Tractor Supply. :)<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wavecrazy.net" >www.wavecrazy.net</A> <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/914343"><b>AMD Phreak</b></A> : Great job on the install.  It's nice to see clean installs here.  <br><br>Grounding nazis.... phffff  :p<br><br>I really like what I see, but here are some thoughts since you are open to them.  <br><br>There are a few too many bends (in my personal opinion mind you) as you come off the arrestors/ODU's and down the mast though.  Remember that lightning wants to take the path of least resistance and go in as straight of a line as possible.  <br><br>I'd have the runs off the arrestor/ODU not sweep up and then down.  Instead they should just sweep gently down.  There are some details like bend radius and all that bullcrap but I'm not going to get into that here.  <br><br>I'm off my soapbox now.   I commend you on your grounding though.  No one around our area spare myself, even puts that much effort into grounding rooftop or even tower gear.  I've done similar jobs as cleanup of other contractors (50 rooftop sites with a total of 4 radios sometimes per site!) and appreciate the time and effort it takes do do this.<br><br>You get my seal of approval.  :)<br><small>--<br>"No job is so important, and no service is so urgent that we cannot take the time to do it safely."<br>-- AT&T<br>--Safety One Tower Rescue Certified<br>--LLigetfa:"Wimax is like teenage sex. Everyone talks about doing it."</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><b>battleop</b></A> : Most of the roofs we get on have HVAC units that have 4x4 blocks under them. Many buildings have 4x4s with conduit and gas lines attached to them as well.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:50:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358053"><b>LLigetfa</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  battleop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I guess you have pictures to show how great your grounding is?  It seems like no one can post any pictures here with out the grounding nazis showing up.  <br> </div>Obviously a difference of opinion, but I cannot share yours.  Public is right.  The skinny stranded wires can only bleed static buildup, not lightning.  Also, the masts should poke at least a foot higher than the sectors, not lower.<br><small>--<br>Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:58:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/697508"><b>funkyfelty</b></A> : i am surprised that you did not use mats underneath the non-pen, and only have a block of wood there<br><small>--<br>Soldier, Firefighter, Proud to be an American</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:35:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><b>battleop</b></A> : I guess you have pictures to show how great your grounding is?  It seems like no one can post any pictures here with out the grounding nazis showing up.  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:24:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/565356"><b>public</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  cbcalhoun <A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>IF you have any questions feel free to ask, IM me, or e-mail me at ccalhoun@alink.com. I am always looking for input on my work as I am new to the game and still learning.<br> </div>Not much thought has been given to lightning protection. You would need much bigger ground wires.<br>Maybe you can negotiate with the building owner to share the cost in exchange for protecting the building.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:29:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><b>cbcalhoun</b></A> : Thanks<br><br>The masts I am using are from &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lashen.com/" >www.lashen.com/</A>. I have modified them with a taller 10' rigid conduit pipe to make them taller. They seem to have the nicest, reasonably priced masts around.<br><br>The ground wire ties into a building ground on the lower roof.<br><br>That is correct on the  ground running to the in-line surge protector radio. That is a Polyphaser at work there.<br><br>I have plenty of more work to share. I am also working on a city wide 4.9Ghz Mesh for public safety using Proxim AP4900 aswell as a few other POPs and a 2.4/5.8Ghz mesh running Proxim AP4000s.<br><br>I am still working out a few kinks on this POP with a slowdown on the PTP link because I cannot get the head end Dish high enough to clear a line of trees. These radios seem to thrive on multipath distortion but this tree line is still hampering the connection. These PTP radios use vertical and horizontal polarization for sending and receiving and should work in NLOS conditions.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:15:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027543"><b>Airplane777</b></A> : Wow...really neat pictures.  Nice looking setup.<br><br>Who is the mfg of the non penatritating roof mounts?  They look real nice.<br><br>I like your grounding.<br><br>Where are you running your green ground wire to?  Probably have a building ground nearby?<br><br>The one square white AP has a ground wire coming from the connection to the antenna connector.  Are you by any chance using a Polyphaser surge protector there?<br><br>Good luck with your WISP side of your business.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:25:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><b>battleop</b></A> : Very nice.   We just shook hands on a new POP location today.  We are waiting on the lease so we can start working on the site.  I am going to take some pictures of our next site and post them as well.   Some of the guys in the Photos of Broadband gear might like this post as well.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:24:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/196370"><b>cbcalhoun</b></A> : I have recently completed my latest setup 6 stories up in downtown Newark, Ohio. I thought I would share some of my photos for you to see. Some of the equipment I used at this location are: Motorola 5.8Ghz 58600 PTP Bridge and 4 5.8Ghz Proxim 5054-R BSUs. We are a small independent ISP trying to bridge the gap between DSL and Cable internet services here in the area. IF you have any questions feel free to ask, IM me, or e-mail me at ccalhoun@alink.com. I am always looking for input on my work as I am new to the game and still learning.<br><br>Thanks for looking!<br><small>--<br>-CBC-<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cbcalhoun.com" >www.cbcalhoun.com</A><br>--<br>Retired BroadbandReports.com Seti@Home Classic Team Cache V Owner/Operator<br></small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20699195?c=1321368&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="2007296 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=450 SRC="/r0/download/1321368.thumb600~6c92a7ba6311601f91d2ced4a71e7927/Picture 005.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20699195?c=1321369&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="1810857 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=800 SRC="/r0/download/1321369.thumb600~d37c328527e8d1b6ae5d62b0f531000b/Picture 006.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20699195?c=1321370&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="1675217 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=800 SRC="/r0/download/1321370.thumb600~367939b27fba3f3e3553ad05fd25881f/Picture 008.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20699195?c=1321371&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="1825933 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=800 SRC="/r0/download/1321371.thumb600~813eec106e2241aa41cff98f8944e9a0/Picture 009.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20699195?c=1321374&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="2060951 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=800 SRC="/r0/download/1321374.thumb600~ce64edceed2ea055b37bb88d1dc0d6e8/Picture 010.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20699195?c=1321375&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="2202565 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=800 SRC="/r0/download/1321375.thumb600~be774b4807902bfc2313bfb6422205d4/Picture 013.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20699195?c=1321376&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="1435402 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=800 SRC="/r0/download/1321376.thumb600~fa1d3efe85622ac44e52785e2447855b/Picture 014.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20699195?c=1321377&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="2330929 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=800 SRC="/r0/download/1321377.thumb600~dd3c89e54ccc34524a578e58a10d7baa/Picture 015.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20699195?c=1321379&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="1969521 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=450 SRC="/r0/download/1321379.thumb600~5873e7de78d0e3079dbd00aa618b7b8d/Picture 035.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20699195?c=1321380&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="1810425 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=800 SRC="/r0/download/1321380.thumb600~e35db40654761ff28e5000e7ed439077/Picture 036.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20699195?c=1321381&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMDY5OTE5NS54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="2766849 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=800 SRC="/r0/download/1321381.thumb600~e73a0741faf5e5f20e689733d08bd379/Picture 001.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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