moonpuppy
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Glen Burnie, MD
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Re: What about Google?
said by TKJunkMail  :Google targets consumers the same way with behavioral targeted advertising. The protests therefore seem to be targeting the method of data collection rather than the data collection itself. One could argue that Google data collection is voluntary. But given the breath of Google data collection from their own sites and from all their partner web sites, and the near monopoly that Google now has in ad delivery, that distinction is fairly irrelevant. Google is free and you decide to go there.
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TKJunkMail
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| said by moonpuppy :Google is free and you decide to go there. Do you? What about all the other web sites where they collect information in behalf of Google and you don't even know they are doing it.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Analytics
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clickie
join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI
| There's a difference between web analysis and behavior tracking.
I would expect web site owners to look at the traffic flows in their sites. I would expect they want to measure repeat visitors. And for anyone who has a problem with that, they can delete cookies, run NoScript or take whatever precautions they feel appropriate to assure that their privacy is maintained. By the very nature of web site use, you can't get around being counted in page statistics and click-flow.
However, Nebuad doesn't just measure the click flow of a single site, it has the potential to measure all click flows for all web sites. It modifies the data of all web pages without the authorization of any of those sites. It creates a persistent cookie that you can never get rid of. It watches what you do, what you search for and is a dangerous vector for nefarious activities. Quite simply, this is a dangerous box sitting on a network because while I use a network that permits Nebuad, *MY* security is irrevocably tied to Nebuad's security. All it takes is one compromise and all my traffic can be monitored because they're sitting square in the middle of communications.
The dangers of Nebuad are far beyond privacy implications. It's going to be a target for criminals looking for an easy way to snoop on encrypted communications. And as big of a kludge as their system is, I highly doubt their boxes are anywhere near as secure as they need to be. |
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lookielookie
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Google doesn't look at the content of email you send/receive using an email client program. NeduAd does.
Google doesn't look at the content of files you send/receive. NeduAd does.
Google doesn't look at the content of IM you send/receive. NeduAd does.
Google doesn't look at ALL the packets you send/receive. NebuAd does. |
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wifi4milez
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join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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said by clickie :Quite simply, this is a dangerous box sitting on a network because while I use a network that permits Nebuad, *MY* security is irrevocably tied to Nebuad's security. All it takes is one compromise and all my traffic can be monitored because they're sitting square in the middle of communications. You raise a valid point, however the same can be said of any equipment/vendor/company on the network we refer to as the "internet". I am sure you have heard about the fake Chinese Cisco routers, those that include the actual real IOS? Well the concern voiced by the NSA is that the Chinese could have built back doors into these devices, thus opening you up to full unfettered monitoring. I can assure you the Chinese have no "privacy policy" while Nebuad certainly does.
said by clickie :The dangers of Nebuad are far beyond privacy implications. It's going to be a target for criminals looking for an easy way to snoop on encrypted communications. And as big of a kludge as their system is, I highly doubt their boxes are anywhere near as secure as they need to be. See my comments above. Nebuad's box is just one piece of literally millions that you connect to when you access the internet. Any one of them can be compromised at any time.
The bottom line is that until someone can prove that Nebuad is doing something untoward with our data, then I dont have an issue with it. I remember everyone was in an uproar about GMail when it first came out, and now I suspect YOU probably use it as well as the rest of us. We all trust Google now (be that good or bad), and I suspect that unless something comes to light Nebuad will soon become standard on all ISPs around the world. On the other hand, if it is shown that they are indeed lying about the data they collect then they will be shut down.
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funchords
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join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
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said by TKJunkMail :said by moonpuppy :Google is free and you decide to go there. Do you? What about all the other web sites where they collect information in behalf of Google and you don't even know they are doing it. This site uses Google advertising. You visit here on your own volition and BBR discloses that it does so at the bottom of each page. Click "Privacy Policy" and read,
Ad serving
Most banner ads are served by our own software. In some cases, double-click or other ad serving solutions may be used. No user information we keep is sent to any advertising partner or technology provider.
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funchords
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said by lookielookie :
Google doesn't look at the content of email you send/receive using an email client program. NeduAd does.
Google doesn't look at the content of files you send/receive. NeduAd does.
Google doesn't look at the content of IM you send/receive. NeduAd does.
Google doesn't look at ALL the packets you send/receive. NebuAd does.
Google doesn't forge IP, TCP and HTTP packets to inject its own code. NebuAd does.
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