 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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Re: What about Google? said by clickie:No, you can't block data collection, you can only block the display of advertising utilizing that data. You get watched regardless. There was a user earlier this week who pointed out that you can in fact block all aspects of Nebuad. It involves placing their cookie on a black list of sorts, and then using Adblock. This prevents tracking and delivery of ads. I wont disagree that they need to have a clearly defined opt out procedure, in fact I would demand that they do. Realistically however, even if they dont you can still block them.
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| said by wifi4milez:you can in fact block all aspects of Nebuad. It involves placing their cookie on a black list of sorts, and then using Adblock. This prevents tracking and delivery of ads.
It does prevent "tracking and delivery of ads", but this is not "all aspects of Nebuad". The interception of traffic is what a lot of us object to, not the ads. |
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 ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
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said by wifi4milez:There was a user earlier this week who pointed out that you can in fact block all aspects of Nebuad. It involves placing their cookie on a black list of sorts, and then using Adblock. This prevents tracking and delivery of ads. I wont disagree that they need to have a clearly defined opt out procedure, in fact I would demand that they do. Realistically however, even if they dont you can still block them. You are correct. Given the way that Nebuad collects the info, it can be blocked. This thread ( »Consumer Groups Dig Inside NebuAD Technology ) has an extensive dialog on the subject where funchords(the author of the Nebuad study) admits that collection can be blocked - at least the way that Nebuad currently implements the collection process.
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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said by wifi4milez:There was a user earlier this week who pointed out that you can in fact block all aspects of Nebuad. It involves placing their cookie on a black list of sorts, and then using Adblock. This prevents tracking and delivery of ads. I wont disagree that they need to have a clearly defined opt out procedure, in fact I would demand that they do. Realistically however, even if they dont you can still block them. ACCORDING TO NEBUAD, the cookies prevent NebuAd's systems from storing information about you and its ad partners from delivering targeted ads to you. We have no choice but to trust them at their word.
The way that NebuAd is designed and deployed, it cannot possibly prevent the ad company from receiving your entire data stream from your ISP.
An acceptable system wouldn't work that way. It should be your choice whether any third party gets the chance to peer into your traffic.
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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kudos:5 | reply to ThrowDemsOut
said by ThrowDemsOut:You are correct. Given the way that Nebuad collects the info, it can be blocked. This thread ( » Consumer Groups Dig Inside NebuAD Technology ) has an extensive dialog on the subject where funchords(the author of the Nebuad study) admits that collection can be blocked - at least the way that Nebuad currently implements the collection process. If I admitted anything, I was wrong. What I have done is report what NebuAd says about opting out. I can't test it, it would require an inspection of their device and code.
That said, I can't find any message in that Topic where I admitted that collection can be blocked. No matter -- because I probably said something like "NEBUAD SAYS IT WILL NOT SAVE your data if you opt-out." I'm not admitting it, nor lending or taking any credibility from it. I'm simply reporting what they say they do.
Hell, I think you pointed out that you can use a 3rd-party encrypting VPN which, to my knowledge, is the only sure way to escape the privacy risks of a NebuAd box inside your ISP. Even using SSL to every site you go to isn't a perfect solution, because they'll still know every site you go to.
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said by funchords:An acceptable system wouldn't work that way. It should be your choice whether any third party gets the chance to peer into your traffic. So you have proof that NebuAD is more than just a google ads technology. From what I read, you do have the option to opt out. It's just cookies, not the end of the world. Does anyone have the specs of these servers, or is the whole NebuAD debate pure opinion, and he said she said? |
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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kudos:5 | said by bigfussnothing :
So you have proof that NebuAD is more than just a google ads technology. Yes - »www.freepress.net/files/NebuAd_Report.pdf
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From what I read, you do have the option to opt out. You can opt-out any time that you like, but your ISP still sends every byte you see and send to them, regardless.
ACCORDING TO NEBUAD, you are only opting out of seeing targeted ads and NebuAd storing data about you. There is no mechanism to prevent your ISP from sending the data to this 3rd party with connections to Gator.
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It's just cookies, not the end of the world. Does anyone have the specs of these servers, or is the whole NebuAD debate pure opinion, and he said she said? By the looks of your name, it seems that you have taken a position without looking at any facts -- then you took this opportunity to try to make a fool out of me.
NebuAd has responded and they have not contradicted the facts in my report. They, of course, don't agree with the general characterizations, and even injected some of their own mischaracterizations, but the essential facts are not in dispute.
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| So you don't have any specs on these servers. Thanks |
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
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kudos:5 | In late 2007, they were using the Juniper E120. The specs are available on the intertubes. |
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