GOLFnSUN
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|  Good ruling that slows blackmail by local gov't
The court upholding this FCC rule helps reduce the blackmailing of franchise applicants by local governments for perks that had nothing to do with supplying cable or telco TV or internet. Things like recording studios and a dozen public access channels meant to do nothing more than provide a platform for the local pols to get free time for their re-election campaigns and provide jobs for their slacker relatives.
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Dogfather
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Would stopping this be | 
Or a 13' pit in your front yard? | |
These companies aren't known for being customer friendly and have a long history of abuse which is why we needed local franchise rules in the first place.
My definition of "reasonable" is quite different from the cable/telco's definition. They would obviously argue the above reasonable when it is clearly not. |
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hottboiinnc
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| It's already doing that. ATT is the only one dropping Refrigerator sized boxes in yards or "redoing" them for their boxes to sit flat. Cable just uses a small green box a 1/4 the size of ATT. They don't block views they don't look that bad and in some areas cable companies will work with the owner about planting small shrubs and flowers along them as long as they can get into service them.
ATT won't do that. And for redlining ATT and VZ already do that. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to Dogfather
well all can say is that in my area Charter is and has been the only cable company for the last 8 years. Now you can't tell me that's just because no other cable companies aren't interested in our area. It's because the local franchise authority gives Charter a monopoly. |
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fiberguy
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| You're right. No other cable company is interested. With the initial capital investment needed, it's not attractive for a second provider to come into MANY places and over build another.
I'm not sure where Camden TV is, but unless it's a Chicago sized city where there is a large population, I doubt you're going to see any desire to spend that much money only to get a small return.
It's cheaper and easier to buy someone out than to over build. All a second provider will do is take a portion of customer from the other company, not really scrape up new ones. |
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marigolds
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Saint Louis, MO | reply to Dogfather
Oh wow, that top picture is the Bloom County house where Berke Breathed first started writing Bloom County (I used to live across the street from it).
That's sad that one of those boxes got planted in front of it like that. |
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cdru
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| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc  :And for redlining ATT and VZ already do that. Care to point to any verifiable evidence to recent (as in the past several years) redlining by either company that is from an independent source and NOT from some party with an agenda, a politician sound byte, or anything from a competing cableco? |
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Mumbly Joe
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You Bogey'd that one TK
Your ability to post your opinion here without retribution (except mine)is the same as Public Access, which is a cablecast forum for the first amendment. Pols are not allowed to use it for campaigning. If your NJ Pols are giving jobs to slacker relatives, what the hell difference is this ruling going to make? Cable wants a level playing field, but Telcos have written their own legislation with an unfair advantage to scrape away your rights so you can have "competition" and lower prices. Well, check the the records because Texas, which has had a State wide franchise for over a year, now has no free speech TV in some areas and the price of either provider has gone up, not down. Bang up job there FCC! |
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hottboiinnc
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Re: Good ruling that slows blackmail by local gov't
Don't have to. Just go check to see which neighborhoods can get U-Verse by the ones who can't. AT&T will tell you what neighborhoods just by entering in your street address. Service by AT&T is subject if they want to give it to you or not. Not that they'll wire the entire town. Everyone on here knows that. and FiOS does the same thing. |
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hottboiinnc
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| reply to BF69
Cities do not usually keep other providers out. It's the cost like Fiberguy said. Who wants to pay that cost? Nobody!
The city i lived in (fremont, Ohio) found out the hard way. TWC once offered to over build along with Buckeye Cable but that was years ago when HSI and digital cable started to come out. the City voted they didnt need anyone else but the local company. and in return they ended up selling out to TWC because they wouldnt upgrade anything. Now they're trying like hell still to get someone else in to overbuild but Buckeye told them "NOPE!, we have a fiber line in the city but thats only for backhaul from Sandusky to Toledo and that's it!" So now they're stuck with TWC. |
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hottboiinnc
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Re: You Bogey'd that one TK
I have read the Agreement ATT wrote with Ohio. It is not in favor of cable companies. They can only get a state wide agreement if 1- their agreements with the cities expire or 2 if someone else overbuilds. Other wise their Shit out of Luck!
Cable companies got the shitty end of the stick. |
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OSUGoose
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Re: Good ruling that slows blackmail by local gov't
I wouldent call it redlining as much as deploying to areas shown to pay their bills
I've talked to several linemen at at&t that are working on this project, and some of the reasons they arnt going into the "poorer" neighborhoods has nothing to do with redlining. Some have lines so old, that are still lead lined that the electrical resistance involved in sending that much data over the copper would literaly melt the lines. Also back in the DSL deployment days, the guys could rember going into some areas "poorer" that one month they was hooking it up, and the next month or 2 disconnecging bc they dident pay their bills, so at&t isent going to be rushing to roll this out there yet, but they will. |
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hottboiinnc
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1 edit | double post! |
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hottboiinnc
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| reply to OSUGoose
the same thing is redlining. It's still in areas only they believe to make money.
And at$t is too cheap to update those lines in older neighborhoods. And just because someone lives in one of those neighborhoods at$t thinks that they can't pay their bills they should think again. many have cable, internet and generally at least 1 cell phone.
HA! someone from at$t will tell you anything their company tells them to especially when their working. Believe anything you want from them. all a bunch of union assholes that are redlining. you don't see cable doing it. |
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marigolds
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| reply to OSUGoose
said by OSUGoose :I wouldent call it redlining as much as deploying to areas shown to pay their bills That's exactly what redlining is.
Excluding whole neighborhoods based on a credit profile of the neighborhood rather than the credit profile of individuals in the neighborhood. |
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cdru
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| reply to hottboiinnc
Like I said, you can't point to one independent source of evidence. I can't speak for AT&T as the closest franchisee is quite a ways away, but I do have FiOS. Their were the same claims of redlining when it was deployed here. And Verizon did start deploying in some of the better middle class suburbs. But over the months it eventually spread across the entire area servicing everyone within the Verizon footprint of Fort Wayne and New Haven, IN. |
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dnoyeB
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| reply to OSUGoose
I dont buy it. At least for the North. In the North poor neighborhoods developed where the jobs were. The inner city. Where the jobs were is also where the good infrastructure is.
In my experience this is reflected in DSL CO distances in the city vs suburbs. also, poor people watch cable tv too. cablecos have lots of advanced tech to stop theft in poorer hoods first.
I dont buy that underdeveloped infrastructure argument in Northern cities.
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dnoyeB
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Southfield, MI | reply to hottboiinnc
that cost is tied to the cable authority. if they force 100% coverage in x years. or do they allow neighborhood cherry picking. companies prefer cherry picking. |
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footballdude
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Imperial, MO | reply to marigolds
For most people here, redlining is defined as "They don't offer it in my neighborhood, so clearly they must be doing something nefarious."
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hottboiinnc
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| reply to dnoyeB
I don't either. It's just that ATT doesnt want to offer service beyond what they want to in the areas that the customers do not meet what ATT wants as a customer or credit rating. I have VARDs all around where i live in my area but go down the street a few miles they stop. Why? The neighborhoods do NOT meet what ATT thinks they should as income. But i bet 70% of them have cable since ATT won't deploy DSL to those customers. |
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