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| reply to Shark_615 Re: Get an unlocked iPhone instead,...
said by Shark_615 :You will get hosed on the cancel fee. Agreed. But it just comes out to the unsubsidized price of the iPhone itself. Remember the first version of the iPhone ? It would sell for 400$ unsubsidized.
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| reply to sbrook said by sbrook :BUT if the Canadian DMCA ONLY WORSE goes through then doing that would be illegal too. Digital locks and all that. Agreed as well. As Canadian citizens, we must contact our MPs and make sure the DMCA crap does not become law.
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| reply to Rogers New fido data plans.
Flat rates
30$ for 300MB, 60$ for 1GB, 80$ for 3 GB, and 100$ for 6GB
All have unlimited emailing from a Fido WM phone (only otherwise no emailing) and all plans are eligible for all Phones Fido or not, using any browser and for tethering. Also, any MB over up to 60 MB is only 0.50$/MB and over 60MB is 0.03$/MB.
Flex rates
$50 - up to 500MB $65 - up to 1GB $75 - up to 2GB $85 - up to 3GB $100 - up to 5GB -- Xenophase - British Columbia's premier online gaming community. |
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| reply to milnoc said by milnoc :...Get a decent plan and a cheap phone from another supplier, then switch SIM cards. Is it that simple? To what carrier? The only GSM in Canada is Rogers. |
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| reply to Maynard G Krebs Neither Rogers nor Fido prevent you from using your own GSM phone on their network. The nature of GSM and roaming basically prevents them from doing that.
So if you buy a truly unlocked Iphone in europe (some countries legally prohibit locking of phones), you can bring on on rogers territory and insert any rigers or fido SIM card in it. Fido offers non-contract deals, so you can use that.
Until Apple sells fully featured unlocked Iphone not tied to any network, I won't touch it. Remember that networks not only lock the phone to their network, but also tailor down the available optiosn/menus on the phone. When you get the real unlocked phone, you get all the features advertised by the manufacturer.
When you get an iphone that has been unlocked, you only get the ability to change SIM cards, you do not get the original system software, you are still stuck with the tailored down software of whatever network the phone was originally locked to. |
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| reply to adisor19 It is technically false to state we only have one GSM supplier in Canada. »www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo···ca.shtml
Microcell's network still exists. ( 302-37 ) It is just that very very very few antennas still offer any channels with that network ID. But the Microcell network still exists in tables and roaming systems because Fido still sells ist phones with Fido sim cards with teh Microcell network ID as "home" network. (and a patch to make the Rogers network appears to be "Fido" on the phone.
Icewireless operates un Yukon and Northwest territories. Correction, they don't seem to have presence in Whitehorese anymore.
And Dryden Mobility is about to go live. |
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| reply to jfmezei said by jfmezei :Neither Rogers nor Fido prevent you from using your own GSM phone on their network. The nature of GSM and roaming basically prevents them from doing that. So if you buy a truly unlocked Iphone in europe (some countries legally prohibit locking of phones), you can bring on on rogers territory and insert any rigers or fido SIM card in it. Fido offers non-contract deals, so you can use that. Until Apple sells fully featured unlocked Iphone not tied to any network, I won't touch it. Remember that networks not only lock the phone to their network, but also tailor down the available optiosn/menus on the phone. When you get the real unlocked phone, you get all the features advertised by the manufacturer. When you get an iphone that has been unlocked, you only get the ability to change SIM cards, you do not get the original system software, you are still stuck with the tailored down software of whatever network the phone was originally locked to. *SIGH*
Please do your homework before posting. The iPhone is NOT modified/customized/castrated like the other phones. This is Apple's ONLY condition when they allowed the phone to be sold under contract with GSM carriers. If you buy an iPhone from Robbers and one for Telstra, the only difference between them is that they are locked on their respective providers. Once unlocked, they are EXACTLY the same. This is only valid for iPhones as His Holiness, Steve Jobs insisted upon it.
In my case, this is what i will do :
Buy an iPhone from Fido. Cancel the contract on the spot and pay the ETF/DECF fees and insert my good old Fido SIM in it and ask the dude behind the counter that my iPhone works before i walk out. If he refuses to perform a "fake" activation, there is hell to be had.
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| reply to jfmezei said by jfmezei :Neither Rogers nor Fido prevent you from using your own GSM phone on their network. The nature of GSM and roaming basically prevents them from doing that. So if you buy a truly unlocked Iphone in europe (some countries legally prohibit locking of phones), you can bring on on rogers territory and insert any rigers or fido SIM card in it. Fido offers non-contract deals, so you can use that. Until Apple sells fully featured unlocked Iphone not tied to any network, I won't touch it. Remember that networks not only lock the phone to their network, but also tailor down the available optiosn/menus on the phone. When you get the real unlocked phone, you get all the features advertised by the manufacturer. When you get an iphone that has been unlocked, you only get the ability to change SIM cards, you do not get the original system software, you are still stuck with the tailored down software of whatever network the phone was originally locked to. The hitch with changing the SIM is that you're still locked into the plan that got you the SIM! You now have 2 phones (one locked to Rogers and one unlocked) that you're sharing a single SIM card for ... kind of expensive and not very productive since you're either roaming on the original carrier if the SIM is still active (and paying through the nose roaming charges) or you're stiffed with Rogers call plan.
Moreover, one thing to watch out for is that GSM phones bought in Europe may or may not be usable in N. America unless enabled for N. Am. frequencies (and vice versa). |
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| reply to jfmezei said by jfmezei :It is technically false to state we only have one GSM supplier in Canada. » www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo···ca.shtmlMicrocell's network still exists. ( 302-37 ) It is just that very very very few antennas still offer any channels with that network ID. But the Microcell network still exists in tables and roaming systems because Fido still sells ist phones with Fido sim cards with teh Microcell network ID as "home" network. (and a patch to make the Rogers network appears to be "Fido" on the phone. Icewireless operates un Yukon and Northwest territories. Correction, they don't seem to have presence in Whitehorese anymore. And Dryden Mobility is about to go live. Was that a joke in disguise ? The coverage area of those providers is anaemic at best. The sad reality is that we have 1 choice in Canada when it comes to a GSM provider : Robbers.
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| reply to jfmezei Microcell IS Fido, and Fido Solutions is owned by Rogers.
Therefore, there is one GSM supplier in Canada that serves all of the provinces (not territories). -- Xenophase - British Columbia's premier online gaming community. |
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>Microcell IS Fido, and Fido Solutions is owned by Rogers. > >Therefore, there is one GSM supplier in Canada that serves >all of the provinces (not territories).
There is no debate that Rogers owns the only nationwide GSM network in canada.
However, the 32-37 GSM code for Microcell still exists in worldwide GSM tables, and SIM cards announcing a customer of 32-37 are still issued by Fido. Fido's phones are locked to 32-37 and not to Rogers 32-72 network.
What Fido has done is a hack to make its phones appear to be on their home network when they roam on Rogers. Fido's orginal network was initlally almost all converted to broadcast 32-72 (Rogers), and then Rogers has progressively integrated it into its own network and removed redundant antennas. What is left of Fido would be small test sites.
With regards to the unlocked iPhones. I was not aware that Jobs had insisted that all Iphones had the full software optiosn enabled. I had heard rumblings last year about certain functions having been disabled at the request of AT&T (notably using Skype via wi-fi on the iphone).
However, buying an originally locked iphone still results in problems when upgrading the phone's software, and Apple makes that very clear: you unlock the iphone, and an attempt to upgrade its software may render phone inoperable.
This is why I would rather get a "true" iphone that was never locked and have my onw relationship with Apple instead of having one with Rogers and Fido for the phone.
GSM is meant to have phones independant from the carrier.
Note: I have a never-locked phone. I am a fido subscriber. The phone shows I am *roaming* on Rogers. |
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