sbrook
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Re: Get an unlocked iPhone instead,...
said by jfmezei  :Neither Rogers nor Fido prevent you from using your own GSM phone on their network. The nature of GSM and roaming basically prevents them from doing that. So if you buy a truly unlocked Iphone in europe (some countries legally prohibit locking of phones), you can bring on on rogers territory and insert any rigers or fido SIM card in it. Fido offers non-contract deals, so you can use that. Until Apple sells fully featured unlocked Iphone not tied to any network, I won't touch it. Remember that networks not only lock the phone to their network, but also tailor down the available optiosn/menus on the phone. When you get the real unlocked phone, you get all the features advertised by the manufacturer. When you get an iphone that has been unlocked, you only get the ability to change SIM cards, you do not get the original system software, you are still stuck with the tailored down software of whatever network the phone was originally locked to. The hitch with changing the SIM is that you're still locked into the plan that got you the SIM! You now have 2 phones (one locked to Rogers and one unlocked) that you're sharing a single SIM card for ... kind of expensive and not very productive since you're either roaming on the original carrier if the SIM is still active (and paying through the nose roaming charges) or you're stiffed with Rogers call plan.
Moreover, one thing to watch out for is that GSM phones bought in Europe may or may not be usable in N. America unless enabled for N. Am. frequencies (and vice versa). |
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adisor19
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said by jfmezei :Neither Rogers nor Fido prevent you from using your own GSM phone on their network. The nature of GSM and roaming basically prevents them from doing that. So if you buy a truly unlocked Iphone in europe (some countries legally prohibit locking of phones), you can bring on on rogers territory and insert any rigers or fido SIM card in it. Fido offers non-contract deals, so you can use that. Until Apple sells fully featured unlocked Iphone not tied to any network, I won't touch it. Remember that networks not only lock the phone to their network, but also tailor down the available optiosn/menus on the phone. When you get the real unlocked phone, you get all the features advertised by the manufacturer. When you get an iphone that has been unlocked, you only get the ability to change SIM cards, you do not get the original system software, you are still stuck with the tailored down software of whatever network the phone was originally locked to. *SIGH*
Please do your homework before posting. The iPhone is NOT modified/customized/castrated like the other phones. This is Apple's ONLY condition when they allowed the phone to be sold under contract with GSM carriers. If you buy an iPhone from Robbers and one for Telstra, the only difference between them is that they are locked on their respective providers. Once unlocked, they are EXACTLY the same. This is only valid for iPhones as His Holiness, Steve Jobs insisted upon it.
In my case, this is what i will do :
Buy an iPhone from Fido. Cancel the contract on the spot and pay the ETF/DECF fees and insert my good old Fido SIM in it and ask the dude behind the counter that my iPhone works before i walk out. If he refuses to perform a "fake" activation, there is hell to be had.
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jfmezei
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| reply to Maynard G Krebs
Neither Rogers nor Fido prevent you from using your own GSM phone on their network. The nature of GSM and roaming basically prevents them from doing that.
So if you buy a truly unlocked Iphone in europe (some countries legally prohibit locking of phones), you can bring on on rogers territory and insert any rigers or fido SIM card in it. Fido offers non-contract deals, so you can use that.
Until Apple sells fully featured unlocked Iphone not tied to any network, I won't touch it. Remember that networks not only lock the phone to their network, but also tailor down the available optiosn/menus on the phone. When you get the real unlocked phone, you get all the features advertised by the manufacturer.
When you get an iphone that has been unlocked, you only get the ability to change SIM cards, you do not get the original system software, you are still stuck with the tailored down software of whatever network the phone was originally locked to. |
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pfak
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New fido data plans.
Flat rates
30$ for 300MB,
60$ for 1GB,
80$ for 3 GB,
and 100$ for 6GB
All have unlimited emailing from a Fido WM phone (only otherwise no
emailing) and all plans are eligible for all Phones Fido or not, using
any browser and for tethering.
Also, any MB over up to 60 MB is only 0.50$/MB and over 60MB is 0.03$/MB.
Flex rates
$50 - up to 500MB
$65 - up to 1GB
$75 - up to 2GB
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adisor19
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said by sbrook :BUT if the Canadian DMCA ONLY WORSE goes through then doing that would be illegal too. Digital locks and all that. Agreed as well. As Canadian citizens, we must contact our MPs and make sure the DMCA crap does not become law.
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sbrook
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H0H 0H0 | reply to adisor19
BUT if the Canadian DMCA ONLY WORSE goes through then doing that would be illegal too. Digital locks and all that. |
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adisor19
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said by Maynard G Krebs :said by Rogers :
Cant do that they have IME Filtering for there data plan. All NON-Rogers Phones aren’t able to use the good data rates. It cost about $15CND per MB on a NON-Rogers branded Phone.
There has to be some Competition Bureau rule about this. Imagine that you move to Canada with your unlocked GSM phone (common in Europe and Asia) and are told that your ratified GSM standard-meeting phone capable of use on the Rogers/Fido network is not allowed to be used under the same terms and conditions as a phone that Rogers supplies. Hell, it could even be *exactly* the same model number and they'd still screw you on the data plan. The government really screwed up when Fido was taken over by the banks. They should have allowed T-Mobile or somebody else from outside Canada to buy Fido and force the domestic companies to be honest (if that word could ever be used in connection with ANY telecom / cable company in this country), and competitive (I know, again with the pipe dreams). I think that the CRTC should void Rogers rights to the airwaves for 3 months as a penalty. Bye bye Ted. I'm sure that Ted would like to prevent anyone from accessing the internet at home via Rogers Hi-Speed unless you bought your computer from him too. I agree with you 100%. I still remember back in 2004 when i heard that Robers was going to buy Fido... I KNEW that prices will triple and that the good plans would be axed on the spot. And that's exactly what happened. The entire population got screwed in the end all thanks to the dead meat government/CRTC.
A sad moment in Canadian history.
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Maynard G Krebs
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said by Rogers :
Cant do that they have IME Filtering for there data plan. All NON-Rogers Phones aren’t able to use the good data rates. It cost about $15CND per MB on a NON-Rogers branded Phone.
There has to be some Competition Bureau rule about this.
Imagine that you move to Canada with your unlocked GSM phone (common in Europe and Asia) and are told that your ratified GSM standard-meeting phone capable of use on the Rogers/Fido network is not allowed to be used under the same terms and conditions as a phone that Rogers supplies.
Hell, it could even be *exactly* the same model number and they'd still screw you on the data plan.
The government really screwed up when Fido was taken over by the banks. They should have allowed T-Mobile or somebody else from outside Canada to buy Fido and force the domestic companies to be honest (if that word could ever be used in connection with ANY telecom / cable company in this country), and competitive (I know, again with the pipe dreams).
I think that the CRTC should void Rogers rights to the airwaves for 3 months as a penalty. Bye bye Ted.
I'm sure that Ted would like to prevent anyone from accessing the internet at home via Rogers Hi-Speed unless you bought your computer from him too. |
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adisor19
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said by Rogers :
Cant do that they have IME Filtering for there data plan. All NON-Rogers Phones aren’t able to use the good data rates. It cost about $15CND per MB on a NON-Rogers branded Phone.
The good part is that iPhone IMEI numbers can be cloned VERY easily.(see ziphone) So all you need is a cheap Robers phone to copy the IMEI number from and you can enjoy the good plans too 
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11 | reply to milnoc
We're screwed. There is only 1 GSM provider in Canada ever since 2004 when Robbers was allowed to purchase Fido by the CRTC.
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adisor19
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said by macedon :
Interesting, one company has what looks like a monopoly on gsm in canada.
It is Monopoly, that's why we need another GSM player in the mix... Rogers = Fido = ONE company = one GSM player = MONOPOLY = screwed Canadian Customers! Sad but true... Yes, and all this thanks to our BS government/CRTC that allowed Robbers to buy Fido back in 2004 ! It sickens me sometimes when i see our own government screwing us. Adi |
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macedon
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Interesting, one company has what looks like a monopoly on gsm in canada.
It is Monopoly, that's why we need another GSM player in the mix...
Rogers = Fido = ONE company = one GSM player = MONOPOLY = screwed Canadian Customers!
Sad but true...
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milnoc
join:2001-03-05
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So which other Canadian provider (if any) has reasonable data plans? Or are we pretty much screwed? |
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Frank
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said by Rogers :
Cant do that they have IME Filtering for there data plan. All NON-Rogers Phones aren’t able to use the good data rates. It cost about $15CND per MB on a NON-Rogers branded Phone.
i was going to say why not just use fido, but I think that rogers owns fido tooo.
Interesting, one company has what looks like a monopoly on gsm in canada.
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Cant do that they have IME Filtering for there data plan. All NON-Rogers Phones aren’t able to use the good data rates. It cost about $15CND per MB on a NON-Rogers branded Phone. |
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