sbrook
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| Stop Advertising at me!
"It's clear we need further education in Washington and elsewhere to address the concerns of privacy advocates," Dykes said. The message that the technology protects privacy "hasn't been understood by everyone."
Educate = bribe, coerce, hit over head with frozen muckluck, browbeat, etc etc until they get their own way!
Why don't they get it ... people just don't want to be bombarded with ads in every aspect of their lives. TV, radio, billboards, junk paper mail, telemarketing, spam, and now targeted ads in websites! Yes, privacy is an issue, but so is the constant bombardment by advertising. |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by sbrook  :Why don't they get it ... people just don't want to be bombarded with ads in every aspect of their lives. TV, radio, billboards, junk paper mail, telemarketing, spam, and now targeted ads in websites! Yes, privacy is an issue, but so is the constant bombardment by advertising. The price you pay for much of the internet(access & content) is what it is because of advertising. Without advertising the price would be MUCH, MUCH higher. In fact most off the content available wouldn't be there at all without it. So, guess what, advertising isn't going away no matter how much you dislike it. Of course, you can use ad block software, but if a majority of users follow suit, then the advertisers will find another way to get out their message. Like embedding the ads IN THE CONTENT and not just framed around it.
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digitalfreak
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| Except for the fact that we're not talking about getting ads served to you by the sites you visit. In this case it's just another way for the telcos and cablecos to pad their bottom line. I have no problem with ads from the websites themselves. It's the only way they make their money. |
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Monster Rain
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| said by digitalfreak :Except for the fact that we're not talking about getting ads served to you by the sites you visit. In this case it's just another way for the telcos and cablecos to pad their bottom line. I have no problem with ads from the websites themselves. It's the only way they make their money. Business's are in business to make money. So it's ok for a web site to serve ads but not ISP's? You either like ads or you don't in my book. I could care less where they come from personally. |
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sbrook
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| If the ISP wants to serve ads from the ISP's site, that's up to them.
The idea that content providers will provide ad space that they don't know what will actually appear in that space, to be determined by NebuAd and injected at the time of delivery is crappy.
Now granted similar does happen on TV, but at least it's only local ad substitution and the network advertiser is aware his ad will not appear in all markets. But at least they aren't injecting ads based on the programs you watch in any identifiable way (although I expect that will come in due course).
Where will the advertising greed stop? |
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GeekJedi
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| reply to TKJunkMail
I was reading your reply on my MacBook(tm) laptop while sitting on my Laz-e-Boy(tm) recliner, and enjoying a cool, refreshing Coca-Cola(tm).
I have no idea what you could possibly mean by injecting advertising in the content.
I'll tell you what, I'll mull it over tonight while eating my Big Mac(tm) and I'll give you a call on my iPhone(tm) powered by AT&T(tm), which gives me more bars in more places and we'll talk more about it.
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onyanmous
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said by TKJunkMail :The price you pay for much of the internet(access & content) is what it is because of advertising. Without advertising the price would be MUCH, MUCH higher. True but the cost of goods at the store would be MUCH MUCH cheaper and you only need to follow the money to prove it.
Ask yourself, where do the advertisers get their money?
From the product manufacturers, of course.
And where do the product manufacturers get their money?
From the cash registers at Walmart.
And can you guess where the Walmart cash registers get their money?
So you see, the advertisers are using our money to annoy us.
FWIW, I absolutely abhor phucking advertising. I hate junk mail, spam, telemarketers, popups and the gobdamn ads Comcast shoves in my face on the cable box program guide. |
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uncleFester
@rr.com
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said by digitalfreak :I have no problem with ads from the websites themselves. It's the only way they make their money. when the providers are headed toward bandwidth caps, metered service and charging you for data overages.. i have one hell of a problem with ads at any point in the tier, including the websites themselves. how much whittling of your service for your dollar are you willing to endure?
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clickie
join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI
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You continue to miss the point.
The problem isn't advertising, the problem is advertising served from sniffing the data to and from my computer. "Behavioral advertising" is a buzzword for nothing more than "we spy on you and serve ads based upon what you're doing".
It's not innocuous. These people are tampering with private communications between me and a remote host. They are injecting data that doesn't belong there, isn't authorized by either party and reduces my security to the lowest level as Nebuad.
If this were *only* about advertising, I'd be a happy camper. But it's not, it has little to do with advertising and everything to do with third-parties to which I have no business relationship watching what I do online. |
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NormanS
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San Jose, CA
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said by Monster Rain :Business's are in business to make money. So it's ok for a web site to serve ads but not ISP's? You either like ads or you don't in my book. I could care less where they come from personally. If it were only ads...but we are talking about a system of data mining to "target" ads to your specific surfing habits.
TV ads are blanket ads for an entire market. If the ISPs only injected ads to your browser, that would be the same thing. But the NebuAds you get will be different from the ones I get, and all because the NebuAd hardware tracks where, on the Internet, we are going.
Or are you saying you wouldn't mind having a Marketoon dogging your every footstep from the time you step out of your house into public space until you arrive at a comparably private destination? And don't you think that they'd like to watch what you do in your bedroom and bathroom, if that would help them figure out a way to target more ads at you?
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sivran
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Except that ISP-inserted ads could potentially pre-empt the site owner's ads, undermining the value of the site owner's ad space, dropping his revenues.
Sure, the ISPs make more money. Everyone else makes less, many will face the choice of going offline or charging for access.
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digitalfreak
join:2005-12-09
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said by uncleFester :said by digitalfreak :I have no problem with ads from the websites themselves. It's the only way they make their money. when the providers are headed toward bandwidth caps, metered service and charging you for data overages.. i have one hell of a problem with ads at any point in the tier, including the websites themselves. how much whittling of your service for your dollar are you willing to endure? -r I was speaking of the ads that support the website they're shown on. Nothing to do with the ISP. |
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digitalfreak
join:2005-12-09
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| reply to Monster Rain
said by Monster Rain :said by digitalfreak :Except for the fact that we're not talking about getting ads served to you by the sites you visit. In this case it's just another way for the telcos and cablecos to pad their bottom line. I have no problem with ads from the websites themselves. It's the only way they make their money. Business's are in business to make money. So it's ok for a web site to serve ads but not ISP's? You either like ads or you don't in my book. I could care less where they come from personally. If you ran a website that was supported by them, you sure as sh!t would! If I go to www.comcast.com and see ads there, that's fine. However, they have NO right to modify the content of other websites, which is basically what they would be doing. |
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packetscan
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said by TKJunkMail :said by sbrook : The price you pay for much of the internet(access & content) is what it is because of advertising. Without advertising the price would be MUCH, MUCH higher. Advertising brings down prices?
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