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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | reply to amigo_boy
Re: I doubt that TW will keep said by amigo_boy:said by fiberguy:I believe that part of the P2P software is a server which offers a client server Obviously it is. I think P2P is a novel concept to distribute load. But, I think it should be deprioritized like a batch, background process. Peer-to-Peer and Client-Server are both architectures. One is obviously not the other.
That said, it should not be deprioritized unless it is a background process, and the end-points, not the ISPs, should be doing that identification. P2P is used for live streaming and even for telephone calls.
We've already seen that the ISPs cannot be trusted with that much power.
Please read the RFCs regarding DiffServ and DSCP. It will help explain the different roles of the end points and service providers in prioritization.
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join:2004-06-21
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said by tr1pp1n87:i have a better solution its called throttle p2p... most of p2p downloads in the usa are for illegal purposes... if isps filtered torrent sites ie: legaltorrents, and p2p based video streaming this would eliminate most of the congestion on their networks... most of the people here complain about torrents being filtered cuz none of you pay for shit and you only know how to get your files via torrents i hope for my sake comcast and sandvine find a way to throttle you torrent kiddies and do not institute caps... some video games USE p2p | |
fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to funchords
You, like many, have failed to address the upload element of the network.
And BT... congestion avoiding? HAH! Haven't you head of what the BT God himself said? In case you haven't, he wants BT to use as much of the available bandwidth as possible.
But, see my first point.. it's the upstream. Have you forgot the most basic need for the upstream? How about the basic ability to be connected?
Your client server power through argument holds no basis here. Microsoft, one of the largest file distributors, never seems to have a problem getting it's files out. Even when new SPs are released, I still fly through the download with out a problem.
Sure, blizzard is no where near the size of MS, but that's no excuse for them to impact another business because of the lack of resources or their desire to pass the buck.
I remain on the fact that P2P users and those that use services like Blizzard are being subsidized by users like me.. and those users are also the cause for people like me seeing the new caps on the horizon. | | |
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
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1 edit | said by fiberguy:You, like many, have failed to address the upload element of the network. Um, no, I'm the guy who points out that the upload element of BitTorrent limits the number of upload streams in order to respect congestion control. See http://wiki.theory.org/BitTorrentSpecification#Choking_and_Optimistic_Unchoking
said by fiberguy:And BT... congestion avoiding? HAH! Haven't you head of what the BT God himself said? In case you haven't, he wants BT to use as much of the available bandwidth as possible. Yes, he did. But he didn't say that he wanted to cause congestion, nor prolong it. And he wrote the protocol in a way that steers clear of congestion.
Again, a BT connection will try a path for 30 seconds. If it's congested, it stops. A website or YooToob transfer doesn't steer clear of congested links -- it keeps trying to pound through.
BitTorrent is much more efficient for video transfer.
said by fiberguy:But, see my first point.. it's the upstream. Have you forgot the most basic need for the upstream? How about the basic ability to be connected? It's the users' upstream. It's the users' choice what to do with it. Why do you get to decide whether or not I allow Skype or Blizzard access to it? I paid for it, in advance, and its mine to use.
said by fiberguy:Your client server power through argument holds no basis here. Microsoft, one of the largest file distributors, never seems to have a problem getting it's files out. Even when new SPs are released, I still fly through the download with out a problem. Please research the Background Intelligent Transfer System (BITS) -- which is something that Microsoft invented so that it could get its files out because the normal full-speed prime-time client-server model was problematic for them.
said by fiberguy:Sure, blizzard is no where near the size of MS, but that's no excuse for them to impact another business because of the lack of resources or their desire to pass the buck. Ummmmm ... there's a rule of poker that goes something like, "If you're sitting at the table and you can't figure out which player is the rube, then it's you."
The ISP doesn't get to pick who my friends are. I pay the ISP to ship the bits and I get to decide which bits go over on my dime. I only get so much, so I have to control myself, but the allowance I have is mine and the ISP should go sniff elsewhere.
said by fiberguy:I remain on the fact that P2P users and those that use services like Blizzard are being subsidized by users like me.. and those users are also the cause for people like me seeing the new caps on the horizon. Your ISP has convinced you to play in this user-against-user dialogue because it serves its financial and competitive purpose. Since 1982, we've had more users than the year before, higher bandwidth consumption than the year before, and the Internet is a huge success. So what has changed?
Answer: FIOS
Cable wants to "appear" to have the bandwidth without actually having the bandwidth because it has to con customers into believing that FIOS and Cable are equals. Well, they're not -- they have different strengths but one of FIOS's strength is the ability to transfer a lot of freight over a sustained period of time. Cable is simply not deployed to do that.
Rather than institute caps, Cable ought to be educating its high-freight customers on the value of FIOS. Yes, seriously. Cable is not making any money on these customers, anyway, so why not offload them?
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