Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty in Rants, Raves, and Praise

Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty in Rants, Raves, and Praise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20736920 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:11:58 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:11:58 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20849493 KrK : Sorry. Not buying it. I read your meaning just fine, and I picked up your tone and your intent to insult.

I'll just respond again, with exactly what I stated the first time, and no more:

Some people feel their time is "too valuable" to "waste" doing Jury Duty.
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Oprah Jury Votes To Convict.
Trial, Says Winfrey, Was 'A Huge Reality Check' (August 19, 2004)

Only losers try to weasel their way out of their civic duties and obligations, or ignore them. End of discussion.
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said by KrK

said by Two Valuable :

So if my last name happens to be "Winfrey" or "Gates" then my time is worth exactly the same as, say, the guy behind the counter at Arby's?

I don't think so.

Yes, obviously, and that is part of the problem.

What do you mean "obviously?" If Oprah Winfrey's time was indeed considered equal to the fellow behind the counter at Arby's, then why would she be paid more?

She wouldn't be. The fact that she is would seem to indicate her time is considered worth more. Are you saying that this state of affairs is not so?

said by KrK

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You're stating that people who think that they are "important" are somehow more "entitled" then the "little people."

I stated nothing of the kind and I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth. If you bother to actually read what I wrote, you'll find that nowhere did I use the words "important," "entitled," or "little people."

Those are words that you are choosing to use, not me.

said by KrK

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Wrong.

I'm afraid that if there is anyone who is wrong here, it is you. I say this because only someone who is wrong and cannot defend the points he makes would find it necessary to attribute words to me that I never said (as you just tried to do).

If you want to refute my points, that's fine. But please do not try to tell me what I have and have not said. My words are there for all to see, and they do not match the ones that you are using.

said by KrK

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Being famous, rich, powerful, or whatever doesn't mean you have any right to be rude.

I agree entirely. And, again, if you bother to go back and read what I wrote, you'll find that nowhere did I make such an assertion. That is an assertion that you, and only you, are making.

said by KrK

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It may allow you to get away with it, but it doesn't make it right.

And, again, nowhere in my previous post did I say anything about attempting to "get away" with something.

said by KrK

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If you're waiting in line at the airport, just because you're paid $500,000 a year and the guy in front of you is paid $35,000 a year doesn't mean you get to push ahead.

That's a false analogy, sir. Me daring to call my time mine is not tantamount to pushing ahead of someone at an airport. How dare you claim that asserting property rights over my own property (my time) is equivalent to me shoving somone aside at an airport! Such an action would be unfairly depriving them of their property rights (i.e. the time that they have spent waiting in line).

Wow. Are you really reaching here, or what?

Clearly, your position is a desperate one if you have to resort to a false analogy in an attempt to paint me as some sort of bad guy.

I have merely asserted that my time is my own and that no one, (not you, not the State, not anyone) has A) a greater call on my time than I do and B) is able to determine whether or not I am wasting my time at any given moment. Only I am qualified to determine whether or not my time (which I am the owner of, remember?) is being wasted. Same deal goes for you and your time.

said by KrK

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Oh, yes, I know they get special treatment all the time... they just don't deserve it. You think a rich man's life is any more important then a working class man's?

Again, you're trying to put words into my mouth that I never said. That's getting to be a real habit with you, isn't it?

I never said that a "rich man's life is any more important than a working class man's." What I asserted is that both a rich man and a working class man both own their time. However, the value assigned to that time by other people is different.

If the time of Oprah Winfrey and the guy behind the counter at Arby's is worth exactly the same, then presumably I can call up Oprah right now and have her work the lunch rush tomorrow at Arby's, right?

Well, I can't. And that's because Oprah's time has a greater value assigned to it than the guy who is behind the counter at Arby's.

And, no, I do not assign the value of Oprah's time, nor do I assign the value of the time of the guy behind the counter at Arby's. That value is assigned by people who want to place calls on that time, and have Oprah (or our friend at Arby's) do something for them.

I'm sorry that some people making $8.50 an hour while someone else makes $850 an hour is a source of anger and frustration for you, but you'll have to take that up with the people paying those respective salaries. I'm sure that, for instance, defendants would be happy to start paying their briefs $8.50 an hour rather than $850 an hour. Whether or not their briefs would still be willing to spend time preparing a case and defending them at $8.50 an hour is, of course, something that only they know the answer to.

said by KrK

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Yes, they think so. I sure don't.

Well, your opinion is perfectly valid, the same as any other opinion is.

Provided, of course, you are not being paid for that opinion. Because different opinions seem to be worth different amounts of money, don't they?

I can ask my paperboy whether or not my transmission needs to be worked on and I can probably get an answer from him for $10. Unfortunately, my mechanic is going to want to charge me a lot more than $10 for his opinion.

Why? Because presumably he can find people who are willing to pay him more than $10 to diagnose a given problem and repair that problem.

Are you beginning to see how the time of some people is worth more than the time of other people now? Again, I don't decide how much my paperboy or my mechanic "ought to" get for their time. They set that price and I am only able to decide if I am willing to meet that price or not.

said by KrK

I'm also curious as to why it is you seem to feel qualified to judge whether someone's time is, or is not, wasted. Isn't the owner of that time the only one qualified to make that judgment?

I'm not the one making judgements as to the value of people's time. You are.

So attempting to make the claim that everyone's time is worth the exactly the same value is not rendering a judgment as to the value of that time?

Good lord, man, of course it is. Don't you read your own posts?

said by KrK

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Obviously I struck a nerve with you when I said "Some people think their time is too valuable to waste on Jury duty."

:uhh:
Yes, I'm afraid that the complete absence of logic and reason always "strikes a nerve" with me. It's one of my weaknesses.

said by KrK

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You want to blow off jury duty? Fine, Go ahead.

Well, here we go again.

Once more, you're attributing something to me that I never said. If you go back and read my post, I never even remotely said anything about "blowing off" jury duty. Those are your words, not mine.

Instead, I asserted that all time is not equal. And I know this because I am handed a different amount of money for my time than you are for yours. It can be less than the amount of money you are handed, or it can be more, but my point is not the amount, my point is that the amount varies from person to person.

said by KrK

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Just don't act like it has some higher justification...

My friend, you're the one bearing the burden of proof here. I claim that I am the owner of my time and that no one has a greater call on my time than I do. I don't have to justify anything to anyone, seeing as how I am only asserting property rights over what is rightfully mine.

If you wish to continue asserting that the State has a greater call on your own time than you do, go right ahead. But I hope that, by now, I have made it clear that I do not share your outlook on the matter.

said by KrK

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the Judge dismisses people who can show hardship anyway.

My point is that I should not have to justify to another human being how I use my time. I can't put it any plainer than that.

I'm sorry that you feel that only a judge is qualified to decide whether or not a given activity does or does not constitute a waste of my time, but I can assure you that no one has been making decisions regarding my time longer than I have. And no one is better qualified to make such decisions than I am.

If you're that gung-ho about jury duty yourself, there should be nothing to stop you from volunteering for as many juries as you like. Again, the 6th amendment only says that jurors are required to be impartial and lists no other requirements.

That being the case, there doesn't seem to be any reason why enthusiastic people such as yourself can't knock yourselves out doing what you like to do best. Which, apparently, is having other people tell you how to spend your time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20845910 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:29:34 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20845523 KrK :

said by Two Valuable :

So if my last name happens to be "Winfrey" or "Gates" then my time is worth exactly the same as, say, the guy behind the counter at Arby's?

I don't think so.

Yes, obviously, and that is part of the problem. You're stating that people who think that they are "important" are somehow more "entitled" then the "little people." Wrong. Being famous, rich, powerful, or whatever doesn't mean you have any right to be rude. It may allow you to get away with it, but it doesn't make it right. If you're waiting in line at the airport, just because you're paid $500,000 a year and the guy in front of you is paid $35,000 a year doesn't mean you get to push ahead. Oh, yes, I know they get special treatment all the time... they just don't deserve it. You think a rich man's life is any more important then a working class man's?

Yes, they think so. I sure don't.

I'm also curious as to why it is you seem to feel qualified to judge whether someone's time is, or is not, wasted. Isn't the owner of that time the only one qualified to make that judgment?

I'm not the one making judgements as to the value of people's time. You are. Obviously I struck a nerve with you when I said "Some people think their time is too valuable to waste on Jury duty."

You want to blow off jury duty? Fine, Go ahead. Just don't act like it has some higher justification... the Judge dismisses people who can show hardship anyway.
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said by KrK

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Your reply doesn't change my point. A lot of people consider their time "too valuable" to "waste" on Jury duty. These same people are the ones you speak of who think their time is more important then everyone else's... "Hurry up... MY time is valuable..."

I see. So if my last name happens to be "Winfrey" or "Gates" then my time is worth exactly the same as, say, the guy behind the counter at Arby's?

I don't think so.

You're pretending that everyone's time is worth the exact same amount of money. And while that's very egalitarian of you, that just isn't the case.

I'm also curious as to why it is you seem to feel qualified to judge whether someone's time is, or is not, wasted. Isn't the owner of that time the only one qualified to make that judgment?

The guy behind the counter at Arby's may feel that his time serving customers sandwiches at $8.50 an hour is indeed well spent. But if my background and experience is in trucking, and I can make $30 an hour driving a truck, wouldn't making $8.50 an hour behind the counter at Arby's seem to me to be a waste of time?

said by KrK

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Jury duty is a civic duty, if you don't want to do it, that's your prerogative, but don't act like the problem is someone else telling you what to with your time.

Someone else trying to tell me what to do with my time is exactly the problem here. No one is more entitled to my time than I am, seeing as how I am the owner of that time, and know better than anyone else how it is best spent, contrary to your assertions.

You seem to think that just because the State labels something a "duty," that that's all I need to know. I don't know where you got that from, but I'm not impressed with a line of "reasoning" that says "you ought to be at point X doing activity Y just because the State says so."

Either I have the first call on my time and property or I do not. I'm puzzled as to why you would feel that the State (and not you) has the first call on your time and property, but I don't share your feeling at all.

Supposedly, the Civil War was fought to free a group of people who also did not have the first call on their time and property, but maybe I got that one wrong. Or perhaps involuntary servitude is perfectly okay with you, provided that the State is the one playing the role of master?

If you read the 6th amendment, the idea is that the people sitting on the jury are impartial. That is all. And with that being the case, there is no reason why juries cannot be made up solely of volunteers. After all, our armed forces are comprised solely of volunteers, so why not our juries? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20845472 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:06:35 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20844024 KrK : Your reply doesn't change my point. A lot of people consider their time "too valuable" to "waste" on Jury duty. These same people are the ones you speak of who think their time is more important then everyone else's... "Hurry up... MY time is valuable..."

Jury duty is a civic duty, if you don't want to do it, that's your prerogative, but don't act like the problem is someone else telling you what to with your time.
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I am sure that in small cities, court do send police after those that fails to come but this never happens in such city as Los Angeles, as court does not have the manpower to do it.
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said by KrK

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A lot of people take the attitude that their time is "too valuable" to "waste" on Jury Duty.

A lot of people take the attitude that they know exactly what the time of other people is worth.

Unfortunately, they have no way of knowing this. So it would be nice if they would stop pretending that they know exactly how other people "ought to" spend their time. Other people will have to make that decision for themselves, seeing as how they're the only ones qualified to make such a decision regarding their own time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20841362 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:45:49 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20840844 AricBrown : Its pretty cool. I hear all of the stuff that goes on. I hear things that never make to the court room due to the lawyers getting it thrown out. I also have determined that my town has a major meth problem. You learn about all of the dark things that no one wants to admit about your community. I meet 1 day a week for 10 weeks. I think each county in Texas is different. We have 5 district courts and each court picks 1 grand jury a year and then they have 2 weeks off so 5 x 10 = 50 weeks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20840844 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:58:06 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20840630 TrainBuff : Couple of my co-workers sat on a Grand Jury. They were empaneled for a month, but met only 2 or 3 days a week.
And another co-worker sat on a Special Grand Jury and they were empaneled for about 6 months, but met about 2 days a week.
Me, I sat on a civil case. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20840630 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:51:08 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20840350 heliox : What is it like sitting on a Grand Jury. I heard the are empaneled for a month?

I've been on three cases, foreman on two. Personally, I find it fascinating. I wondered what it would be like on a grand Jury.
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said by 81399672

said by AricBrown

You forgot about little thing called due process.

A finding of contempt of court may result from a failure to obey a lawful order of a court, showing disrespect for the judge, disruption of the proceedings through poor behavior, or publication of material deemed likely to jeopardize a fair trial. A judge may impose sanctions such as a fine or jail for someone found guilty of contempt of court. Typically judges in common law systems have more extensive power to declare someone in contempt than judges in civil law systems.

Sanctions for contempt may be criminal or civil. If a person is to be punished criminally, then the contempt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but once the charge is proven, then punishment (such as a fine or, in more serious cases, imprisonment) is imposed unconditionally. The civil sanction for contempt (which is typically incarceration in the custody of the sheriff or similar court officer) is limited in its imposition for so long as the disobedience to the court's order continues: once the party complies with the court's order, the sanction is lifted. The contemnor is said to "hold the keys" to his or her own cell, thus conventional due process is not required.

This came from wikipedia so in itself is questionable. But it was the quickest thing I could find]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20839832 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:33:58 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20839245 81399672 :

said by AricBrown

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I currently am sitting on a grand jury in Texas, I have sat on other juries as a petit juror. I look at it this way. I could get out of it but if every good person like me gets out of it then only the low lifes who want the $40 a day will do it. If I ever get in trouble I sure would want a normal person listening to my trial not the bottom of the barrel people.

Also I talked to the DA, and in Texas the judge can throw you in the clink for up to 180 days with no proof of anything. Its contempt of HIS order so if you don't come to court they can toss you in jail with no trial. They just don't because the judges are elected and that would be bad press. But if people stop showing up and trials get delayed too many times they will.

You forgot about little thing called due process. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20839245 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:26:47 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838667 Rob :

said by KrK

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A lot of people take the attitude that their time is "too valuable" to "waste" on Jury Duty.

Except when they are the ones in the hot seats, they want a "speedy trial".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838667 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:37:11 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838625 KrK : A lot of people take the attitude that their time is "too valuable" to "waste" on Jury Duty.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838625 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:29:22 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838585 AricBrown : I currently am sitting on a grand jury in Texas, I have sat on other juries as a petit juror. I look at it this way. I could get out of it but if every good person like me gets out of it then only the low lifes who want the $40 a day will do it. If I ever get in trouble I sure would want a normal person listening to my trial not the bottom of the barrel people.

Also I talked to the DA, and in Texas the judge can throw you in the clink for up to 180 days with no proof of anything. Its contempt of HIS order so if you don't come to court they can toss you in jail with no trial. They just don't because the judges are elected and that would be bad press. But if people stop showing up and trials get delayed too many times they will.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20838585 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:23:06 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827954 banditws6 : I own a business and do work on a contract basis. If I don't put in hours, I don't get paid. Jury service is therefore a potentially frightening financial prospect for me -- not that a few days of service would kill me, but if I got into a protracted case that went on for weeks, it could be a big problem.

Nevertheless, when I was recently activated for jury service in federal district court, I reported in as required. Fortunately my service ended up being unnecessary, but I would have done my duty if need be. I might not have liked it, but them's the breaks.
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said by nightshade74

said by CylonRed

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You're lucky that you work pay, with exception of NJ(they require employer to pay for x days of jury duty), an employer just don't pay you for the days you're at jury duty. After all, why should they pay you if your are not working. It's same as asking for days off and expecting to be paid.

Several states -- even Alabama -- mandate the payment.
Fact of the matter 87% of employers pay for jury duty.
»www.dol.gov/dol/topic/benefits-l···duty.htm

The fact still remains majority of the state have no such laws. As for 87% paying, the only thing that matters if the person particular employer is paying. Being self employed, i have no incentive to do jury duty]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827876 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:06:33 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827859 nightshade74 :

said by CylonRed

Several states -- even Alabama -- mandate the payment.
Fact of the matter 87% of employers pay for jury duty.
»www.dol.gov/dol/topic/benefits-l···duty.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827859 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:03:49 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827827 CylonRed : Every professional job has paid and that includes EVERY single professional job my friends have over the last 15 years or so (took off a couple of years for guys going to college). They pay because they want to keep people working for them and they see it as a civic duty. It is not like 25 people out of a company of 100 is going to do jury duty. A medium sized company may have 1-2 people a YEAR with a possibility of doing jury duty.

Again - pretty much SOP for every company I have worked for and my friends have worked for. I am 99% certain that one of my hourly jobs paid your regular schedule if you did jury duty and you handed over the check to the employer.

Brother s jobs have been the same way - even in California.

Same reason companies give vacation, incidental, and sick days - it is a benefit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827827 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:57:32 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827779 81399672 :

said by CylonRed

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LOL - of course you won't mind your county raising its taxes to cover the added cost - right?

Not sure about every hourly job but all of my professional jobs you don't lose pay. You turn over the small amount they pay you and you get full pay for the period of time. I am sure it is probably different for most hourly workers but salary, the vast majority of the time, won't take any hit.

You're lucky that you work pay, with exception of NJ(they require employer to pay for x days of jury duty), an employer just don't pay you for the days you're at jury duty. After all, why should they pay you if your are not working. It's same as asking for days off and expecting to be paid.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827779 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:46:55 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827741 CylonRed : LOL - of course you won't mind your county raising its taxes to cover the added cost - right?

Not sure about every hourly job but all of my professional jobs you don't lose pay. You turn over the small amount they pay you and you get full pay for the period of time. I am sure it is probably different for most hourly workers but salary, the vast majority of the time, won't take any hit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827741 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:40:35 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827026 gudel : If the court would actually pay people (jury) a fair compensation, perhaps more people would be willing to do it.

I find the court in contempt for wasting my time. I'd like to be able to fine them for that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20827026 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:26:49 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20807907 81399672 : Alakar what you referring to is Santa Barbara, that is much smaller city than los angeles county. Chances of Court sending sheriff for everyone that do not reply is zero
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said by 81399672

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Lets take a look at my situation. When i moved 8 years ago, i forwarded some mail to my business address. My voting registration also got changed to that address(i didn't take any step to change it, it was done automatically). I haven't voted for over 8 years and haven't register it for correct address being that i am not required to do so by law. Jury duty is sent to my business address instead of my home address which is the address that i have on my driver license. Normal procedure is to sent jury duty to person home address. So please tell me why i am responsible for jury duty when we get hundreds of envelopes a day. I also had my mail delivered to wrong office before.

You better start rethinking your attitude Ylen. California uses voter registration and drivers license info for jury notification. It also appears that communities in California are cracking down on the dirt bags like you.

»www.ksby.com/global/story.asp?s=8484678

In north Santa Barbara County, judicial services hand out about 700 summons a week. 15 to 20 percent of people don't respond. Not showing up for jury duty can cost you as much as a $1,000 fine or even jail time.

The courts held a hearing for 19 citizens in south Santa Barbara County who repeatedly did not report for jury duty. Many received hundreds of dollars in fines. But the goal of this program is not punishment - all the court is asking for is cooperation.

If you ignore the rules on a summons, you can be in a whole lot of trouble.

Bruce Bambico has never served on a jury, but he has heard how people try to get out of it.

"They say that they're either prejudiced, or they don't believe in the laws, or the constitution, or something like that, make up excuses just to get out of jury duty," Bambico said.

The Failure to Appear program basically says three strikes and you're out. If you do not answer the first two summons, the courts will send you a third. If you ignore that one, the court and sheriff's department will order you to a hearing.

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said by Vtblues

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The lawyers don't have total control over who is on the jury,

Lawyers don't need total control over a jury to influence the outcome of a trial. All they need to do is be able to play upon the sympathies and prejudices of the jurors. Which is why jury selection can take so long: if lawyers weren't worried about getting the "right" jury, jury selection would be over in no time.

But the jury selection in (Dare I say it?) the OJ Simpson case took 10 weeks. A class action suit in Florida that comes to mind took three months and plowed through 800 prospects.

In the Simpson case, prospective jurors had to fill out a 79-page questionaire. Which I don't have a problem with because it is, after all, the lawyer's job to get inside the heads of prospective jurors and find out what makes them tick in order to determine how malleable they are.

However, there's no reason I know of why some sort of "master questionnaire" that covers the basics (like, say, my political beliefs, among other things) cannot be kept on file. Such a questionnaire could cut down on inviting people to serve on juries who believe in, say, legalizing drugs or, worse, jury nullification (the horror!).

I'm not saying it would necessarily completely eliminate the need for jurors to spend time in a courtroom. What I am saying is that information could easily be gathered beforehand to cut down on wasting time on prospective jurors that the defense/prosecution don't want to see on the jury.

But there's no incentive for the court system to develop techniques to make the selection process speedier and more efficient because they are not even remotely concerned about wasting your time (and mine). Otherwise, they could have taken very basic steps to streamline jury selection long ago (why not allow teleconferencing, for example). The fact that consideration for the convenience and time of the juror is the exception rather than the rule should tell you a lot about the esteem you and I are typically held in.

Respect is, after all, a two-way street. And while I'm willing to meet people halfway, my experience of the jury duty process is that it is run by people who flat-out don't care about you. Fair enough, I say, and turnabout is fair play as well.

said by Vtblues

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each side is only allowed to dismiss a limited number of jurors for just that reason.

You're overlooking the fact that a great deal of self-selection takes place even before prospective jurors get anywhere near a courtroom.

For example, busy people (like, say, the self-employed) tend to avoid service whenever possible. I'm not saying that all busy people do, just that it cannot be said that people who have a lot going on are as likely to be empaneled as, say, an unemployed person is.

The pool that juries select from usually has a disproportionate number of retirees, the unemployed, and workers who can be spared from their jobs.

I'm not saying that's a good or a bad thing. What I am saying is that the pool of jurors is not as typical a cross-section of the population as some people seem to think it is. And this self-selection takes place before the lawyers ever come into the picture.

said by Vtblues

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I certainly would never want a person to sit on a jury who feels the entire process was just a charade designed to reach a foregone conclusion.

When, exactly, did I ever use the phrase "the entire process [is] just a charade designed to reach a foregone conclusion?" I'll thank you to point out a specific instance to me.

Or are you trying to put words into my mouth?

Rather than maintain that the whole process is all about reaching a "foregone conclusion," (?) I'm merely claiming that in my experience, lawyers look upon certain traits, attitudes, and belief systems as being desirable in prospective jurors.

And when they don't find what it is they are looking for, they want no part of you.

After all, if jury selection were all about selecting "fair and impartial" jurors, there would be no money to be made in the jury consulting business, would there?

said by Vtblues

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Mr. Jury Fury, you are dismissed.

Thanks for being so dismissive.

Gosh, if only trial lawyers were so quick to get rid of me without feeling compelled to drag me into a courtroom, only to find that I am entirely unable to act in a way that meets with their approval.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20793129 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:43:37 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20792789 Vtblues : The lawyers don't have total control over who is on the jury, each side is only allowed to dismiss a limited number of jurors for just that reason.
I certainly would never want a person to sit on a jury who feels the entire process was just a charade designed to reach a foregone conclusion. Mr. Jury Fury, you are dismissed.
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said by 59678178

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Well then, who do you think should sit on a jury?

Do you honestly believe that the judge and the lawyers ask me this question when I report for jury duty?

Jury Duty is not about what I might want, or value. It is all about lending an air of legitimacy to what other people want. Specifically, the judge and lawyers involved in the case. You and I am merely there to serve their interests.

Believe me, I would very much like to remain under the impression that judges and lawyers enjoy having thoughtful and intelligent people who are willing to think for themselves sit on juries. But both my own direct experience and that of friends who work "for the system" have informed me otherwise.

Jury selection is a process I've been through more than once. And if I thought my being there would help matters, then I would gladly be there. But it's been made apparent to me (again, more than once) that my presence is not desired there; my absence is. Because the judges and lawyers involved are perfectly aware of the results they are looking for and the type of person who will give them those results.

Sadly, my background and experience seem to have made me the type of person who is unable to provide those results for them. And, equally sadly, these folks aren't willing to acknowledge that fact once and for all, but insist on staging the whole hideous charade again and again, something that does not exactly engender respect.

The definition of insanity is repeating the exact same process over and over again and expecting a different result. And some people are prefectly comfortable (even eager) to subject themselves to that exact same process over and over again, despite the relative certainty of the outcome.

And that's their prerogative. Recognizing insanity when I see it and refusing to take part in it is mine; I hope they will not begrudge me that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20792574 Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:34:17 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20791891 59678178 :

said by Jury Fury :

Well, I'm older now. And I have come to feel that my first duty is to myself and my family. It's nothing personal and I don't hate anyone: I've simply grown tired of other people who feel they have the right to tell me what to do when they have no such right, that's all.

Well then, who do you think should sit on a jury?
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said by Vtblues

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Any time I've served jury duty I was glad I was there instead of some idiot and hoped that if I ever needed a jury trial that there would be jurors who felt the same.

I think it's great that you felt you were there instead of "some idiot." But I think you'll find that at least one side in any given case is going to want the most stupid, gullible, and easily led jurors so that they can tell them what to think.

Lawyers do not want smart people sitting on a jury. Instead, they want people who can be led around to the conclusions that they wish for them to reach. Smart people ask awkward and embarrassing questions and tend to want to form their own opinions. And lawyers do not get paid for letting people reach their own conclusions unaided.

The jury-selection industry is a $200 million business. You can hire consultants that will help you pick the "right" jury that will help you win your case (or help your client stay out of prison).

If you think this industry exists solely in the interests of justice and fairness, you may want to think again.

You're being picked for a jury means chances are good that at least one side feels that your being there is going to help their case. You don't necessarily have to be an "idiot," you just have to be useful to them.

Why else would they want you sitting on the jury? To be fair and impartial? Who told you that?

said by Vtblues

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So for those that think you're so brilliant for getting out of it or avoiding it, I would want you deciding anybody's fate anyway. I can just imagine quick judgments just so you can get home and have a beer.

I don't feel that I am "brilliant" for seeking to avoid jury duty, or to get out of it if I am called. I merely insist that no one has a greater call on my time and money than I do.

Other folks, of course, may be eager to place their time and money at the beck and call of The State and far be it from me to boss them around and tell them how they "ought to" spend their own time and money.

I'm sorry that you feel that my first duty is to serve the interests of The State. But my own personal experience is that whenever there is something dirty, unpleasant, and shameful to be done, The State declares it to be a "duty" and insists that you do it.

Well, I'm older now. And I have come to feel that my first duty is to myself and my family. It's nothing personal and I don't hate anyone: I've simply grown tired of other people who feel they have the right to tell me what to do when they have no such right, that's all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20791653 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:58:30 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20790159 Vtblues : Any time I've served jury duty I was glad I was there instead of some idiot and hoped that if I ever needed a jury trial that there would be jurors who felt the same.
So for those that think you're so brilliant for getting out of it or avoiding it, I would want you deciding anybody's fate anyway. I can just imagine quick judgments just so you can get home and have a beer.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20790159 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:56:45 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20788903 Rob :

said by 59678178

said by Rob

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I've done it in a criminal case, and it wasn't bad, until the day we found the guy guilty and he received 30 years in prison. I went home at the end of the day realizing that while I was happy to put a murderer behind bars, that it was me who put him there and how I changed the life of a man and a family forever.

but the life of the perso he took and that family is what really mattered.

Yea. The guy wasn't the only low life, his entire family was.

At one point his girlfriend testified and had this entire story about how her bf was with her and his mom that night and that he couldn't do it, and that the guy he used she doesn't know where it came from.

After the testimony, we had a break. During the break, a police officer was standing outside and overheard the girlfriend telling his mom exactly what she said, even telling her what she told the court they had for dinner that night.

So after the break, the mom took the stand and gave the exact same story, and then they asked her about the conversation she had outside minutes ago and they started with the "aye, i have high blood pressure and I don't remember" story.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20788903 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:04:18 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20788705 59678178 :

said by Rob

but the life of the perso he took and that family is what really mattered.
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said by drslash

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I think TX/WV's ravings are moot. A judge has a very low legal threshold to meet to find someone in civil contempt. The judge can act based on the preponderance of evidence, i.e. was it more likely than not that an individual ignored the jury notice.

This is not a civil court. As such, it's beyond a reasonable doubt standard.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20787282 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:45:59 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20787102 drslash : I think TX/WV's ravings are moot. A judge has a very low legal threshold to meet to find someone in civil contempt. The judge can act based on the preponderance of evidence, i.e. was it more likely than not that an individual ignored the jury notice.
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said by CylonRed

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No - it was sent to an addres you are AT and YOU provided the address - in no way was it sent to the wrong address unless you intentionally provided a wrong address and the Judge would just LOVE that action.

"Yea - I know I provided the wrong address but I didn't want the silly notices."

"WEll I work there but I am not responsible for my own mail I get at work."

If i don't vote, i don't have to update my address! So if i change jobs let say, am i responsible then?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786960 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:26:25 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786949 CylonRed : No - it was sent to an addres you are AT and YOU provided the address - in no way was it sent to the wrong address unless you intentionally provided a wrong address and the Judge would just LOVE that action.

"Yea - I know I provided the wrong address but I didn't want the silly notices."

"WEll I work there but I am not responsible for my own mail I get at work."

In our notices there is nothing that says you can't get a notice at work if that is the address you provide.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786949 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:24:43 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786936 81399672 :

said by CylonRed

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Wow - what a weak excuse. Would you accept that 'explanation' from a client that owes you money "Man - I get so much mail - I am not responsible enough to keep track of it."

What a freaking joke.

No, but i would if it was sent to wrong address. Which is the case here. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786936 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:20:32 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786934 CylonRed : Wow - what a weak excuse. Would you accept that 'explanation' from a client that owes you money "Man - I get so much mail - I am not responsible enough to keep track of it." Would a business or employee you have accept that excuse from YOU? "Sorry about your check not going out - I missed a notice from the bank because I am not responsible for all of the mail I get at work."

What a freaking joke.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786934 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:19:33 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786926 81399672 :

said by CylonRed

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AS I noted - the warrant would probably for you to explain why you did not show up and then it is up to the Judge. If he decides you are lying or don;t have a good enough excuse (or you tell him you pitched it) then he has remdies that are perfectly legal for him to do.

My guess a first time offender would get a warning. More violations and it would become obvious something else is up and then they can do something more perfectly legal like... With or without your lawyer.

The one time I wish I still worked at a court.

Lets take a look at my situation. When i moved 8 years ago, i forwarded some mail to my business address. My voting registration also got changed to that address(i didn't take any step to change it, it was done automatically). I haven't voted for over 8 years and haven't register it for correct address being that i am not required to do so by law. Jury duty is sent to my business address instead of my home address which is the address that i have on my driver license. Normal procedure is to sent jury duty to person home address. So please tell me why i am responsible for jury duty when we get hundreds of envelopes a day. I also had my mail delivered to wrong office before. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786926 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:17:10 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786911 CylonRed : AS I noted - the warrant would probably for you to explain why you did not show up and then it is up to the Judge. If he decides you are lying or don;t have a good enough excuse (or you tell him you pitched it) then he has remdies that are perfectly legal for him to do.

My guess a first time offender would get a warning. More violations and it would become obvious something else is up and then they can do something more perfectly legal like... With or without your lawyer.

The one time I wish I still worked at a court.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786911 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:11:23 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786895 81399672 :

said by CylonRed

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So what? Judges can and will send out warrants - certified mail or no.

That is fine, but i will have my lawyer(s) sue the judge in court for violating my civil rights. A judge can't hold someone in contempt of court unless that person knowingly violated court order. A notice that is sent out and not received do not constitute knowing violation of court order.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786895 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:06:18 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786885 CylonRed : So what? Judges can and will send out warrants - certified mail or no.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786885 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:03:57 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786805 81399672 :

said by CylonRed

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Except the proof I already posted to you to prove you wrong and that you CAN have a warrant issued. Of coursed you will only refer to the SECOND link I posted and 'explain' it away but the FIRST link - no certified mail and trh ejudge sent the warrants out.

We don't know that no certificate jury duty notice was sent in the first link. It's possible that it was just not mentioned. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786805 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:46:49 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786795 CylonRed : Except the proof I already posted to you to prove you wrong and that you CAN have a warrant issued. Of coursed you will only refer to the SECOND link I posted and 'explain' it away but the FIRST link - no certified mail and trh ejudge sent the warrants out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786795 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:44:04 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786039 81399672 :

said by dvd536

said by rody_44

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Throwing the notice away has worked for me my entire life. Never a call or visit from the police here. Im 49 years old and dont plan on serving until i retire. Civic duty is bull shit. I pay enough taxes that it doesnt bother me. If you dont think throwing it away works its because you never threw it away.

When was your last traffic ticket? you might be surprised to find out you have a warrant for your arrest.
not showing up without communications to the court is considered contempt of court.

Not showing to the court after being notified by court through verified source is considered a contempt of court. You still seem to refuse to accept that notice sent thru regular mail and are not certified do not constitute contempt of court if ignored being that court has no evidence you ever received the notice in the first place.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20786039 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:06:29 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20785833 dvd536 :

said by rody_44

When was your last traffic ticket? you might be surprised to find out you have a warrant for your arrest.
not showing up without communications to the court is considered contempt of court.
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said by 81399672

said by Kearnstd

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doesnt your company also have to by law pay you for Jury duty days in some states?

Maybe in some states, for sure not in California.

Not in Texas either.

And not getting an income because you miss a day of work is not a excuse for getting out of jury duty.

And -- did you know that you have to claim the money you get from jury duty - no matter how little or how much - off your federal income tax - it's considered taxable income.

Here in Harris County we get paid a wopping $6.00 a day and we have to pay $7.00 to park in the jury assembly garage. We can use park & ride and ride for free, but only one way. If you get picked for a jury then you get paid $40/day beginning the 2nd day.

Our Metro only allows one way now - they use to allow both ways for free, so the court baliff gave everyone using park & ride a return trip coupon to ride back to your car for free, the last time I had jury duty.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20774644 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:49:12 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20773774 anon : This would probably be why I perk up and find something objectionable when I do get assigned to a case. Last one was easy enough. It was a civil case for medical malpractice. My father was the subject of such a case (well, wrongful death), and surprise, surprise, they really didn't want me on the jury anymore.

If you have to dump a jury duty (ie. real paycheck, other obligations, etc.), it's really as easy as showing up, getting yourself disqualified, and going home.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20773774 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:44:39 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20772903 La Luna : I don't mind, but I really can't afford to sit there for God knows how long without a real paycheck.

Last time I went I sat there all day for an attempted murder case. I was one of the last two people waiting at the end of the day to be interviewed when they announced the plaintiff had cut a deal. I went home with a migraine from sitting in that hot, stuffy courtroom all day.:huh:
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said by Kearnstd

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doesnt your company also have to by law pay you for Jury duty days in some states?

Maybe in some states, for sure not in California. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20772750 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:25:07 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20767712 Kearnstd : doesnt your company also have to by law pay you for Jury duty days in some states?

personally i love the friday summons, when i make that phone call to see if i need to arrive/where to park i'm always told that i dont need to show up. guess the judge went fishing.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20767198 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:06:49 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20766998 ykronic : To be honest I'm kind of surprised you don't have more appreciation for jury duty. From your posts isn't your solution typically to sue the person/company in question anyways?
Hard to make those lawsuits happen if everyone advocated ignoring jury duty like yourself.
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said by 81399672

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Police in France came to your place because you missed jury duty in usa?

No, I've been living in the US since '98, I think in 2000, I was selected for jury duty in France. My dad (in France) received the summons, and just ignored it. Because there was no reply, the local Gendarmerie (rural police) came to my house in France looking for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20766198 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:40:15 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20766089 dvd536 :

said by 81399672

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As i pointed out above, those 200 people in second link got ceritified notice as they had to show up. So they knew of legal requirement that they had to come.

Alot of people won't pick up certified mail because they're afraid its bill collectors or child support enforcement.
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said by CylonRed

said by 81399672

said by CylonRed

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I believe a judge recently took out warrants against 100 or so folks who ignored the jury duty notice...

As i pointed out above, those 200 people in second link got ceritified notice as they had to show up. So they knew of legal requirement that they had to come.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20765570 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:44:34 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20765547 CylonRed :

said by 81399672

said by CylonRed

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I believe a judge recently took out warrants against 100 or so folks who ignored the jury duty notice...

And yet you insist they can't do it but yet they do.... hmmmm Whom would I believe? I can only hope it comes back to bite ya.

The warrant is to get them to explain why they did not show up - reasonable explanation will probably work ok with a stern warning. As for what he plans to do for those with a lousy excuse - I dunno but I would bet some type of fine and maybe the name goes into the system again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20765547 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:39:54 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20765531 81399672 :

said by CylonRed

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I believe a judge recently took out warrants against 100 or so folks who ignored the jury duty notice...

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From your second link "Those being targeted were among more than 200 people who failed to show up to the mass hearings in November, out of 325 summoned. The current crackdown involves cases where someone from the person's home signed for the certified mail, signaling they knew of the hearing." Notice it was sent as certified mail]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20765531 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:37:24 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20765482 81399672 :

said by CylonRed

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I believe a judge recently took out warrants against 100 or so folks who ignored the jury duty notice...

Again, what evidence a judge has that this 100 people received the jury duty notice? My jury duty notice get sent to my work as my voting registration address by accident(without my doing) got change. Being that i don't vote, i haven't bother to register. So you telling me, i can be arrested because say i changed job and never received this notice? My driver licences has correct address, yet they don't send me notice to my house which is were they supposed to send it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20765482 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:27:39 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20765464 CylonRed : I believe a judge recently took out warrants against 100 or so folks who ignored the jury duty notice...

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said by gimme5

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I would love to be on a jury.

I got three notices if I remember correctly, but could not serve. Twice because I was not a U.S. citizen, and one was sent to me in France, but I live in the U.S. . My dad actually received it and ignored it. Then the police came to my address in France looking for me because I never replied to the summons. My dad explained the situation and everything was fine.

I'm looking forward to receiving a summons so I can hopefully serve.

Police in France came to your place because you missed jury duty in usa?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20765413 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:17:00 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20765328 81399672 : What evidence court has that jury duty was received by intended person? Unless the jury duty is sent certified, no record exist that tells the court it was delivered to correct location.
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said by sivran

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Sure you can say no. You do it by not registering to vote. If you don't register to vote, you won't get called. At least, that's how it works here.

Many jurisdictions don't rely solely on voter registration. If you have utilities in your name, own property, receive any public services, or just have a driver's license, your name is likely to find its way into the pool.
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said by disconnected :

Involuntary servitude to the state is just another sign of a collectivist/Marxist society. Too bad our founding fathers were inconsistent with the writing of the Constitution. To be free means to be free to say no! to the government.

Sure you can say no. You do it by not registering to vote. If you don't register to vote, you won't get called. At least, that's how it works here.

I've been called only once. I was still in school, so I got out of that. My dad got out when he was called due to prior arrests. Even if he had gone in, he wouldn't have been accepted on that basis anyway.
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Your name will go back in the system, probably as a quick call, like those that get a postponement.

Our local county court calls so many people that a few no-shows are meaningless.

Like I said before, I liked being a Juror even though I never actually sat for a case, I want them to call me again.
You even get to wear this pretty little pin( :D ) that says you are a Juror and you must keep it on from the time you arrive in the morning until you leave at night, it means you are off limits.

Every job I had paid the employee at least the difference in what the court pays and your normal pay.

Your Employer must allow you to serve and they can't punish you for serving, they do NOT have to pay you, even though most do.
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said by insomniac84

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If we are talking jail time, then the judge damn well be able to prove you got the notice beyond a reasonable doubt. I guess if it was a civil ruling for a fine he could use the preponderance of evidence and reason that if they sent 10 notices one of them had to make it. But that would mean he can't issue a warrant or jail time. Only a fine.

You are so out of touch with reality that it's almost scary.

A judge has almost complete discretion in how he decides something, and in what penalty he imposes.
If a judge doesn't like the way you answer his questions, he isn't limited to telling you "don't speak to me in that tone of voice". He can, and frequently will, put you in jail overnight to get your attention. Look it up - I'm not exaggerating.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20754072 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:15:06 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20752925 Rob :

said by Nate425

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I'd like to sit on at least one jury in my life though, just for the experience.

I've done it in a criminal case, and it wasn't bad, until the day we found the guy guilty and he received 30 years in prison. I went home at the end of the day realizing that while I was happy to put a murderer behind bars, that it was me who put him there and how I changed the life of a man and a family forever.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20752925 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:39:00 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20752773 Nate425 : That's a pretty bad way to do it. I got called a while ago and like your system, I had to call every day to see if I had to report. Most of the time it was no, then the last day, they said I had to come in. So I went in and while at the courthouse, they said the parties settled out of court at the last minute and we weren't needed. We got paid for the day, and taken out of the pool for a year just because we showed up.

I'd like to sit on at least one jury in my life though, just for the experience.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20752773 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:06:04 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20752531 dgilbert : around here they wait until the WEEK BEFORE to mail out notices. this is no problem for the folks who have no job, but my job is usually scheduled out several weeks in advance. i got calle dup a few months back, got the notice on Friday to be there Monday morning. problem was, i was leaving Saturday for NM/AZ for a week to work. then just 3 weeks ago i get called up again. this time i did have 10 days notice, but it still was no good due to the fact we were in the middle of installign a new 3 county system for an ambulance service and a new system for a local police dept. i took a letter in to be remvoed from the voting rolls, and they calle dme back week before last. it seems that they can remove me from the Jury pool without removing me from teh voting rolls. we wwill see how well that works. if i get called again, i will force them to remove my name from the rolls all together.

JD is a BIG PITA around here for anyone who has a job. the short notice is a well known problem. plus the fact that they tell you to call a certain number after 5:30 the day before you are to report. many times that number will say no one has to show up, so you never know until LITERALLY the day before if you have it or not. and even if they say no JD you have to call back each day for the rest of the week, asd they may call you at any time that week. another thing is if the defendant takes a plea you do not get credit for serving! MS law allows them to plea up until the jury makes their determination, and without the jury reahcing a verdict the entire jury gets no credit for time served! i know people who have served 5-6 times in a single year, but because they never got to render a verdict they go right back in the pool.
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If I got called for a case where something worthwhile was being decided then I'd be OK with that. But missing work for two days because of a naked money grab by losers and their lawyers I'm not OK with.
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said by CajunTek

said by drslash

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Just remember...when you are on trial, your guilt or innocence will be decided by people who are not smart enough to get out of jury duty!

I am smart enough to get out of it.. I'm also smart enough to know that it is my civic duty and that I am not a freeloader on the system..

No one would want to be on a jury if they weren't compensated for their time but then again its entirely voluntary... but we are fooled into thinking its mandatory due to threats of going to jail... that always work in a democracy. i heard that all 12 jury has to agree for a defender to be proven innocent? that's insane...
how about 7 out of 12 or 6 out of 6?
the court system is messup its not a fair trial regardless if its a jury trial or trial by the judge.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751658 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:55:31 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751626 insomniac84 : If we are talking jail time, then the judge damn well be able to prove you got the notice beyond a reasonable doubt. I guess if it was a civil ruling for a fine he could use the preponderance of evidence and reason that if they sent 10 notices one of them had to make it. But that would mean he can't issue a warrant or jail time. Only a fine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20751626 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:40:06 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749503 drslash :

said by DC DSL

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You're wrong, but I'm through trying to edify you. Get off your backside and YOU substantiate your assertions with links to the official court or gov sites.

Of course he's wrong. He's claiming innocent until proved guilty and guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. That may be the standard for criminal matters but it is not the standard in civil matters. Ignoring the court can be handled criminally or civilly.
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said by insomniac84

said by DC DSL

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Judges usually will understand that mail sometimes doesn't show up, but if it's habitual (as in always ignoring notices), the judge is well within the law to fine or jail someone to make it clear that being a scofflaw is not tolerable in this society.

I have friends who never received the initial notice of jury duty. But received reminder notices that their day to show up was quickly approaching. I also have friends who never received ANY notices because they were out of the country. One of them had to call when he arrived home, and he actually had to go and meet with the Judge and show documentation. They exempted him and put him back into the pool - he hasn't been called since.

In any case, you can only pull the "I never received the notice" card very few times.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749244 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:03:03 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749206 insomniac84 :

said by DC DSL

No they do not. The way court works is that the accuser has to prove his case. The defendant is presumed innocent. Unless you have some kind of evidence to show a person saw the notice, you cannot get away with charging someone with ignoring it. You are confusing RIAA philosophy with real law. Real law requires evidence to prove guilt. It does not require evidence to prove innocence. "I mailed you a letter so you got it." is not evidence. Evidence might be "The letter carrier remembers putting the jury notice into your mail box." But that still doesn't even prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you saw it.
I think the biggest problem with this jury crap is that they don't even attempt to call your phone. The library has an automated caller that tells you if you forgot to return a book. But the court who can issue warrants and cost you a bunch of money for tows, impounds, lost wages, and lost jobs relies only on a postcard. They should have to call and serve you with the notice before being able to issue a warrant. Our courts are way out of wack.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749206 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:55:25 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748671 gimme5 : Jury duties should be sent via certified mail.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748671 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:05:40 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20748318 DC DSL : Sorry, but I'm not "making crap up." Jury duty is well-known to everyone. An order of the court is just that: you obey it, or you are in contempt. Period. If the notice was genuinely lost, you get your chance to tell your side...if it's a one-time thing, probably nothing will happen. Judges usually will understand that mail sometimes doesn't show up, but if it's habitual (as in always ignoring notices), the judge is well within the law to fine or jail someone to make it clear that being a scofflaw is not tolerable in this society.

If one's mail delivery is regularly unreliable, file complaints with the area Postmaster. Maintain records of that and present it as evidence to support a claim that notices aren't received...either with a judge or a creditor.

Oh, and one can find out easily from the court when they are likely to be called again for service to know to be on the lookout. Just call and ask where you are in the wheel, and mark your calendar...then if you don't get a notice, call and make sure.

Just because you object to how the system operates does not make it bad law. A summons by the court is not at all the same thing as filing a lawsuit, and the process has been consistently upheld. Some areas are now more up-to-date, such as here in DC you can look up online when you can expect being called for service. If your area still is in the 18th century, then move.

I'm done doing your legwork for you. Go do your own reading about this yourself. If you're so convinced this is wrong, then file your own lawsuit about t and see what happens.
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Ignorance and laziness aren't excuses.
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said by drslash

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Just remember...when you are on trial, your guilt or innocence will be decided by people who are not smart enough to get out of jury duty!

Well being "smart" has nothing to do with being able to get out of Jury Duty. Locally(County), it is close to impossible to get out of it.

For local County Common Pleas Court, you MUST appear for five days, whether you actually serve on a case(s) during that time is another thing, you can serve longer if the case you are called for runs longer.

If stating "I never got a notice" worked, it would be out there and everybody would say that.

Like voting, I consider it one of my Civic Duties.

I enjoyed the time I served, I met a lot of people that I would never have otherwise.
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I got three notices if I remember correctly, but could not serve. Twice because I was not a U.S. citizen, and one was sent to me in France, but I live in the U.S. . My dad actually received it and ignored it. Then the police came to my address in France looking for me because I never replied to the summons. My dad explained the situation and everything was fine.

I'm looking forward to receiving a summons so I can hopefully serve.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20743867 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:39:11 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20743701 insomniac84 : Such a law would definitely get overturned if challenged, but sadly the people it affects don't have the money or the time to fight it. You can't assume someone's guilt. And the post office is definitely not infallible.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20743701 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:45:18 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20743567 DC DSL :

said by insomniac84

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That is why it is best to ignore the notices. They cannot prove you got it. I've heard a few people say that in certain areas you can still get in trouble as they don't accept "I wasn't notified as an excuse." But considering this is America and not communist China, as long as you were to testify you didn't get the notice there would be no legal way to punish you.

Yes, there are legal ways to punish those who ignore a jury summons. If a jurisdiction has it on the books that their mailing it constitutes notification (regardless of whether you can swear under oath that you did not receive it), that's all there needs to be. This isn't a due process issue: jury duty is a well-known civic obligation...no citizen can claim they aren't aware of it. If you don't have a legitimate reason for being excused, that's just too bad.

We may be a free society, but it only remains so as long as everyone does their part to make it work properly. The nation wouldn't be in the mess it is today if people would stop looking for excuses for not fulfilling their obligations and responsibilities, and hold themselves as accountable for their own actions and decisions as they bellyache about the politicians and bureaucrats.
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Well, I took off of work, I got to the courthouse and gave them my name. The lady says "You can go home". umm, that's it? Yep. So I ran to the payphone (yes it was a long time ago) and called the cab company back to pick me up again. Luckily the cab was still in the area and picked me up again to drive me home. So I missed a day of work AND two cab fares for pretty much a 5 second interview. If they had told me on the phone, it would have saved me a lot of grief... and money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20741365 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:07:50 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20740974 CajunTek :

said by drslash

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Just remember...when you are on trial, your guilt or innocence will be decided by people who are not smart enough to get out of jury duty!

I am smart enough to get out of it.. I'm also smart enough to know that it is my civic duty and that I am not a freeloader on the system..
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said by dvd536

said by PhoenixDown

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I have no problem serving (I get paid by my job for jury duty) and would like to volunteer so I can serve my civic duty.

If your job didn't pay you, I bet you'd view your "civic duty" differently!

Can't speak for him, but I know I don't. When I served jury duty, I was not aware that I was going to get paid by my employer. But I did my job, and served as a juror for 5 days. When I returned back to work, I gave them the documentation and they informed me that I would still get paid for the days I was out. It was a nice surprise.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20740497 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 07:48:38 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20737999 dvd536 :

said by PhoenixDown

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I have no problem serving (I get paid by my job for jury duty) and would like to volunteer so I can serve my civic duty.

If your job didn't pay you, I bet you'd view your "civic duty" differently!
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said by ykronic

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my only complaint about jury duty really would be for X days I'm not working, and if I'm not working I'm not getting paid.
I've never looked into whether or not you're compensated for it, I would be very surprised to find that you are. And well I like getting paid.

A lot of companies compensate you for going on jury duty, usually it's 3 to 5 days depending on the company. All you need to do is bring in the jury duty paper and any checks received by the court. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20737969 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:33:14 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20737501 drslash : Just remember...when you are on trial, your guilt or innocence will be decided by people who are not smart enough to get out of jury duty!
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said by Technogeez

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Man, I'd KILL to be on a jury...

I think you'd be sitting across the room from them, dude. ;)
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What I don't like about the process is how I get a notice which says call two weeks from today, on a Friday, after 5pm, so we can tell you -IF- we -might- need you to come in to see if you -might- get picked for a jury.

Say Phoenix - we need you to come down for Jury Duty, here's our schedule, let us know what works for you and be there. That would be so much simpler wouldn't it?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20736920 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:05:45 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20735961 DC DSL : In DC, if you only are there for the one day, you get $4 toward your travel expense (most people will take public transit since parking is virtually impossible near the courthouse). If you serve longer, your daily compensation is the $4 travel fee plus $30 juror fee.
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Juror Fees

No fees or mileage are paid for the first day of service. $15 per day and 34¢ per mile, one way from the juror’s home to the courthouse are paid for second and additional days of service. Jurors employed by government agencies or districts receive regular salary during service, therefore no juror fees are paid to those jurors pursuant to provisions of the law.
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Yes, I was able to hear them loud and clear laughing at me even over the laughter I was holding back laughing at them, about to be stuck there for at least a week!!!
:D :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20735199 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:24:07 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20735157 dvd536 :

said by ykronic

Compensation is $12/day
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I've never looked into whether or not you're compensated for it, I would be very surprised to find that you are. And well I like getting paid.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20734949 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:57:03 EDT Re: [Rant] People Who Gripe About Jury Duty http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20734334 jadinolf : Also get caught up on copies of New Yorker. :D
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Warrants out for no-show jurors

July 2, 2008
WASHINGTON (AP) - The D.C. Superior Court's chief judge has issued bench warrants for almost 100 people who failed to show up for jury duty and did not appear before him to explain why.

Judge Rufus King the Third says jury duty is not voluntary, but a mandatory civic responsibility.

Those bench warrants issued Wednesday mean the people named in them can be arrested. Penalties for failure to appear for jury duty includes fines up to $300 or up to seven days in jail.

Personally, I would never evade jury duty; but then, I have a very German temperament. I don't have a terribly high opinion of those who do.
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