http://www.dslreports.com/forum/That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737102 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:33:49 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:33:49 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20745755
Set up an Xbox 360 via HDMI, and attempt to watch anything. DVD, HD-DVD, doesn't matter. The screen will stay black. Switch inputs and the picture comes in, and the flash at the bottom tells you "HDCP Secure link not found", then "HDCP secure link restored".

The devices not communicating is the root cause. The TWC box isn't doing anything wrong, it's the spec that has the issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20745755 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:57:11 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20742989 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20742989 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:07:42 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20739694 said by insomniac84:

Other connection types do not have hdcp. That is why only HDMI(which is dvi) can be effected by a terrible implementation of it. And only syncing with a device when the box is initially turned on is a flaw. Switching between inputs doesn't work with TWC's junk.(Although I wouldn't consider that a valid solution either) The fault can go multiple ways, box, tv, guide... including the cable in between too.

It's possible the TV has an issue with the HDMI signal the box puts out, even if the box signal correctly follows the HDCP spec. It's possible the TV is NOT communicating with the box correctly during the sync.

See the Fios TV thread regarding Samsung TVs and their boxes as an example...

or read this:
»utahtechinfo.com/video/hdmi.html

or this:
»www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/t···233.html

or this:
»www.avrant.com/?p=194

HDCP over HDMI is by no means perfect, even if everybody is following the same spec. Component connections are far more reliable...

Either way though, it has NOTHING to do with Tivo users not being able to use SDV.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20739694 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:20:13 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20739415 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20739415 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:11:11 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20739244 said by insomniac84:

Time Warner cable boxes are defective. If you turn the cable box on without the tv being on, the crappy hdcp doesn't sync.
i leave my Box on 24/7 no issuses with HDCP syncing up]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20739244 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:25:02 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20739127
HDMI is the culprit. In their haste to lock down the "perfect connection", issues were created with the convenience factor. It's almost better to use Component and optical so you don't have to deal with that crap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20739127 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:56:53 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20738630 said by ReVeLaTeD:

It's really an HDMI issue, not a TWC issue. No, it is a TWC issue. They give people flawed hardware. Most cable boxes do not suffer from this problem. I can't wait until the day some kind of drm screws up right in the middle of the superbowl. That might actually get people to fix things.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20738630 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:54:46 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737938 said by Cogdis:

You'll never hear FIOS say "We're totally out of bandwidth!"
Verizon has been in a major hurry to ditch the analog channels they carry on FIOS and pretty slow to add HD channels. With the current FIOS setup and design, they're limited to the same 860 Mhz RF bandwidth for TV that channels many cable providers are... so "totally out"? No, but the limitations they've run into has caused them to change their plans and look at IPTV in the not too distant future.

It's all the talk here:
»www2.dslreports.com/forum/r20347···-Markets
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Don't mind me, I'm just trying to help...
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737938 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:24:40 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737841 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737841 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:05:39 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737635
It's really an HDMI issue, not a TWC issue. The same problem happens when I watch HD-DVD or streamed movies through the 360; it'll go black and I have to switch signals back and forth before the HDCP will click in properly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737635 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:25:08 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737612 said by xenophon:

I don't have that problem with SA8300HDC.
I do. The 8300HDC is a POS.
My TivoHD NEVER has that problem.

Hopefully TWC NY will take their time with SDV. At least until FIOS is available to the city. You'll never hear FIOS say "We're totally out of bandwidth!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737612 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:21:23 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737266 said by insomniac84:

Time Warner cable boxes are defective. If you turn the cable box on without the tv being on, the crappy hdcp doesn't sync. The box will only sync up when first turned on... Same problem here, thought it was an issue with cable but realized they boxes just don't work right.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737266 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:08:13 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737231 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737231 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:01:18 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737201 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737201 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:56:10 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737120 said by insomniac84:

Time Warner cable boxes are defective. If you turn the cable box on without the tv being on, the crappy hdcp doesn't sync. The box will only sync up when first turned on. After that you have to turn the box off and back on to get your picture to show up. It basically means a universal remote with an all one button is useless. My buddy was frustrated by the sync issue and by their lack of hd channels so he dropped back to basic cable within a week. It just wasn't worth paying more for almost nothing.
WTF are you talking about?

Hob
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737120 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:37:51 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737102 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/That-is-one-hell-of-a-downgrade-20737102 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:35:00 EDT