If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20738425 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:59:39 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:59:39 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20908473 DaMaGeINC : Ya, what does uploading large files have to do with the Windows Platform?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20908473 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:42:39 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749395 veldy :
said by maartena See Profile :

None. That's why I stick with Cable, because they can. :)
But the cable companies are getting greedy and really pushing traffic shaping appliances and content sniffers as well as talking about real caps on total data transfer. So far, the DSL telcos have stayed out of that.

I have Comcast now and have already been victimized by port blocking and traffic shaping and it is getting to be a battle that requires work arounds that cost additional dollars. I am getting the QWest 20Mbps soon and will compare them side by side and for a week or two and then stick with one or the other. If I choose Qwest, I WILL miss the 2Mbps upload link that Comcast offers as uploading my pictures for printing [I am an amateur photographer], and doing file transfers to work will take more than twice as long :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20749395 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:42:02 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20741126 patcat88 :
said by Dogfather See Profile :

Gosh, if only the whiners would get together and put up $20 billion, they could build the "perfect" network instead of bitching about what everyone else isn't doing for them.
Start making physical plant being owned by non-profits that don't report to Wall Street and therefore don't have $3000 a month T1s (in a Datacenter BTW).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20741126 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:19:58 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20741113 patcat88 :
said by espaeth See Profile :

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Yeah, if only there were a technology that offered faster upstream speeds!
Name a technology that Qwest could deploy at the same or lower costs than their FTTN ADSL2+ offering that would allow those faster upstream speeds.
LMDS wireless to the home from the RT?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20741113 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:18:20 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20741101 patcat88 :
said by PolarBear See Profile :

No kidding. A much cheaper alternative would be to order two lines and connect them to a dual-WAN router. Although I'm not sure if you can max out both lines with only one connection (say, uploading a large file to a server).
A dual WAN router just doesn't cut it. I'm not sure what algorithms it uses, but I assume most websites are smart enough to not allow loading of password protected resources from 2 different IPs with the exact same cookie, or sign out the 1st IP immediately if a 2nd IP trys to access a resource. Also a dual WAN router, AFAIK, can't cut up an image into a 2 Partial transfers, buffer the image in its RAM, then once the entire image is in RAM, pretend to be an HTTP server (hijacking the existing connection) to the PC and deliver the image under 1 HTTP connection. Just tunnel it to a datacenter and ressemble the tunnels into 1 tunnel.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20741101 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:15:34 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20740128 attsbcisgay :
said by pokesph See Profile :

Maybe, just maybe, we can just bond 2 lines together.
only a pair is used... there are 2 pair or 4 wire in a phone line.
if you could utilize that yes, you can basically go from 8/1 to 80/10 and that would be practical.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20740128 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:39:19 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20739954 PolarBear : No kidding. A much cheaper alternative would be to order two lines and connect them to a dual-WAN router. Although I'm not sure if you can max out both lines with only one connection (say, uploading a large file to a server). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20739954 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:31:31 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20739691 quetwo : What exactally does Windows have to do with the size of a download? Last I checked, Linux ISOs/DVDs are pretty large too...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20739691 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:19:43 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20739200 Dogfather : Or better, give it back to the taxpayers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20739200 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:13:45 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20739060 en102 : I do remote desktop over 3Mbps/512kbps - and it works just fine. As far as uploading large files...get off Windows platform, and use Solaris/Linux/HP-UX and Java/Weblogic
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said by espaeth See Profile :

said by mikepd See Profile :

Not going to happen since true line bonding requires support at the ISP end as well as the subscriber end.
No ISP support necessary. You just need to have a box somewhere with sufficient bandwidth (ie, a server at a local data center) and establish a multilink PPP session to that.
Screw fiber to the home or DOCSIS 3.0, let's all order 2 DSL lines, co-locate a server in a data center, pay for our bandwidth there, just so we can get 1.8Mbps upstream!

Whooo!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738905 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:52:26 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738753 EPS :
said by espaeth See Profile :

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Yeah, if only there were a technology that offered faster upstream speeds!
Name a technology that Qwest could deploy at the same or lower costs than their FTTN ADSL2+ offering that would allow those faster upstream speeds.
Yes, Qwest shouldn't have to spend MORE money! God, how dare some suggest that they may be better off with a more expensive choice- haven't those unlucky enough to hold shares in Q suffered enough?

Qwest dug themselves into this pit with all their debt, but now I don't really see how they can do anything else- they simply don't have the capability to make huge expensive deployments like telecom mega-conglomerates VZ and T. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738753 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:20:02 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738736 Dogfather : Gosh, if only the whiners would get together and put up $20 billion, they could build the "perfect" network instead of bitching about what everyone else isn't doing for them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738736 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:15:43 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738656 maartena :
said by espaeth See Profile :

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Yeah, if only there were a technology that offered faster upstream speeds!
Name a technology that Qwest could deploy at the same or lower costs than their FTTN ADSL2+ offering that would allow those faster upstream speeds.
None. That's why I stick with Cable, because they can. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738656 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:58:47 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738608 espaeth :
said by vortex91 See Profile :

oh gee FTTH?
*sigh* An FTTH deployment would not be the same or lower cost to that of their FTTN deployment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738608 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:50:29 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738599 espaeth :
said by mikepd See Profile :

Not going to happen since true line bonding requires support at the ISP end as well as the subscriber end.
No ISP support necessary. You just need to have a box somewhere with sufficient bandwidth (ie, a server at a local data center) and establish a multilink PPP session to that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738599 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:49:10 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738581 Karl Bode : Juice boosted carrier pigeon?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738581 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:45:59 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738578 mikepd : Not going to happen since true line bonding requires support at the ISP end as well as the subscriber end.
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Always Reach Beyond Your Grasp]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738578 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:45:53 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738563 vortex91 : oh gee FTTH?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738563 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:42:27 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738523 PolarBear : BLASPHEMY! Shut your mouth, such evils should not be spoken of!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738523 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:33:42 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738519 espaeth :
said by pokesph See Profile :

Maybe, just maybe, we can just bond 2 lines together.
There's nothing to stop you from ordering 2 lines and doing this yourself today. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738519 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:33:02 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738508 espaeth :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Yeah, if only there were a technology that offered faster upstream speeds!
Name a technology that Qwest could deploy at the same or lower costs than their FTTN ADSL2+ offering that would allow those faster upstream speeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738508 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:31:43 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738479 pokesph : Maybe, just maybe, we can just bond 2 lines together.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738479 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:25:04 EDT Re: If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738451 Karl Bode : Yeah, if only there were a technology that offered faster upstream speeds! Gosh, we're just sunk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738451 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:19:22 EDT If only user desire trumped engineering obstacles... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738425 espaeth : Maybe if we got enough people to sign a petition we can get crosstalk considerations removed from the ADSL2+ protocol spec!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20738425 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:14:10 EDT